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    Is your state going to try and nullify Obamacare? Kentucky is!

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    Is your state wasting taxpayer money to pursue a lost cause? Kentucky is!

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    Considering the Supreme Court has found Obamacare constitutional the fact that people in a state government are even having this discussion shows that they don't have their priorities straight.

    Nullification has no legal basis. At best its a fantasy, at worst its a waste of public money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Near View Post
    Considering the Supreme Court has found Obamacare constitutional the fact that people in a state government are even having this discussion shows that they don't have their priorities straight.

    Nullification has no legal basis. At best its a fantasy, at worst its a waste of public money.
    Remains to be seen. The portion found to be "Constitutional" was requiring people to buy something they didn't want by calling it a tax.

    Obamacare is a huge document. There are a lot of other facets that can be challenged. One of them is forcing states to create insurance exchanges, another is forcing states to pay for Medicaid.

    The major fantasy is the thought that Obamacare will do anything to reduce cost. The only way it can do that is by rationing care. That's as logical as losing weight by cutting off a leg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    Remains to be seen. The portion found to be "Constitutional" was requiring people to buy something they didn't want by calling it a tax.

    Obamacare is a huge document. There are a lot of other facets that can be challenged. One of them is forcing states to create insurance exchanges, another is forcing states to pay for Medicaid.

    The major fantasy is the thought that Obamacare will do anything to reduce cost. The only way it can do that is by rationing care. That's as logical as losing weight by cutting off a leg.
    If parts of Obamacare are struck down it will not be because of nullification. Nullification as a legal argument is dead in the water and there is no point for states to argue that line of reasoning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    One of them is forcing states to create insurance exchanges
    They're not forced to do so. They are allowed to do so, and if they do not, the Federal government will do so and shoulder all of the costs.

    That said, states which are considering Obamacare rationally rather than using it as a political football are taking the option to set up their own exchanges, because it gives them far more local control over the exchanges.



    another is forcing states to pay for Medicaid.
    This has already been ruled unconstitutional. Some states are, in fact, opting out at the moment.

    Of course, it's incredibly stupid to opt out of a program that the Federal government is offering to pay for in full for the first 3 years and then 90% of thereafter, especially when your citizens owe Federal taxes either way. Also, that's a far greater percentage subsidy than that of existing Medicaid, which all states currently participate in.




    The major fantasy is the thought that Obamacare will do anything to reduce cost. The only way it can do that is by rationing care. That's as logical as losing weight by cutting off a leg.
    It has a laundry list of cost-controlling measures in it, which the CBO and various nonpartisan think-tanks do expect to reduce costs.

    It, granted, doesn't address the elephant in the room, which is that our largely privatized system is massively more inefficient than that of all other first-world countries, but it will do some things to control costs.

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    Michigan's is a writhing around about as long as the Repubs control the congress.
    But it's not going to happen.



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    I'm not sure which direction Virginia will go as we are an extremely conservative state. Worse yet, we have that idiot Ken Cucinnellie as our attorney general. I'm sure he will try to block anything which is possible to block. I'm hoping we will take advantage of Obama Care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Near View Post
    Considering the Supreme Court has found Obamacare constitutional the fact that people in a state government are even having this discussion shows that they don't have their priorities straight.

    Nullification has no legal basis. At best its a fantasy, at worst its a waste of public money.
    Considering all this, it will be a total shock if the State of Arizona isn't in on the nullification bandwagon. Having crooked priorities and wasting public money on fantasies seems to be the new state goal as of late.

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