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    I got this E-mail from a good friend on Thursday, and figured I would share it with everyone here. This is very important, if we want our country to survive. It seems that our president elect is already working to kill our way of life, but you decide for yourself. I researched this, and it's true.




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    From: "Ray Pack
    Subject: FW: Senate Bill 2433: Global Tax
    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:05:05 +0000


    Contact your representatives immediately and let them know your opinion re this. Being a politician, it may not matter, but at least you will not be caught in the dark when this passes. PAY ATTENTION and keep in contact with your reps. Linda



    Subject: Senate Bill 2433

    I checked it out. Almost everything has to be validated now. It's real. The more you research it - from the liberal and conservative side - it stinks! Have we really become this hood winked?



    Check it out for your self: OpenCongress - Text of S.2433 Global Poverty Act of 2007

    SENATE BILL S. 2433 THE GLOBAL POVERTY ACT

    According to David Bossie, President of the group 'Citizens United for American Sovereignty', based out of Merrifield Virginia , website: Citizens United :: Dedicated to restoring our government to citizen control. the above- mentioned Senate Bill (S. 2433) is a piece of legislation in the works that all Americans need to know about and know now!

    This bill, sponsored by none other than Sen. Barack Obama, with the backing of Joe Biden on the Foreign Relations Committee, and liberal democrats in Congress, is nothing short of a massive giveaway of American wealth around the world, and a betrayal of the public trust, because, if passed, this bill would give over many aspects of our sovereignty to the United Nations.

    The noble sounding name of this bill, 'The Global Poverty Act' is actually a Global Tax, payable to the United Nations, that will be required of all American taxpayers. If passed in the Senate, the House has already passed it, this bill would require the U.S. to increase our foreign aid by $65 BILLION per year, or $845 BILLION over the next 13 years! That's on top of the billions of dollars in foreign aid we already pay out!

    In addition to the economic burdens this potential law would place on our precarious economy, the bill, if passed in the Senate, would also endanger our constitutionally protected rights and freedoms by obligating us to meet certain United Nations mandates.

    According to Senator Obama, we should establish these United Nations' goals as benchmarks for U.S. spending. What are they?

    n The creation of a U.N. International Criminal Court having the power to try and convict American citizens and soldiers without any protection from the U.S. Constitution.

    n A standing United Nations Army forcing U.S. soldiers to serve under U.N. command.

    n A Gun Ban on all small arms and light weapons --which would repeal our Second Amendment right to bear arms.

    n The ratification of the ' Kyoto ' global warming treaty and numerous other anti-American measures.

    Recently, the Senate Subcommittee on Foreign Relations (where Sen. Joe Biden sits) approved this plan by a voice vote without any discussion! Why all the secrecy? If Senators Obama and Biden are so proud of this legislation, then why don't they bring it out into the light of day and let the American people have a look at it instead of hiding it behind closed doors and sneaking it through Congress for late night votes.

    It may be only a matter of time before this dangerous legislation reaches a floor vote in the full body of the Senate.

    Please write or call, email your representatives, the White House, the media, or anyone you think will listen, and express your opinions regarding this Global Tax giveaway and betrayal of the American people at a time when our nation and our people are already heavily burdened with the threats to our freedoms and economic prosperity.

    Please send this email to as many folks out there in your networks as you can. And ASAP!

    Thank you.



    Isn't this wonderful? I think it would be better to just die now while I'm still a free man. If I live to see this stuff happen, it will certainly be a sad day for me.

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    n The creation of a U.N. International Criminal Court having the power to try and convict American citizens and soldiers without any protection from the U.S. Constitution.
    This sounds great, I've always been a fan of totalitarianism. I hope they enforce it for other countries too!



    n A standing United Nations Army forcing U.S. soldiers to serve under U.N. command.
    Again, fan of totalitarianism!



    n A Gun Ban on all small arms and light weapons --which would repeal our Second Amendment right to bear arms.
    Really? So much the better! Absolutely fabulous! People shouldn't have rights! They should be slaves to the government they serve! Any disobedience will be punished by the Ministry of Love with the assistance of room 101



    n The ratification of the ' Kyoto ' global warming treaty and numerous other anti-American measures.
    Dear god no! They be taking away US's self destructive lifestyle!

    ________________

    Alright, lets cut the sarcasm.

    I'll try not to be blatantly rude.

    I am absolutely sick of chain mails that go on the lines of 'OMAHGAWDS OBAMAH IS A DESTROYING OUR FREEDOMZ!'
    a)He hasn't even taken power yet. The judge will be history.
    b)He isn't a militant authoritarian Communist/Stalinist/Totalitarian/Anti-American. Reading that e-mail gives that impression. Not fully, but hints to it, no denying that.

    Alright, I'm not an Obama-lover, because in my opinion he wont that great a president as people think he will be. But don't get me wrong, he doesn't look the kind of guy who's going to forge a socialist takeover.

    Finnally, yes, I'd have probably voted Republican, and I stand by McCain's approach on Obama :

    ''Senator Obama is a good house person, who we seem to have certain political disagreements.''

    Just because someone disagrees with another persons politics does not mean the opponent is a nutcase. It also does not justify throwing filth at each other. (Obamageddon? Jesus god, I heard that too!)

    And no, he isn't going to ban guns. Just watch.

    Summary : Obama is not the goddamn Antichrist, get a grip and see you in 4 years. If there IS a socialist takeover, at least you can laugh at me.

    Thank you, and sorry.

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    Come on people, he won, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It isn't the end of the world and he doesn't want to take your guns, that is UNTRUE

    I'm just tired of people complaining and complaining about it. I mean you are entitled to it, but it isn't going to change the fact that he is going to be the president.

    People are acting like they did in the SouthPark episode.

    Just my 2 cents.

    ~Johnathon~

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    Honestly, this is nothing compared to ACTA.
    If ACTA gets passed you can be sure most major 1st world countries will be raping citizens in the ass because of a "major piracy problem"

    Go read up on ACTA once, it's VERY scary stuff.

    Edit: Forgot to comment on this



    The ratification of the ' Kyoto ' global warming treaty
    I really don't see how this is a bad thing. Sure we'd have to make our pollution policies more strict, but right now we are one of the largest pollution producing countries in the world.

    I can see why we wouldn't want to ratify the Kyoto Treaty right now, as we'd be paying tons of fines, but it's definitely something the US needs to ratify in the near future.

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    So why did it take your good friend almost a year to let you know about this?

    Obama submitted this bill 7 Dec 2007, and nothing has been done since April.

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    I see "Increase foreign aid by $65 Billion" and can't help but wonder what the current $ amount is being spent on foreign aid, because numbers by themselves are completely meaningless. The originator of this puts forth those two billion numbers as a scare tactic, without any other economic figures to measure those against they're complete and utter bullshit. One thing I could do is look up the population of the US and see how much more that $65 Billion would equate to per person in taxes from everyone on average, but I'm too lazy to do that.

    Frankly I'm disgusted with America's ways. The moment anyone mentions anything about "taxes" everyone runs out with pitchforks and torches to castrate the mentionee, without taking the time to examine it from a financial and economical standpoint. When governments need money to do something, what do they do? Raise taxes. It's what they use that extra tax money for is the kicker; if I hear talk about taxes being raised then I god damn well expect the economy to look better in a few months. I forget the exact model for how it goes (it's been almost two years now) but raising/lowering taxes is an important tool for regulating the economy. Yet people are so god damn dumb they think that having $90 of a $100 paycheck with which to purchase $4 gallons of milk is better than having $89 of a $100 paycheck with which to purchase $3 gallons of milk.

    Economics should be a friggin' required course for all high school students, the practical applications of it are astronomical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentine View Post
    So why did it take your good friend almost a year to let you know about this?

    Obama submitted this bill 7 Dec 2007, and nothing has been done since April.
    I can't answer that, other than to say that he was probably unaware of it as I was. That's just the thing see. These sneaky ass politicians will try to put through anything controversial as secretly as they can, no fanfare, and if they can get it through without any kind of a majority vote, for instance on some sub-committee, then they can get their unpopular policy/law, whatever, through without any resistance. As for why nothing has been done since April, my guess is because the election demanded all of his time and effort.

    That's just what has happened here. Believe me, I have wanted him to be a good president too, since I've accepted his win to the office. But, if this is any indication of the kinds of things we can expect to see from him, well, then we are really in the deep doo doo!!!!

    Read the thing, and understand what it says. And look at how it was done. Then make up your mind.

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    Here's an argument that might be base enough for you:

    It can't be any worse than the decisions Bush has made in these past 8 years!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TS_Chris View Post
    I see "Increase foreign aid by $65 Billion" and can't help but wonder what the current $ amount is being spent on foreign aid, because numbers by themselves are completely meaningless. The originator of this puts forth those two billion numbers as a scare tactic, without any other economic figures to measure those against they're complete and utter bullshit. One thing I could do is look up the population of the US and see how much more that $65 Billion would equate to per person in taxes from everyone on average, but I'm too lazy to do that.
    About $200 per person.



    Frankly I'm disgusted with America's ways. The moment anyone mentions anything about "taxes" everyone runs out with pitchforks and torches to castrate the mentionee, without taking the time to examine it from a financial and economical standpoint. When governments need money to do something, what do they do? Raise taxes. It's what they use that extra tax money for is the kicker; if I hear talk about taxes being raised then I god damn well expect the economy to look better in a few months. I forget the exact model for how it goes (it's been almost two years now) but raising/lowering taxes is an important tool for regulating the economy. Yet people are so god damn dumb they think that having $90 of a $100 paycheck with which to purchase $4 gallons of milk is better than having $89 of a $100 paycheck with which to purchase $3 gallons of milk.

    Economics should be a friggin' required course for all high school students, the practical applications of it are astronomical.
    Actually lowering taxes ends up with more revenue for the government.



    Quote Originally Posted by ricky View Post
    I can't answer that, other than to say that he was probably unaware of it as I was. That's just the thing see. These sneaky ass politicians will try to put through anything controversial as secretly as they can, no fanfare, and if they can get it through without any kind of a majority vote, for instance on some sub-committee, then they can get their unpopular policy/law, whatever, through without any resistance. As for why nothing has been done since April, my guess is because the election demanded all of his time and effort.

    That's just what has happened here. Believe me, I have wanted him to be a good president too, since I've accepted his win to the office. But, if this is any indication of the kinds of things we can expect to see from him, well, then we are really in the deep doo doo!!!!

    Read the thing, and understand what it says. And look at how it was done. Then make up your mind.
    You say "sneaky ass," that is a load of BS, the bill has been out in public since day one. That's the way it works. These bills are out in the public eye, as long as the public looks. If you don't look you can't blame Congress.

    Interestingly enough, your friend uses a time span of thirteen years, yet the dates in the Bill are until 2015, only 8 years from now. His amount of $65 million came from where?

    According to Senator Obama, we should establish these United Nations' goals as benchmarks for U.S. spending. What are they?

    Sorry to disappoint you, but all bills have to be passed by the House and the Senate, and then signed by the President.

    I'm curious if your friend has any statements by Obama supporting his claims?

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