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    Default Michigan considering becoming a Right-To-Work State

    We've known what Indiana did over half a year ago when it became a right-to-work state; now it's Michigan's turn when a right-to-work law passed from each state legislative house. Reports all over the internet talking about the right-to-work progress; Union bosses, Democrats and President Obama speaking out against this situation. Any thoughts?

    Michigan House, Senate each pass right-to-work bills after Democrats walk out to protest closed Capitol | Michigan news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    I'm so glad I live in a right-to-work state known as Virginia.

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    It's absolutely terrible, and here in Michigan it's nothing more than revenge on unions for seeking to protect themselves. Unions put Proposal 2 on our ballot this year, which aimed to cement collective bargaining rights into the Michigan Constitution (and preclude any possibility of Right to Work for Less legislation). That, along with all of the other proposed constitutional amendments, failed largely because people took offense to so many interests all trying to do stuff with the constitution at once (unions, renewable energy, home health care standards, supermajorities to raise taxes, and the planned international bridge between Michigan and Canada). Polls show continuing strong support for collective bargaining (read: unions) here in Michigan, and Michigan remains a very strong labor state.

    As for right to work for less legislation, it's absolutely terrible, and it's nothing more than union-busting. No one now is legally required to join a union here in Michigan. Employees trying to form or join a union all have a vote in the process, and only if a majority of employees in a shop elect to unionize does a union happen. Workers in right to work for less states make considerably less than their counterparts in union states. Also, I believe employees should have collective clout to negotiate with management. Otherwise, we go back to the Guilded Age and the Triangle Shirt Factory all over again, and I have no interest in oligarchs taking unchecked advantage of workers.

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    Virginia is a right to work state, and as a result, almost all salaries and wages across the board are much lower. As a public school instructional assistant, I make a little over 15,000 a year, which is pathetic. Starting salary for a teacher is 30,000. On the other hand, housing is cheaper unless you live in N. Virginia, Richmond or on the water. I should add that our public schools are quite good, but we are driven by a conservative state government that would like to replace us with vouchers and charter schools.

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    My thoughts on the subject...........HELL YES!

    While Unions (in theory) are a great idea, they tend to get a bit to big for their britches. I understand the benefits to society since we have had Unions but with an idiotic socialist progressive President, it is almost not needed.

    Unfortunately, I am almost certain it will fail. The Union's will complain that it's not fair that someone doesn't have to pay their dues. It will look like Wisconsin (different story I know) all over again

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrummerDude View Post
    My thoughts on the subject...........HELL YES!

    While Unions (in theory) are a great idea, they tend to get a bit to big for their britches. I understand the benefits to society since we have had Unions but with an idiotic socialist progressive President, it is almost not needed.

    Unfortunately, I am almost certain it will fail. The Union's will complain that it's not fair that someone doesn't have to pay their dues. It will look like Wisconsin (different story I know) all over again
    Because corporations never get too big for their britches and run roughshod over their workers and the general population. They never pollute the air and then deny they were spewing toxins out of their plants or contaminate ground water supplies and then claim that people's tap water just naturally can catch fire or treat Wall Street like a casino and then go bawling to the government that they need nearly a trillion dollars or the entire global economy will melt down. Nope, it's always those damn workers asking for a living wage with which they could support a family that are the cause of all our problems.

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    For 40+ years I paid the union protection racket so I could work and feed my family.
    Let me ask this question; If unions are so great why do you have to force people to belong? You would think they would be lined up down the street and breaking the doors down to join.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringer View Post
    For 40+ years I paid the union protection racket so I could work and feed my family.
    Let me ask this question; If unions are so great why do you have to force people to belong? You would think they would be lined up down the street and breaking the doors down to join.
    Show me one instance where someone was forced to join a union. Closed shops do not count, as you still have the ultimate choice of whether or not you want to join. I was a union member for four years in a closed shop (state park job), and I have nothing but positive things to say about having been a union member. We actually switched unions while I was there (from the Police Officers Association of Michigan to the Michigan State Employees Association), and trust me, that was not a forced decision. We all had an opportunity to vote, whether we were lowly SW-4 summer workers or actual uniformed officers. Nothing was forced on anyone.

    During my four summers, starting wages for even the lowly summer workers like me went up $1.00/hour. We went from having to pay for uniforms to having uniform shirts provided for us. Safety training became much more rigorous. We gained the option to buy into a retirement plan. Our dues were one hour of wage per two-week paycheck. As far as I'm concerned, it was a pretty sweet deal.

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    I live in a right to work state and guess what? The unions do just fine. However, I don't have to worry about being out of work while two entities I have no control of decide to strike. Look what the unions did to Hostess. They refused to budge in negotiations and the company just folded. Now the members make no money at all. We are individuals. As an individual I don't live for any other person. I can negotiate my own pay with my employer and I do just fine.

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    Default Michigan considering becoming a Right-To-Work State

    A rather well known retailer makes no bones about their reaction to Union organizing. If the employees of a certain group desire to have Union representation, the Company will have bulldozers at that particular site the very next day to tear the building down and eliminate all the jobs at that site. That's a fact and the stockholders back the management 100%.

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    If you want examples of people being forced into unions off the top of my head I can say elevator mechanics and teachers. For some trades the union has a monopoly on training so you can't enter the field without a union aproval. Joining involves finding a journeyman willing to sponcer you and then droping a few hundred dollars on drinks at your initiation. And with teachers the only jobs a new graduate can hope to get are in closed shops.

    I have not talked to anyone under 40 that was happy with thier union. I believe this is because a worker needs senoirity to get any benifit from the union. Union or not the last hired are usually the first laid off. And the kind of ecconomic stability needed for it to be common to keep one job for your whole career has not existed in recent times and probably never will again. What might have been a great system once now only benifits a few older workers and retirees. Union dues are more of a non government tax on workers until they have been with the company for years.

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