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So let me start off by saying that I'm film student who's become very interested in documentaries in the past few months. And an ABDL doc probably isn't something I would do. But have fantasized about.

We all know there've been AB's on TV documentary series, and they're NOT a good representation of our community. Naturally, the media wants people who take it to the extreme for exploitation.
If I were to make a documentary about our odd fetish/lifestyles I would not want to exploit anyone. I would like to inform others that there are some successful and seemingly normal people who like to act like toddlers every so often, not someone who lets their fetish consume their life. Even more importantly, I would show that there are people who accept us, whether it's a close friend, family member, or a partner/spouse who loves us whether we're being big or little.
The participants would of course be able to tell their story, and their little side would be caught on video in a more creative way than seen on TV. Regression wouldn't be seen as something negative, but it wouldn't be glorified either.

So why wouldn't I do this?
To put it simply, it would raise a lot of questions about me. There's only one person outside our community that knows about my little side. This part of me would be exposed because my last doc, and the one I'm currently have to with things that are part of my life (visual impairment and art).

So, any thoughts? Given the opportunity, would you make a short documentary to help shed some of the social stigma that comes with ABDLism?
 
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It'd be nice to have correct information, and not the whole AB/DL community shown as freaks.
 

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I have spent quite a bit of time in the film and television industry myself. I have long considered the idea of producing a documentary closely tied to the community, and it has really been on my mind for the last couple of months. I also share your concern about how it would reflect on me.

The quality of the programs that have already done obviously leaves a lot to be desired. So there is, in my mind, a lot of room for a well produced documentary. It is my belief that if the focus were more on regression and if the picture were painted in a positive manner that it would be a worthwhile documentary.

i wonder if it could be pulled off in a manner where there is less of a focus on AB/DL while keeping a relatively broad scope. Perhaps starting with early childhood development and the inevitable connection.

Fantasy for me as well but I would love to be able to tell the story of discovery as it relates to myself and others. If I were not so afraid of others finding out, but then maybe this is another thing that could be explored.
 

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Perhaps this needs the "community film project" approach: Educate people on the basics of shooting video, how to appear anonymous if necessary, etc., give them some basic guidelines or even have a rough narrative that people sign up to do parts of, and then go! Well... and then somebody has to edit it. :)
 

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I feel that I could partake/assist in a documentary like this and explain it perfectly... but that still doesn't mean the world will understand.
 

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Perhaps this needs the "community film project" approach: Educate people on the basics of shooting video, how to appear anonymous if necessary, etc., give them some basic guidelines or even have a rough narrative that people sign up to do parts of, and then go! Well... and then somebody has to edit it. :)

Interesting idea, not sure how well it would work out though.

Maybe this is just one of those things that someone does and the possible damage to reputation be damned. If the documentary is compelling and even touching enough it might not even matter that it deals with a highly stigmatized subject.

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I feel that I could partake/assist in a documentary like this and explain it perfectly... but that still doesn't mean the world will understand.

This is why the project would need to be approached much like painting a picture or even writing a book. Understanding and connections can be drawn making a foundation, then it is a matter of building on that foundation bit by bit.
 

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Some people spend their free time doing recreational drugs, some people spend their free time consuming alcoholic beverages. I think we in this community are helping to liberate human sexuality from the societal norms of the nineteenth century.
 

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Honestly, this is a great idea. The only problem is putting it into practice, and I feel the biggest potential cause is finding enough people who are willing to out themselves to the general public. Then, if and when you find them, making sure you get a diverse enough picture to avoid incorrect stereotypes.

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In case there was any misreading of my last post, I would love a documentary that neither mocked us nor sensationalized us.
 

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The main problem I have had with the documentaries I've seen is that they aren't about AB/DLs in general; they're about ONE single (sometimes very weird) AB/DL... It would be great to get a really wide variety of AB/DLs to deconstruct and identify the various components of AB/DL-ism.

I think a good documentary should start by explaining the "pure and innocent" side of being a "little kid" inside and what that means to various people on the emotional level (because I think that's where it would be easiest to gain public understanding, sympathy and tolerance), explaining the psychological needs that an AB might have... before going on to more "explicit" matters like using diapers and other items, the pure-DL fetish side, and those who live a "full time" fantasy (versus those who merely wear 24/7 but resist the urge to live a fantasy life 24/7).

It should show interviews with those who don't wear diapers, those who wear secretly once every week or two, and others who wear more often, as well as people at various stages of "public openness" -- those who have told no one, those who have told a partner, those who aren't "out" as such but don't hide their childish behaviour or diaper-wearing, and those who don't care who knows.

And, trying to "bring together" (at least to some extent) the disparate viewpoints of the interviewees, there should be a number of psychologists offering their differing opinions as to what might motivate someone to act or think in the ways shown. Why is the infantile mindset appealing? Why are diapers appealing? What experience are AB/DLs trying to recreate? What do caretakers get (if anything) out of looking after an AB? What are they looking for in an AB? What determines the age that someone's interest is sparked? What similarities and differences are there between the way a child is attached to a teddy bear, versus an AB?

So, yeah. My documentary would be about diversity -- in AB/DLs and in professional opinion. And, rather than focus entirely on the behaviours of AB/DLs, it would consider the mindset and psychological drives behind the behaviours.

And the title would not contain the words, "embarrassing, weird, strange, odd, unusual, bizarre, diapers, fetish, addiction, obsession, compulsion" or anything cringe-worthy or sounding like cheap prejudicial tabloid gutter journalism.
 

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The main problem I have had with the documentaries I've seen is that they aren't about AB/DLs in general; they're about ONE single (sometimes very weird) AB/DL... It would be great to get a really wide variety of AB/DLs to deconstruct and identify the various components of AB/DL-ism.

I think a good documentary should start by explaining the "pure and innocent" side of being a "little kid" inside and what that means to various people on the emotional level (because I think that's where it would be easiest to gain public understanding, sympathy and tolerance), explaining the psychological needs that an AB might have... before going on to more "explicit" matters like using diapers and other items, the pure-DL fetish side, and those who live a "full time" fantasy (versus those who merely wear 24/7 but resist the urge to live a fantasy life 24/7).

It should show interviews with those who don't wear diapers, those who wear secretly once every week or two, and others who wear more often, as well as people at various stages of "public openness" -- those who have told no one, those who have told a partner, those who aren't "out" as such but don't hide their childish behaviour or diaper-wearing, and those who don't care who knows.

And, trying to "bring together" (at least to some extent) the disparate viewpoints of the interviewees, there should be a number of psychologists offering their differing opinions as to what might motivate someone to act or think in the ways shown. Why is the infantile mindset appealing? Why are diapers appealing? What experience are AB/DLs trying to recreate? What do caretakers get (if anything) out of looking after an AB? What are they looking for in an AB? What determines the age that someone's interest is sparked? What similarities and differences are there between the way a child is attached to a teddy bear, versus an AB?

So, yeah. My documentary would be about diversity -- in AB/DLs and in professional opinion. And, rather than focus entirely on the behaviours of AB/DLs, it would consider the mindset and psychological drives behind the behaviours.

And the title would not contain the words, "embarrassing, weird, strange, odd, unusual, bizarre, diapers, fetish, addiction, obsession, compulsion" or anything cringe-worthy or sounding like cheap prejudicial tabloid gutter journalism.

Well said, Tiny!
I agree that diversity in this subject manner would very important.
 

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The problem is that you are never going to satisfy everyone with an AB/DL documentary no matter what you do, by being diverse about who is in the documentary you do stand a chance however. Now while getting a "normal" AB/DL to appear in it (which would satisfy mostly everyone) is slim unless you were to black out their face and change their voice but it might be a good idea to use posts from here and other AB/DL sites and use them to explain what an AB/DL generally is and how others feel about what it means to be an AB/DL so instead of following one AB/DL around while they live their lives you could look at a number of aspects to avoid pigeon-holing us into a group of identical people.
 

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I doubt there has ever been a documentary in the history of the world that delivers a message everyone agrees with. Any goal for an ABDL documentary should be realistic; we are not changing our culture's broad disdain for our fetish/lifestyle in one day. However, I do believe that a well-done documentary could help improve our images as far as more open minded people go. That is assuming that people actually watch the documentary which is a separate issue.

As far as finding people, I think that we overestimate the difficulty. The generally perception is that the vast majority of ABDLs would not be willing risk outing themselves or being shown in a way that misrepresents them. Those that would be willing to go out on this are much more likely to be weird or extremists (and I have no problem with either weird or extremist ABDLs but they usually don't do a great PR job for us). However, if you consider the thousands of ABDLs out there, I am absolutely positive that you could find at least five normal, respectable people to agree to help. And really five is about all you would need. Not to toot my own horn, but I find myself to be incredibly normal and I would very likely help out with something like this if I knew that the person filming was ABDL and had the right intentions. All you really need is to 1) not care what people think and 2) have good job security. I think there a few normal ABDLs out there that could fit both these criteria.
 

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I would like to see a sort of documentary done like "Human Centipede" where a mad doctor captures hapless older teens and turns them into teen/adult babies. Under his control they crawl on the floor aimlessly, and their diapers are pinned together, one diapered baby pinned to the next, and the next, and so on. Eventually, they all die from lack of nurturing.

I suspect the general public would rather see this than all of us explaining ourselves. The thing is, the public is not interested in understanding us. They won't identify with us, and they would just think us weird as they always do. You might dissuade a few people, but not many. The project seems like a good idea from our perspective, but it's an idealist viewpoint at best. The general public will never understand us. My feeling is to just avoid those who can't identify with us. The good part is that we have each other, and we can nurture each other, especially on this site. I think adisc is as good as it gets.

By the way, the human diapered centipede is just a joke. It strikes me as funny, anyway....teehee.
 

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It does sound very interesting, you know. Just thought I'd stake my viewpoint :) Even if the general public isn't very interested, that doesn't stop a minority from beginning to understand. Anyway, there is another thing to gain from having a Documentary done about us: we could learn quite a lot about ourselves in general, as in this side of us being seen from another viewpoint.
 

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Well, I am very interested in doing this project. I can do HD video and the works with adobe premiere. We would need to have a project leader, assign tasks, and really get organized to do it right. I really think I can write something fairly well on this topic.
 

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I...would be quite willing to be filmed in such a documentary. I think out would be a great idea if it were ever to be put in motion.

A wide variety of AB's, from the age player and DL side of the spectrum to the non sexual regressive little side of the spectrum.From full time lifestylers to those who seldomly indulge. It would be great to amplify the fact that, while we share a similar lifestyle/kink, we're all different in how we live.
 

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The main problem I have had with the documentaries I've seen is that they aren't about AB/DLs in general; they're about ONE single (sometimes very weird) AB/DL... It would be great to get a really wide variety of AB/DLs to deconstruct and identify the various components of AB/DL-ism.

I think a good documentary should start by explaining the "pure and innocent" side of being a "little kid" inside and what that means to various people on the emotional level (because I think that's where it would be easiest to gain public understanding, sympathy and tolerance), explaining the psychological needs that an AB might have... before going on to more "explicit" matters like using diapers and other items, the pure-DL fetish side, and those who live a "full time" fantasy (versus those who merely wear 24/7 but resist the urge to live a fantasy life 24/7).

It should show interviews with those who don't wear diapers, those who wear secretly once every week or two, and others who wear more often, as well as people at various stages of "public openness" -- those who have told no one, those who have told a partner, those who aren't "out" as such but don't hide their childish behaviour or diaper-wearing, and those who don't care who knows.

And, trying to "bring together" (at least to some extent) the disparate viewpoints of the interviewees, there should be a number of psychologists offering their differing opinions as to what might motivate someone to act or think in the ways shown. Why is the infantile mindset appealing? Why are diapers appealing? What experience are AB/DLs trying to recreate? What do caretakers get (if anything) out of looking after an AB? What are they looking for in an AB? What determines the age that someone's interest is sparked? What similarities and differences are there between the way a child is attached to a teddy bear, versus an AB?

So, yeah. My documentary would be about diversity -- in AB/DLs and in professional opinion. And, rather than focus entirely on the behaviours of AB/DLs, it would consider the mindset and psychological drives behind the behaviours.

And the title would not contain the words, "embarrassing, weird, strange, odd, unusual, bizarre, diapers, fetish, addiction, obsession, compulsion" or anything cringe-worthy or sounding like cheap prejudicial tabloid gutter journalism.

Yea I would agree that the diversity needs to be addressed. I would take the approach of a journey, building on simple causation all principals and go from there. Properly executed the viewer would understand how the interviewees had come to be as they are. It would help to overcome one of the biggest objections / concerns which is basically the use of the diapers.

I really do believe such a project has strong merit and I would personally be willing to endeavor into such a production, heck this has been on my mind for years. Financial backing and, for me, the ability to survive financially should things not go well, would be very big considerations.

Perhaps some day.

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The problem is that you are never going to satisfy everyone with an AB/DL documentary no matter what you do, by being diverse about who is in the documentary you do stand a chance however. Now while getting a "normal" AB/DL to appear in it (which would satisfy mostly everyone) is slim unless you were to black out their face and change their voice but it might be a good idea to use posts from here and other AB/DL sites and use them to explain what an AB/DL generally is and how others feel about what it means to be an AB/DL so instead of following one AB/DL around while they live their lives you could look at a number of aspects to avoid pigeon-holing us into a group of identical people.

Sure there will be some that disagree with whatever approach is taken but as long as members of the community are not exploited the risks are relatively small.

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I doubt there has ever been a documentary in the history of the world that delivers a message everyone agrees with. Any goal for an ABDL documentary should be realistic; we are not changing our culture's broad disdain for our fetish/lifestyle in one day. However, I do believe that a well-done documentary could help improve our images as far as more open minded people go. That is assuming that people actually watch the documentary which is a separate issue.

As far as finding people, I think that we overestimate the difficulty. The generally perception is that the vast majority of ABDLs would not be willing risk outing themselves or being shown in a way that misrepresents them. Those that would be willing to go out on this are much more likely to be weird or extremists (and I have no problem with either weird or extremist ABDLs but they usually don't do a great PR job for us). However, if you consider the thousands of ABDLs out there, I am absolutely positive that you could find at least five normal, respectable people to agree to help. And really five is about all you would need. Not to toot my own horn, but I find myself to be incredibly normal and I would very likely help out with something like this if I knew that the person filming was ABDL and had the right intentions. All you really need is to 1) not care what people think and 2) have good job security. I think there a few normal ABDLs out there that could fit both these criteria.

Finding ABDLs that are not already out might be more of a challenge than you would think. We are talking about stigmas, social and possibly even economic isolation if things were to go wrong. We now live in a culture of employers, and prospective employers, screening for every possible objection. Those of us who work for a living or have careers that are dependent upon reputation are far less likely to let the works know that we might like to wear diapers, not to mention using them. In my estimation this significantly reduces the pool.

I don't believe such a project would be very successful from all or most of the participants being anonymous, however a couple of anonymous participants might be fine.

Given enough time I suspect we could find enough of the right participants however this would increase production time and costs. Still we would have challenges with the teen and younger group no matter what.
 
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