Abc club kings cross london

[Luca]

Hey CharliePup, no I don't expect people to do it for free, but this is just my opinion. Yes I accept that there is a minority who do it for genuine reasons maybe at a loss but there are also a lot of exploiters out there. I don't need to tell you but the amount of rip off on the internet and near me a married couple offer ab services for 500 pounds (800$) for 2 days, how can that be right? I do praise those who are genuine and I cannot comment on any single club etc as I do not know. Maybe I have got a bit of a bee in my bonnet and its something I need to put right, probably because I was exploited in some way or another for a lot of my life. I still maintain that the majority (not all) are out for as much as they can get and the ab/dl market is an ideal place to go.

Yours with respect

Simon

I'm sorry you were so used for the majority of your life, but it's rather sad that you see everyone as out to get you and use you. That's such a terribly cynical way to live. And, from my experience is totally untrue. Some people are like that, butthe majority arent. And, it is afterall better to trust and be betrayed than to mever trust anyone at all. You have my sympathies.

Btw, if you think about it for just a moment, £500 for two days work is about right. That's £250 per day, for two people (that's £125 per day @ less about £10 per hour), I'd imagine includes nappies, use of clothes, food etc. I'd never do it myself as I have no need, but to those that do, that's quite reasonable. Whether its in your price range or not however, is another thing entirely.

 

[WildRoseBaby]

The going rate of ABDL nurseries is not out to lunch. Compare the rate per hour to that of a plumber or mechanic and you are getting a bargin. Compair it to a brothel and you are getting the deal of a lifetime.

The ABC club basically sounds like a play party open to all commers. Which is a very rare thing. In general you have to know someone pretty well before you can come over and diaper up. I run a munch and have had people drive over an hour each way just to talk and have lunch. I would geuss that whatever cover charges you pay are well worth the opourtunity to meet and play with people of like mind.

 

[CharliePup]

I don't need to tell you but the amount of rip off on the internet and near me a married couple offer ab services for 500 pounds (800$) for 2 days, how can that be right?

The average full time (median) wage for the UK population in April 2012 was £12.76.

Looking for rooms at Travelodge in London (not sure of your area, sorry), the lowest price I could find for a single night was £40. Bear in mind that's ONE night, and other nights cost more, but I'll use that price to work this out.

A pack of Tena Slip Maxi (medium) (the most diapers/money from 'premium' diapers, I think) costs about £15 (some places more, some places less, but I'll use that number for now). Assuming an AB uses only 3 diapers per day (including night), which, IMHO, is pretty generous (I know I use more than that), he's using 6 diapers the whole time he's there. 7 if he's diapered before he goes home (which is the number I'll be using, because I feel that 7 is more accurate than 6).

So, for the time of the nursery employees, the cost should be (in terms of minimum wage) £12.76 x 48 = £612.48

Renting a room: £40 x 2 = £80

Diapers: (£15/24)x7 = £4.38 (huh! pretty impressed with that!)

So at the end, the grand total cost... £612.48+£80+£4.38 = £696.86

This price, of course, doesn't take into account the cost of AB clothing (which is NOT cheap) for patron's use, the cost of food/water/etc., the cost of AB furniture/toys/decoration (which they need to be competitive)...Cribs alone can run into £800. Plus the fact that a part of their house must be totally devoted to the nursery.

AB nurseries are not cheap, but I don't think they're rip-offs. In fact, if this is someone's only or main source of income, I think we can forgive a little mark-up, especially given that they won't be seeing clients 24/7.

Concern is cool, but try to do research before throwing a paddy next time

 

[pajamakitten]

The average full time (median) wage for the UK population in April 2012 was £12.76.

Looking for rooms at Travelodge in London (not sure of your area, sorry), the lowest price I could find for a single night was £40. Bear in mind that's ONE night, and other nights cost more, but I'll use that price to work this out.

A pack of Tena Slip Maxi (medium) (the most diapers/money from 'premium' diapers, I think) costs about £15 (some places more, some places less, but I'll use that number for now). Assuming an AB uses only 3 diapers per day (including night), which, IMHO, is pretty generous (I know I use more than that), he's using 6 diapers the whole time he's there. 7 if he's diapered before he goes home (which is the number I'll be using, because I feel that 7 is more accurate than 6).

So, for the time of the nursery employees, the cost should be (in terms of minimum wage) £12.76 x 48 = £612.48

Renting a room: £40 x 2 = £80

Diapers: (£15/24)x7 = £4.38 (huh! pretty impressed with that!)

So at the end, the grand total cost... £612.48+£80+£4.38 = £696.86

This price, of course, doesn't take into account the cost of AB clothing (which is NOT cheap) for patron's use, the cost of food/water/etc., the cost of AB furniture/toys/decoration (which they need to be competitive)...Cribs alone can run into £800. Plus the fact that a part of their house must be totally devoted to the nursery.

AB nurseries are not cheap, but I don't think they're rip-offs. In fact, if this is someone's only or main source of income, I think we can forgive a little mark-up, especially given that they won't be seeing clients 24/7.

Concern is cool, but try to do research before throwing a paddy next time

And then factor in how little the consumer base is for an AB nursery, yeah there may be a fair few ABs in the UK but how many of us can actually go to one for a few days? Consider that we're mostly going to be in education/work/underage then you feel that the number of people going to these places may be small compared to the number of ABs so the large costs may be partially due to the low demand meaning it would take a lot longer to regain the costs it took to set up the nursery in the first place. While they may get customers they'll never make money if they charged a small amount for a weekend's stay.

 

[timmywimmy]

The case made by Charlie and Pajama is absolutely watertight. If anything, the majority of AB nurseries undercharge. If we look from experience at the ones that last, they're almost all in London or Essex - where the people and the money mostly are. It's all about numbers. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there are fifty thousand Ab/DLs in the UK as a whole. (There might be more, but not that many more. AS a maximum, a couple of hundred thousand. And you sort of know as soon as you suggest that high a figure that it's too high.)

Break it down a little more. Forty thousand in England, ten thou spread across Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland. Of the total, let's be absurdly generous and assume that half are in a position, once a year, to visit an AB nursery without a significant other becoming suspicious or wanting to know where they've been, OR without the cost involved being crippling. ASsuming a two day stay costing £500 as the minimum - which is obviously a radical overstatement of the actual case, most visitors will go for at most a few hours - that means that England's AB nurseries are struggling for a share of just a million pounds a year (20,000 times £500). As a maximum. It sounds like a lot, but as soon as you've got ten nurseries ... the numbers start getting smaller. Because everything Charlie and Pajama said is true.

Cobra really wants it done for love, not money. I recognise the fantasy and the hope, because I share them. But in practice ... when I was in my twenties, I went to professional ladies a few times, but having arrived in their flats I found the experience uncomfortable precisely because I knew perfectly well that they were offering to baby me, not because they enjoyed it, but because I would pay for the service. (The longest I stayed was for ten minutes.) Their reasons for being willing to see me in nappies and plastic pants weren't emotional, psychological, or sexual; they were financial. I haven't made such visits since, and never will again, because I found that truth too uncomfortable. THe fantasy is a fantasy. .

Cobra: I don't know how old you are. But if you're young, the most and the sanest you can hope for is what a few of the people who post here have: life as one half of a couple, where the role of being the parent or the child switches back and forth. Jobs will have to be done to provide the money. 24/7 isn't possible, and if you want it done for love you will have to accept that sometimes you will have to be the Dad. In reality the only person who is going to provide this sort of thing for love and love alone is precisely the person whio loves you, and expects this in return.

If you really and truly want it when you want it, no questions asked and no denials brooked - put your hand in your pocket and pay for it and ignore the reality, which is that the person providing the service is trying to pay their mortgage. And don't complain about the price, or the lack of sincerity. And when you DO come across a situation like the ABC club, where the proprietor runs it at a loss because they love it - but it's mostly a sausage fest and all a bit raucous, because it's in a room under a bar and it's basically a gay club - don't go, and CERTAINLY don't complain. All of us are who we are, and a large part of this world is boy on boy. These are the facts, and there's cetainly no point in struggling against them.

 

[leffykit]

wow this got derailed fast. Frankly Im appauled by the viciousness with which such blatantly false and groundless impressions are being defended by some people here.

I agree the venue its self may not fit the bill for an AB friendly affair however Steve DOES almost litterally run ABC out of the kindness of his heart. It's rarely, if ever run at anything close to a profit and while you may get the creepy factor on your first visit (which I can attest as guilty to myself) it can be attributed to the shock of people freely displaying a side of themselves (at no point indecent) which is a societally instilled taboo. I've been numerous times and have always found the banter and atmosphere to be nothing but pleasant, though I wouldnt touch the floor were I you.

The talk of rape and sexually inclined hookups is utter rubbish, and while the membership and entry fees seem steep to those from outside London they are within going rates for private clubs in the city and more to the point barely cover the hire of the venue, let alone the cost of the padding and changing supplies generously offered.

With a social group as obscure and socially taboo as our own you cant expect a perfect fit of a venue. It IS used to host other events a podophilliac (foot fetishist) meet up and bdsm nights included. Hence the reason for not touching the floor. that said the only way you would be in any danger of sexual advances is if you turned up on the wrong week (collar'd night for example) or if you were openly and deliberately soliciting such, which is grounds for ejection.

People go to ABC to relax, unwind, socialise and for many, stretch their "little" legs as it may be the only oppertunity they get.
female attendees are uncommon, though sexual preferences really have no bearing there.

If any of that makes you uncomfortable then I'm afraid you're at the wrong social gathering and prehaps in the wrong alternative community alltogther.

 

[PaddedPuppy]

wow this got derailed fast. Frankly Im appauled by the viciousness with which such blatantly false and groundless impressions are being defended by some people here.

I agree the venue its self may not fit the bill for an AB friendly affair however Steve DOES almost litterally run ABC out of the kindness of his heart. It's rarely, if ever run at anything close to a profit and while you may get the creepy factor on your first visit (which I can attest as guilty to myself) it can be attributed to the shock of people freely displaying a side of themselves (at no point indecent) which is a societally instilled taboo. I've been numerous times and have always found the banter and atmosphere to be nothing but pleasant, though I wouldnt touch the floor were I you.

The talk of rape and sexually inclined hookups is utter rubbish, and while the membership and entry fees seem steep to those from outside London they are within going rates for private clubs in the city and more to the point barely cover the hire of the venue, let alone the cost of the padding and changing supplies generously offered.

With a social group as obscure and socially taboo as our own you cant expect a perfect fit of a venue. It IS used to host other events a podophilliac (foot fetishist) meet up and bdsm nights included. Hence the reason for not touching the floor. that said the only way you would be in any danger of sexual advances is if you turned up on the wrong week (collar'd night for example) or if you were openly and deliberately soliciting such, which is grounds for ejection.

People go to ABC to relax, unwind, socialise and for many, stretch their "little" legs as it may be the only oppertunity they get.
female attendees are uncommon, though sexual preferences really have no bearing there.

If any of that makes you uncomfortable then I'm afraid you're at the wrong social gathering and prehaps in the wrong alternative community alltogther.

Firstly I couldn't give a crap if I get banned from ADISC anymore for arguments, causing drama or whatever else. Especially on a topic like this, so I'm not going to suppress my thoughts, and publicly voice how it is in my eyes. The words I say are totally correct and truthful, it is how it is. And if I do get banned it just goes to prove Moo is only happy with what he wants (let me guess, he was born in London?) and in which case I would want nothing to do with this site anyway.

First of all, who the hell are you, to be telling anyone they are in the wrong community? wait - you're in London. Says a lot doesn't it, proving what I said about the majority of you lot being like this. So I think the majority of you lot down there are actually in the wrong community. All of you are damaging the reputation on the whole. Everyone else I have had any sort of contact with around the world has been very friendly, until I come across the London crowd. Never have I met such rude, selfish, unfriendly bullies until discovering the AB/DLs of London.

Secondly - Blatantly false and groundless things I said? Would you like to take a look at the conversation logs on my old laptops hard drive, or prefer to read my texts on my phone instead? Both have records proving people have told me its not exactly a good or safe place to go, by people who have visited a number of times, also a large amount of threats from people in London who have intentions of hurting me.

(Did I just say people? nah, animals. And I use that loosely as its disrespectful to most animals. you lot are the scum of the earth - harsh? only giving back what you gave to me. difference is I have the balls to speak publicly)

 

[pajamakitten]

I agree the venue its self may not fit the bill for an AB friendly affair however Steve DOES almost litterally run ABC out of the kindness of his heart. It's rarely, if ever run at anything close to a profit and while you may get the creepy factor on your first visit (which I can attest as guilty to myself) it can be attributed to the shock of people freely displaying a side of themselves (at no point indecent) which is a societally instilled taboo.

Problem is is that if you do find it creepy on your first time you're unlikely to want to go back and you'll tell others about you felt it was creepy (whether it is or not is a different question because different people will go on different nights and different experiences) so word spreads quickly that it may not be a great place to be. We're a small community and if one person finds themself at unease with the place then soon a lot of people may know, kind of sad perhaps but in this case one person wields a fair of power here.

 

[Luca]

Firstly I couldn't give a crap if I get banned from ADISC anymore for arguments, causing drama or whatever else. Especially on a topic like this, so I'm not going to suppress my thoughts, and publicly voice how it is in my eyes. The words I say are totally correct and truthful, it is how it is. And if I do get banned it just goes to prove Moo is only happy with what he wants (let me guess, he was born in London?) and in which case I would want nothing to do with this site anyway.

Well with this post you're going a long way towards having that dream fulfilled I'm sure!

First of all, who the hell are you, to be telling anyone they are in the wrong community? wait - you're in London. Says a lot doesn't it, proving what I said about the majority of you lot being like this. So I think the majority of you lot down there are actually in the wrong community. All of you are damaging the reputation on the whole. Everyone else I have had any sort of contact with around the world has been very friendly, until I come across the London crowd. Never have I met such rude, selfish, unfriendly bullies until discovering the AB/DLs of London.

Leffy is someone who's been to the ABC many times, which is much more than can be said for your goodself. It's totally unnecessary for your demeanour to turn so personal and verbally violent, when all she's done here is defend something she... well has at the very least a lot of respect for, if not loves.

As for the London crowd, as with most populations across a vast area, we're a diverse and differing bunch of people. I consider myself lucky enough to know a lot of them. Most of them are wonderful people, all with their foibles and idiosyncrasies (I wouldn't have it any other way), but at the same time kind, caring and most importantly, supportive. They enhance what it means to be an AB. If anyone is damaging our reputation through uneccessary flaming, and personal attacks, matey... that's you.

Secondly - Blatantly false and groundless things I said? Would you like to take a look at the conversation logs on my old laptops hard drive, or prefer to read my texts on my phone instead? Both have records proving people have told me its not exactly a good or safe place to go, by people who have visited a number of times, also a large amount of threats from people in London who have intentions of hurting me.

Well instead of staying behind closed doors, if there has indeed been instances of rape or sexual molestation, that needs to be either made public, or taken to the authorities! This all sounds highly suspicious, exaggerated and out of proportion to me. Either that, or you are hanging out in the wrong circles, but considering how you've treated everyone in this thread, perhaps not.

(Did I just say people? nah, animals. And I use that loosely as its disrespectful to most animals. you lot are the scum of the earth - harsh? only giving back what you gave to me. difference is I have the balls to speak publicly)

And putting the most insulting part of your post in brackets makes it any less insulting? I think not. I think I'm going to make an effort to avoid you, sorry.

 

[Near]

Firstly I couldn't give a crap if I get banned from ADISC anymore for arguments, causing drama or whatever else. Especially on a topic like this, so I'm not going to suppress my thoughts, and publicly voice how it is in my eyes. The words I say are totally correct and truthful, it is how it is. And if I do get banned it just goes to prove Moo is only happy with what he wants (let me guess, he was born in London?) and in which case I would want nothing to do with this site anyway.

First of all, who the hell are you, to be telling anyone they are in the wrong community? wait - you're in London. Says a lot doesn't it, proving what I said about the majority of you lot being like this. So I think the majority of you lot down there are actually in the wrong community. All of you are damaging the reputation on the whole. Everyone else I have had any sort of contact with around the world has been very friendly, until I come across the London crowd. Never have I met such rude, selfish, unfriendly bullies until discovering the AB/DLs of London.

Secondly - Blatantly false and groundless things I said? Would you like to take a look at the conversation logs on my old laptops hard drive, or prefer to read my texts on my phone instead? Both have records proving people have told me its not exactly a good or safe place to go, by people who have visited a number of times, also a large amount of threats from people in London who have intentions of hurting me.

(Did I just say people? nah, animals. And I use that loosely as its disrespectful to most animals. you lot are the scum of the earth - harsh? only giving back what you gave to me. difference is I have the balls to speak publicly)

So, here's the thing. Venting is a thing. Whistle-blowing is another thing. Expressing your dislike for a place or an area is yet another thing. You've done none of those, though. What you did is make vague accusations while taking the opportunity to indiscriminately show the finger to every ABDL that has any sort of link to the London area. Godwin's law or not there isn't anything "brave" about your post. It's just some unspecified raging at a relatively big portion of the ABDL population.

You are free to reply to this thread or to leave it be. But do so without calling all our London based members, past present and future, of being "scum". That's simply not acceptable. If you want to have a seat at the table stay civilized.

~~Near

 

[superduper]

Keeping it brief, and not getting involved in the argument, I just want to suggest to any first timers that they go with someone they know. People will certainly be friendly, but you'll surely enjoy yourself more if you go with a friend. While its a good place to meet people it isn't the best.

Recently there has also been a pre-meet in a bar or pub nearby which might be a nice introduction for a first timer.

 

[PaddedPuppy]

An Apology - Blogs - ADISC.org

 

[SuperTed]

I don't need to tell you but the amount of rip off on the internet and near me a married couple offer ab services for 500 pounds (800$) for 2 days, how can that be right?

Yours with respect

Simon

If they have willing, paying customers, who are we to call them exploiters??? Services don't come much more niche than running an AB nursery. 2 days of changing a stranger's used diapers?? Hell, you'd have to pay me a lot more than that!

 

[squashNstretch]

I went there with my GF at the time (Now wife) and we had a blast! We probably went a half dozen or so times while we were living in London. There was one creepy guy there once, but he got escorted out once people told the staff. It's not the most ABDL atmosphere that's for sure, but it hosts much more popular BDSM/etc parties the other 30 days in a month so I think that's to be expected. We are not in London anymore, but I really and truly miss that place and the people we met there.

Contrary to one posters suggestions, me nor her never had anyone attempt to rape or sexually proposition us. One of the changing tables broke once. That was an adventure

- - - Updated - - -

I've only been twice, but from my limited experiences there, I can agree with Luca!

Ha! I was with you one of those times!

 

[cuddloon]

I guess I'll jump in on this one, although I've not been down there for several years, in fact I think it will have been before the smoking ban.

Suffice to say it was usually a good night, everyone was pretty friendly, and the staff at central station were all nice helpful and welcoming, was always a bit on the warm side in the summer (no air-con) and the drinks were expensive (but it is London) also the toilets were rank to the point that padding was definitely a good idea!

More recently I did hear a bit of a troubling story in regards to some people allegedly contracting HIV from somebody associated with the place who wasn't disclosing their status. Really hope that this isn't the case, but I think such things fall down to individuals, and if people are going to go partake in grown-up activities they should be grown-up about it and make sure everyone's safe.

At the end of the day its a semi-public fetish night, and a somewhat obscure one at that, and it's made by the people who go, which as has been said is a pretty mixed bag.

Bottom line, It's not all that bad, and I might go again sometime.

 

[FoxSplash]

aint the abc club a gay club and in the basement there all older men allso to say why i say its for older men is becouse one one of my teachers walked into there cought in the act not that i was follwing him i was just geting coffee and snacks from my dad's office which is the guardian building which is near and i was geting yummy stuff with dillan. but there some really dodgey people near kings cross station i just didnt like eating in my coliage lmao btw if you want to go to the abc club eat at wagama in the angel islington its a 10 min walk and there a few nice places to eat around there i know as i nearly went there every day and if u big fan of mas they have a M.A.S there so u can bring nice bits to the abc club ^^

 

[wizardrincewind]

i hope i can finally get some time off work to visit the club even if its just to see

 

[philder74]

Hey CharliePup, no I don't expect people to do it for free, but this is just my opinion. Yes I accept that there is a minority who do it for genuine reasons maybe at a loss but there are also a lot of exploiters out there. I don't need to tell you but the amount of rip off on the internet and near me a married couple offer ab services for 500 pounds (800$) for 2 days, how can that be right? I do praise those who are genuine and I cannot comment on any single club etc as I do not know. Maybe I have got a bit of a bee in my bonnet and its something I need to put right, probably because I was exploited in some way or another for a lot of my life. I still maintain that the majority (not all) are out for as much as they can get and the ab/dl market is an ideal place to go.

Yours with respect

Simon

Read up on the economic principle of "opportunity cost". The room(s) being used for the nursery service could generate income far more easily were it to be rented out for another purpose, be it another "niche" activity (e.g BDSM dungeon or just plain escorting), or the far more likely scenario of having a lodger, both of which will have greater demand than the ABDL service. The lower demand means the room has a far greater chance of standing empty, so the price charged when it is used is higher in order to compensate for the fact it could be making more money being put to a different use. On a more basic level, if it's a service in a private house, they are fully entitled to charge whatever they please. The price will also act as a vetting process. If you think £500 is extreme, I'll simply ask what price you'd accept to allow a total stranger into your house for two days? What's your benchmark and how have you arrived at it?

 

[Starchild]

I've been to the ABC club twice, Its not to bad if you are with a group of people but I would have felt uncomfortable going on my own. it is a bit dungeony but then you have to remember the room is not specifically for AB play, its used by other clubs during the week. I would like to know what all this dodgy activity and scary people stuff is all about, OK there was one moment i felt a bit nervous at, when some guy came down the stairs and was looking for sex, but Steve just told him to go away and he did. It's such a surreal environment really, I never imagined being in a bar dressed up in my baby clothes with nobody taking the piss, probably taking a piss! I even had someone compliment me on my bib, he seemed rather fond of my bib! but was not overly pushy or anything just being freindly, well that's how i saw it. I quite enjoyed it really, it hardly seems worth dressing up as a baby when there is nobody to admire you and compliment how cute you look! So its a good place to show of your baby clothes! but make sure you dont drop your dummy on the floor! But seriously what is all this stuff about people spreading rumours that are turning people against you, to the point where you feel they might attack you, what is it you did or said that is so bad?