A Lou Dobbs commentary on the proposed amnesty bill

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i received this link in an e-mail a few days ago, and I thought it was interesting, and outrageous. I think the proposals in this bill are absolutely beyond belief. tell me what you think.

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i am all for the proposals in this bill. America is meant to be the beacon light for freedom, and justice to the world, all must stand an equal chance of becoming citizens. Quite frankly all this bill can do is strengthen our ties with both nations and help further our economy..
Ricky i got news for you.. this country was founded by immigrants, it is only the greatest nation in the world because of our culture that is the sum of its parts. The united states has TWO "official languages". I personally find white conservatives going nuts over the fact that People form other nations want the things we have, worse yet these people are willing to work themselves to the bone for it.
 

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There is a legal way to come here and enjoy the benefits of living in the U.S.. Many thousands have immigrated here from all over the world legally, and the notion that the 12-20 million (million) that decided that they would just "come on down" without going through the same channels places an unfair burden on EVERYONE. Every civilized country in the world (and a few uncivilized ones, too) have immigration laws and procedures to join their societies. It's not unreasonable to expect that people follow a process to come here.

I'm not suggesting that every illegal alien be deported and barred from entry, but some sort of process is needed to lawfully assimilate them into our society, sorting out the undesirables that are criminals in their home countries and here, and allowing the others to have a way to correct their past misdeeds and move forward.
 

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It's official our government is insane. America doesn't have the resources to be the life boat of the world anymore. Legal immigration is a great thing but illegal immigration can't be controlled so it needs to be stopped. We need to build fences across both borders and require background checks to cross the borders going both ways leaving our country and entering it.
 

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When immigrants get citizenship they are just as much a citizen as anyone else. Expanding the process of legal immigration is such a necessary and obvious way to create jobs and reduce the resources (or use them to greater effect) that are applied to illegal immigration. And never mind Lou Dobbs. I watch him a lot to snicker at; mostly he is there to rail at anything handy, to sensationalize. I just recently saw the very first entire ep of his with views that made sense; sure enough H311 is all frozen over.
 

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all must stand an equal chance of becoming citizens.
And all do. All this bill will do is let people who come here illegally become citizens. This helps NO one at all asides maybe providing comedic relief for the rest of the world to make fun of America even more. Anyways I don't expect you to really understand whats going on in America, after all your are in Canada.

I'll be sure to inform the illegals to go to your house/city since your clearly in support of them.
 

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We need to build fences across both borders and require background checks to cross the borders going both ways leaving our country and entering it.
Pfft. Good luck trying to pay for that. Yea, fences don't work that well either. On an episode of Bullshit they had a small team of Mexicans try to climb over a to-scale replica of the fence you have partialy covering the Mexican boarder. The first team were able to get over the fence in ten minutes. The second team was able to get through the fence in 20. And the third team was able to get under in 30.

But those Canadians on your Northern boarder. Whoo-wee, you really gotta watch out for them. Always trying to sneak into your country and whatnot...

... And, apparenlty, US citizens when re entering their country have to be finger-printed EVER TIME by American customs. Or is that just in my area? Either way, I think you're government is obsessed with destroying the tourism industry in Canada.
 

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And all do. All this bill will do is let people who come here illegally become citizens. This helps NO one at all asides maybe providing comedic relief for the rest of the world to make fun of America even more. Anyways I don't expect you to really understand whats going on in America, after all your are in Canada.

I'll be sure to inform the illegals to go to your house/city since your clearly in support of them.
I am in the Us, all these people want to do is live a happy life.. here... in the US and have the rights we do, clean water, etc. If you lived in an impoverished country such as Mexico... and there was the US... staring at you... wouldnt you do the same thing?
You were born a citizen, some folks aren't so lucky. It also takes money to become a citizen, and these people are flocking here for that exact reason, they dont have any.
 

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I am in the Us, all these people want to do is live a happy life.. here... in the US and have the rights we do, clean water, etc. If you lived in an impoverished country such as Mexico... and there was the US... staring at you... wouldnt you do the same thing?
You were born a citizen, some folks aren't so lucky. It also takes money to become a citizen, and these people are flocking here for that exact reason, they dont have any.
I would much rather work in my own country then runaway from all my problems and cause problems for another nation. I will be fine if Mexico said "Hey can you help us get our act together and make us a good country again."

That's much more helpful then letting ANYONE come in and out as they please and making them legal citizens at the same time.
 

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I am in the Us, all these people want to do is live a happy life.. here... in the US and have the rights we do, clean water, etc. If you lived in an impoverished country such as Mexico... and there was the US... staring at you... wouldnt you do the same thing?
You were born a citizen, some folks aren't so lucky. It also takes money to become a citizen, and these people are flocking here for that exact reason, they dont have any.
Do you think it is impossible for them to create these things in their own countries? Are they so unpatriotic that they wouldn't fight to build what they have into what they want? That is what we have done here. Aside from the American Indians we ALL are immigrants, and our forefathers came here legally (most likely, I know mine did) and then they worked their asses off to create what we have today. The illegals are opportunists that are looking for the "easier way" rather than staying and taking the harder path which is fighting the negative forces in their home countries and creating their own version of what we have here. Their Governments have the same abilities as ours to create the environment for growth and (relative) prosperity that we have here.
 

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Thats the "Not my problem attitude" that gets nothing done
 
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... And, apparenlty, US citizens when re entering their country have to be finger-printed EVER TIME by American customs. Or is that just in my area? Either way, I think you're government is obsessed with destroying the tourism industry in Canada.
...no.

We do not have to be fingerprinted. That is only for people coming into the country.

And if people want to go to Canada, they would fly into Toronto or Montreal.
 

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Thats the "Not my problem attitude that gets nothing done"
Ummm didn't I pretty much state Mexico hasn't asked us for help. Hell if ANY country asks the US for help they will most likely receive it unless they are under communist rule or suspected of harboring some of the most wanted terrorists in the world.

Also letting people come in for nothing also won't get anything done either. Tell me how making someone a citizen as soon as they cross the boarder helps our country out at all.
 
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Do you think it is impossible for them to create these things in their own countries? Are they so unpatriotic that they wouldn't fight to build what they have into what they want? That is what we have done here. Aside from the American Indians we ALL are immigrants, and our forefathers came here legally (most likely, I know mine did) and then they worked their asses off to create what we have today. The illegals are opportunists that are looking for the "easier way" rather than staying and taking the harder path which is fighting the negative forces in their home countries and creating their own version of what we have here. Their Governments have the same abilities as ours to create the environment for growth and (relative) prosperity that we have here.
Of course your ignoring the natural resources and many other things that made/makes america prosperous. It's not just a manner of "fighting for it".

And if people want to go to Canada, they would fly into Toronto or Montreal.
Makes it harder to smuggle weed, or bring back beer if you fly.

Tell me how making someone a citizen as soon as they cross the boarder helps our country out at all.
Well tell us who is seriously proposing that option and there may be reason to address this gross mischaracterization.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PYF...eo-detail/lou-dobbs-on-amnesty-bill/838353024
Oh and a link to the source video, may I point out when it was added. Hence my remarks.
 
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...no.

We do not have to be fingerprinted. That is only for people coming into the country.

And if people want to go to Canada, they would fly into Toronto or Montreal.
Sorry, I meant via road through the US Canadian boarder.
 

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Pfft. Good luck trying to pay for that. Yea, fences don't work that well either. On an episode of Bullshit they had a small team of Mexicans try to climb over a to-scale replica of the fence you have partialy covering the Mexican boarder. The first team were able to get over the fence in ten minutes. The second team was able to get through the fence in 20. And the third team was able to get under in 30.

But those Canadians on your Northern boarder. Whoo-wee, you really gotta watch out for them. Always trying to sneak into your country and whatnot...

... And, apparenlty, US citizens when re entering their country have to be finger-printed EVER TIME by American customs. Or is that just in my area? Either way, I think you're government is obsessed with destroying the tourism industry in Canada.
I didn't say It would be cheap nothing is any more. But we need to try something what little we are doing now isn't working. and i say both borders because threats to our country can come across either border. In fact the people that caused 9/11 came across from your country's border. I didn't say the threat was from the Canadian citizens. But we at lest have to try to protect ourselves.
 
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I didn't say It would be cheap nothing is any more. But we need to try something what little we are doing now isn't working. and i say both borders because threats to our country can come across either border. In fact the people that caused 9/11 came across from your country's border. I didn't say the threat was from the Canadian citizens. But we at lest have to try to protect ourselves.
Actually no, do your research buddy. That's a complete and total MYTH, learn what your talking about before spouting off such ignorances. Not one of the hijackers were in Canada. They entered the U.S., they trained in the U.S. and all had valid U.S. visas. Canada has NOTHING to do with it! It seriously pisses me off when people say this, it was a failure in your own countries security, not ours.
 

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Of course your ignoring the natural resources and many other things that made/makes america prosperous. It's not just a manner of "fighting for it".
Granted, the way I stated it was a simplified view for the purposes of expediency, but, that being said, Mexico (only for example, I think the general idea can be expanded to other countries) has many, if not all of the natural resources that we have available here. Oil, Coal, Natural Gas, Iron ore and available non-arid land for agriculture are all present(to name a few). The main reason we have so much is primarily due to geographic size. These Central American countries also have a tropical environment that is unavailable to us, enabling them to produce foods and materials that we cannot. I'm not stating that they have an underutilized utopia there, but its not that far removed from what our forefathers were presented, challenges and difficulties included.
 
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It's still not a matter of them simply being too lazy to clean up their own country. Most illegal immigrants work a hell of a lot harder then you and most americans, for less pay to boot. They want to give their families a chance that they can't get in mexico. Do you think people are poor in mexico because they're sitting on their ass, or they just have no ambition?

Illegal immigration IS a problem, but so is the U.S. immigration process. Building a fence, or trying to deport that massive amount of people is naive, and bluntly insane. Amnesty is not the option, but something needs to be done.
 

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These Central American countries also have a tropical environment that is unavailable to us, enabling them to produce foods and materials that we cannot.
I forgot Florida and Hawaii are not US states and Puerto Rico is all but a state.
 
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