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    So im pretty much finished with my support of capitalism. i wont talk about that right now but it caused me to think about: stress capitalism and AB desires.

    Does the drive and desire to be on top constantly, having to make money, needing money to survive, rugged individuality especially here in the USA and other stress factors give some reason to why we are the way we are.

    when we think of being a baby or toddler or young child we think of no responsibility and simpler times when we were taken care of. the idea of capitalism is totally anti collectivism which means its every one for him self so this goes against what it means to be taken care of and to take care of.(simply put) when we are a baby some one else stresses about making the money and making sure you survive. not saying ab's would disappear in a socialistic economy but i am saying that i feel capitalism contributes to the needing to regress and miss simpler times etc etc. what do you think?

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    I think your post is perceptive and i would largely agree with you. I think an ultra competitive economy contributes to some members of the society psychologically reacting in an opposite manner. To overcompensate this drive for rugged individualism one escapes to the feeling of regression and total dependence. What is also interesting is that AB/DLism is not found in many communist countries to the degree it is found in capitalistic ones, even when the culture (for ex. Japan) has been traditionally informed by social collectiviy; of course, in China and some other communist countries, getting the internet and discussing your sexuality are not the easiest things to do.

    But also, the fact that the fetish or whatever you want to call it, is not limited to one country but is cross cultural. Leads me to think that ABDLism may stem from a conflict of archetypes in the collective unconscious. I champion Jung's theory over Frued because there is a teleological safty device in Jung's philosophy...that is... no matter what the cause, there may be a reason that we have it (for some greater meta-meaning, i.e. afterlife, karmic burden, or even just playing the pawns in a sociological balancing act by Mother Earth).

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    I'd have to disagree with both of you. Living in a capitalist society, we will certainly tend to associate adulthood and responsibility with the stresses you mention, and if you like being regressed, you're going to associate that regression with those feelings going away. The fact that a connection is made doesn't mean that one causes he other. And the term "why we are the way we are" implies a cause.


    Quote Originally Posted by samwise View Post
    What is also interesting is that AB/DLism is not found in many communist countries to the degree it is found in capitalistic ones, even when the culture (for ex. Japan) has been traditionally informed by social collectiviy; of course, in China and some other communist countries, getting the internet and discussing your sexuality are not the easiest things to do.
    What are you even basing this on? Japan isn't a communist country, by the way.

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    don't think so, for this reason:

    AB/DL desires almost always (from observation) begin when the person is a child or young adolescent... at this time, most of us haven't felt the necessity of making money / climbing the status ladder...

    also, a lot of people feel stress related to money matters, yet they're not puttin on diapers and sucking their thumbs???

    AB/DLism might be a way to relieve stress (and that includes money-related stressors among other stressors), but that doesn't get to the root question: "why do AB/DLs relieve stress by wearing diapers and acting babyish?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaston View Post
    What are you even basing this on? Japan isn't a communist country, by the way.
    not economically, but the social culture of Japan puts a strong emphasis on each individual being very similar to other individuals in the culture; it does not share the "be yourself" attitude that US culture promotes; in fact, being yourself in Japan can be very dangerous and socially isolating (i.e., endorsed by no one), depending on who you are... whereas in the US even the outcasts generally are part of an outcasted group (i.e., endorsed by some in American society)

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    I always have my doubts about attempts to explain where ABDL comes from, but I'll put down my own guess...

    We have a culture in which children are a very highly valued, and the younger they are the more highly valued they are. At the same time, real children as they grow expected to put away wave after wave of "childish things" and grow into what our parents/teachers/ect consider to be "age appropriate." If we are not ready to "grow up" in some particular way we often find our continued "childish/babyish" behaviour regarded as shameful, and if we are shamed into giving something up we can still regard it with a "forbidden fruit" fascination.

    I'm not sure how this fits within the psychology of Modern capitalist society - it could tie in to the meritocratic spirit, the sense of having to justify yourself with achievements, which is just as strong in collectivist/conformist Japan as in the rugged individualist USA.
    In our culture Infants are constructed as being innocent, always worthy of love, care and attention, they are worthy ends in themselves. How many other people are regarded like that? Everyone else is expected to be working hard, obeying the rules, contributing to society or looking after themselves...

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    I think this has been well covered, but for my two cents, I side with the evidence that we are AB/DL first. We may regress to escape stress, and that's a nice secondary affect, but the original causes are probably rooted in our pre language selves, or at the latest developmental stage, potty training. It may not manifest until puberty or later, but I believe the psychological seeds are sewn in our early childhood development. Mine certainly were, as I was first aware of my attraction to diapers by the time I was four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaston View Post
    I'd have to disagree with both of you. Living in a capitalist society, we will certainly tend to associate adulthood and responsibility with the stresses you mention, and if you like being regressed, you're going to associate that regression with those feelings going away. The fact that a connection is made doesn't mean that one causes he other. And the term "why we are the way we are" implies a cause.



    What are you even basing this on? Japan isn't a communist country, by the way.
    Maybe it doesnt mean anything but it sure made sense to me when the thought popped in my head. being an adult is stressful and while not all stressed out adults become little babies in their free time, i think that is only because most have never thought about it and those that have thought about it are too chicken sh#$ to try it.(hope i didnt break the rules there)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    I think this has been well covered, but for my two cents, I side with the evidence that we are AB/DL first. We may regress to escape stress, and that's a nice secondary affect, but the original causes are probably rooted in our pre language selves, or at the latest developmental stage, potty training. It may not manifest until puberty or later, but I believe the psychological seeds are sewn in our early childhood development. Mine certainly were, as I was first aware of my attraction to diapers by the time I was four.
    what about being predisposed based off things that happened in early development but certain life stresses, just as I mentioned, cause you to do these things for comfort. it would explain why only a small percentage of society engages in this behavior. the rest arent predisposed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsClaraRiddle View Post
    I always have my doubts about attempts to explain where ABDL comes from, but I'll put down my own guess...

    We have a culture in which children are a very highly valued, and the younger they are the more highly valued they are. At the same time, real children as they grow expected to put away wave after wave of "childish things" and grow into what our parents/teachers/ect consider to be "age appropriate." If we are not ready to "grow up" in some particular way we often find our continued "childish/babyish" behaviour regarded as shameful, and if we are shamed into giving something up we can still regard it with a "forbidden fruit" fascination.

    I'm not sure how this fits within the psychology of Modern capitalist society - it could tie in to the meritocratic spirit, the sense of having to justify yourself with achievements, which is just as strong in collectivist/conformist Japan as in the rugged individualist USA.
    In our culture Infants are constructed as being innocent, always worthy of love, care and attention, they are worthy ends in themselves. How many other people are regarded like that? Everyone else is expected to be working hard, obeying the rules, contributing to society or looking after themselves...
    good response too. makes sense. also explains why some become like babies in the night and others drink a beer and are fine. i think the expectation to perform and take care of ones self and family are stronger than any other expectations.

    a thought occurred just now. in communist china, kids off them sevles every day because they fail in some way in school. there the drive to succeed is for schooling, here it doesnt matter how you succeed, just make sure you make that money so at your funeral people can say you lived a good life and be some one my child could emulate. not sure how that adds to this conversation but its a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countdown View Post
    don't think so, for this reason:

    AB/DL desires almost always (from observation) begin when the person is a child or young adolescent... at this time, most of us haven't felt the necessity of making money / climbing the status ladder...

    also, a lot of people feel stress related to money matters, yet they're not puttin on diapers and sucking their thumbs???

    AB/DLism might be a way to relieve stress (and that includes money-related stressors among other stressors), but that doesn't get to the root question: "why do AB/DLs relieve stress by wearing diapers and acting babyish?"

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    not economically, but the social culture of Japan puts a strong emphasis on each individual being very similar to other individuals in the culture; it does not share the "be yourself" attitude that US culture promotes; in fact, being yourself in Japan can be very dangerous and socially isolating (i.e., endorsed by no one), depending on who you are... whereas in the US even the outcasts generally are part of an outcasted group (i.e., endorsed by some in American society)
    but they have seen their parents and they know its coming for them soon...I mean teens arent that dumb. they know what is going on. why their parents are so stressed out. they know in a few years they will be moving out of the house and will be just like their parents. they see their parents paying less and less attention to them as they force more responsibility on them giving the parents more time to stress over bills and second mortgages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waslost1234abc View Post
    but they have seen their parents and they know its coming for them soon...I mean teens arent that dumb. they know what is going on. why their parents are so stressed out. they know in a few years they will be moving out of the house and will be just like their parents. they see their parents paying less and less attention to them as they force more responsibility on them giving the parents more time to stress over bills and second mortgages.
    I dunno... what about the ABDLs who started liking diapers when they were as young as 4? or what about ABDLs who grew up in a wealthy household that didn't really have to worry bout money?

    I guess it's possible for some ABDLs (I don't think there's any catchall explanation for this), but I'd think the money-stress would be a cause for acting on the desire but not the cause of the desire itself, since there are people who spend their entire lives worrying about paying the bills & they may not necessarily be ABDLs yet there are people who hardly ever worry about money & they're full-blown ABDLs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Countdown View Post
    I dunno... what about the ABDLs who started liking diapers when they were as young as 4? or what about ABDLs who grew up in a wealthy household that didn't really have to worry bout money?

    I guess it's possible for some ABDLs (I don't think there's any catchall explanation for this), but I'd think the money-stress would be a cause for acting on the desire but not the cause of the desire itself, since there are people who spend their entire lives worrying about paying the bills & they may not necessarily be ABDLs yet there are people who hardly ever worry about money & they're full-blown ABDLs
    im not saying at all that this could be the cause of ALL AB/DL'S. I am saying the stress is universal and more so in capitalist economies. capitalism covers us all here in the USA and many other countries. notice the big ones USA canada and germany. capitalist and heavey on the ABDL'S. that being said nordic countries are also heavy on ABDLS and many of them are straight socialist. I guess i have brought up one more thing that contributes but doesnt explain with any certainty why we are the way we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waslost1234abc View Post
    I am saying the stress is universal and more so in capitalist economies.
    That's not even true.



    Quote Originally Posted by waslost1234abc View Post
    notice the big ones USA canada and germany. capitalist and heavey on the ABDL'S. that being said nordic countries are also heavy on ABDLS and many of them are straight socialist.
    Ignoring the fact that you undermine the very basis of your conclusion by bringing up socialist countries, what are you even basing this on? There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that the number of AB/DLs is somehow lower in communist countries. My suspicion is that the people in this thread making these claims are doing it based on no more than gut feelings, based on how many AB/DL websites you've seen and which nationalities their members come from. Both of these are more related to how many people in the country have access to the internet and the resources to own a personal computer. Oh hey, it seems capitalism is pretty good at providing those things!

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