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    When you feel restless? When you can't get to sleep and you've exausted all your options and eliminated causes of sleeplessness such as not drinking caffine, not playing media of any kind before bed, and even going so far as to use a natural or chemical sleep aid? Sometimes I think that the true cause of my sleeplessness is nothing but one thing.... not being able to stop thinking so much. My brain keeps me up EVEN LATER if I don't drink caffine or play video games or music or what have you... I feel like my generation has the want- no NEED to be entertained. What do you guys do when you just can't stop thinking and you toss and turn?

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    I get this quite a lot. The main thing which works for me is exercise & fresh air during the day. Working out right before bed just makes your mind too alert and doesn't allow you to wind down, but if I have a really active morning and/or afternoon then I always seem to be able to relax, and thus get off to sleep much more easily. I also take sleeping tablets - though not that regularly, just if I'm having a particularly bad patch or know there's something happening the following day which I'm likely to be stressing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanch View Post
    I get this quite a lot. The main thing which works for me is exercise & fresh air during the day. Working out right before bed just makes your mind too alert and doesn't allow you to wind down, but if I have a really active morning and/or afternoon then I always seem to be able to relax, and thus get off to sleep much more easily. I also take sleeping tablets - though not that regularly, just if I'm having a particularly bad patch or know there's something happening the following day which I'm likely to be stressing about.
    I excercise frequently, so maybe I need to revert to sleeping tablets every so often. One called "Sominex" I think, was always particularly effective for me but I never had it again just because I never remember to get it if I'm at the store with my dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Premetheus View Post
    I excercise frequently, so maybe I need to revert to sleeping tablets every so often. One called "Sominex" I think, was always particularly effective for me but I never had it again just because I never remember to get it if I'm at the store with my dad.
    Mustn't be that then, although I do know exercise is beneficial for sleeping. I'm on Zopiclone which was pretty easy to get a prescription for from my doctor, once I explained I was sleeping badly in patches. I don't know enough about the U.S. healthcare system to know if it's easy to get hold of over there, but I've found it helpful and not had any bad side-effects from it.

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    I'm up at 5 a.m. to go for my morning run, so I totally crash at the end of the day. Melatonin and valerian are supposed to work well. I've gone with valerian a couple of times, however, I don't want to take anything on a long term basis.

    The end of the day is usually the only time I have to read, so I always read before I go to bed which helps.

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    I do pretty much what everyone says you shouldn't. I put on a movie/TV show/something that I've seen a bazillion times. I think it gives my brain something familiar to focus on which shuts out any "new" thoughts that would actually keep me awake. Even if I conciously try to watch whatever it is I put on, I'll be out in like 15 mins.

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    I'm an insomniac so I've got the same problem buddy, unless I'm super short on sleep I can only catch 4-5 hours a night max naturally and that's only when I don't have to get up for something. I can't complain too much as I've got used to operating on very little sleep so it doesn't mess with my life all that much.

    However, I do have a list of things that can help:
    - First, no caffeine six+ hours before you're planning on going to bed, caffeine has a half life of 5-6 hours in most adults and since most people dose high with caffeine, they will usually have a significant amount of caffeine in their system as they go to bed. (If you drink 3 cups of coffee or 240mg caffeine at 8am, you will still have roughly 1.5 cups of coffee or 120mg caffeine keeping you awake at 8pm)
    - Diphenhydramine (benadryl) - take ~40 minutes before bedtime. It's got a biological half-life of 8.53.2 hours so I don't recommend it unless you can sleep in as you will feel 'off' in the morning, especially if you take over 50mg. By far the easiest and cheapest OTC sleep aid, but use caution as it will potentiate other central nervous system depressants.
    - THC - depends on the person whether this will help them get to sleep, but if you are going for it's sleep aid effects, smoke a low to medium amount for your tolerance.
    - Alprazolam (and other benzodiazepines) - very good at helping you get to sleep, not recommended for people who sleepwalk though. Sublingual administration of a small dose (.5mg alprazolam, 5mg valium) and I will fall asleep within an hour lying in bed. It's important to note that these drugs can be habit forming, as well as the fact that medium to large doses will disrupt your sleep cycle instead of engaging it.
    - Delta sleep inducing peptide - relatively expensive and hard to find, but generates natural-feeling sleepiness within 15min of administration. Great for resetting your circadian rhythms and not (in my experience) habit forming. No long term studies have been done on its effects in the human body, so long term usage is risky.
    - Phenibut - not so great at helping you get to sleep, but there's nothing better at helping you stay asleep. An oral dose of .5g-1g (any more than that has not been studied enough) 4 hours before bed will eliminate any tossing, turning and waking up throughout the night without leaving you in a fog the next morning. Note that it can be habit forming, so it's best to use it for three days on, three days off. I only use it on the weekends to recover the sleep I lost throughout the week.
    - Zolpidem (ambien) - I really do not like Ambien. I've had a prescription for it a few times and at least for me, it would wake me up right as the effects wore off. (~4 hours after administration) I also observed hallucinations and a relatively heavy body load after using it. It's supposed to selectively bind to a1 subunit of GABAa but it also seems to muck about in the histamine receptors, which would explain the hallucinations and body load. If it works for you, great, but it does not work well for me, but it will usually get you to sleep.
    - Valerian root - Not strong enough for me on it's own, but a capsule of valerian root combined with THC is my anti-insomnia routine most days. Doesn't work the greatest, but also does not produce any noticeable side effects.

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    Have you tried Mindfullness meditiation? There are some meditations that are specifically designed to help you pull away from the conveyer belt of thoughts and redirect your attention to your breathing, specifically for going to sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starrunner View Post
    I'm up at 5 a.m. to go for my morning run, so I totally crash at the end of the day. Melatonin and valerian are supposed to work well. I've gone with valerian a couple of times, however, I don't want to take anything on a long term basis.

    The end of the day is usually the only time I have to read, so I always read before I go to bed which helps.
    I will say that if you want success with melatonin you have to take it regularly, according to my sleep doctor. Melatonin is what regulates our sleep cycle and gets depleted from bright lights and displays because our brains confuse it for the Sun, just taking Melatonin every once in a while won't work, to see improvement with it you need to take it an hour before bed at the same time every day. It's relatively cheap, CVS sells high count bottles of varying doses for like $10-$20.

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    I dont think people should be relying on meds to sleep unless you need medication and suffer from side effects. I personally work nights shifts and sleeping during the day can be such a pain. I get woken up by the brightness of my room which i havent been able to fix entirely, or by the noise outside. Every now and then i wont be able to nap before work which is my first sign of having a bad night. if youre not getting tired even though your exercising during the day then maybe your body has adapted to a less than 8 hour rest schedule, im at the point now where i dont sleep more than 5 hours in a row thanks to my shifts now. about once or twice a week ill be able to sleep 8-10 hours fairly easily, though i tend to wake up briefly even then.

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