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Thread: Thoughts on pedophilia and its possible link to paraphalic infantalism

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    Question Thoughts on pedophilia and its possible link to paraphalic infantalism

    Recently, I got in a discussion with my brother regarding pedophilia, pedophiles, and what causes it. I don't remember what spurred the conversation but most likely it was some television program. My brother knows absolutely nothing about ABDLism, let alone my being a part of it, and at one point in the conversation made the claim that pedophiles are so in love with childhood innocence and have such a compelling wish to be a part of it that they try to engage themselves sexually with those who still possess it. I got defensive after he said this as after all, isn't that what I and most ABs try to accomplish by mimicking kids/toddlers/babies and regressing to the time of our youth in which we were in touch with this purity, so to speak? I started saying that that is impossible since part of the reason kids still have their innocence is because of their lack of sexual maturity or even awareness and the complications that it brings and if they wanted that innocence they would try to stay kids.

    The conversation trailed off after that and I luckily did not give myself away, but it got me thinking, maybe that is what pedophiles are trying to do and we are both working towards the same goal by approaching it from two very different and conflicting angles. This led me to think that we (I mean we as in the ABDL community) are quite possibly that one step above pedophiles but that we could still be grouped with them as we both work towards a common purpose. Obviously I do not believe that there is anything wrong with being an ABDL and that pedophilia is a serious ailment, but what if the only difference between our two groups is a medical condition that causes them to view children as sexual prizes that they think will bring them that much closer to bliss and the innocence that we as ABDLs are on the verge of? What if pedophiles are ABs with a mental disorder?

    What do the rest of you think about the possibility of a link between us and pedophiles?

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    In the simplest definitions:

    Paraphilic infantilism is "the desire to wear diapers and be treated like a baby". (from understanding.infantilism.org).

    Pedophilia is a psychiatric disorder "typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children" (Wikipedia).

    I think the two are highly distinct. Pedophilia is a sexual interest - it is inherently defined by sexual desire. Infantilism, however, is not inherently sexual. For adult babies, it is a desire to regress to an infantile state of mind. Although some (diaper lovers) do have a sexual connection to the fetish, this tends to be a sexual attraction to the diapers themselves, rather than a sexual attraction to children in diapers. The two are fundamentally different because infantilism either lacks a sexual focus, or has a sexual focus completely distinct from pedophilia (diapers versus children).

    Do the two share a common cause? No idea. Some research seems to suggest that pedophiles have different hormonal levels, altered brain structure, and a higher probability of having suffered head injuries versus the general population. Whether this is true of infantilists as well, I don't know. But these would all influence our motivations for our desires, and our responses to possible causative events in the past. For example, many pedophiles report being sexually abused as children. In a person with a certain brain type, this could lead to the development of pedophilia. But not everyone who is sexually abused becomes a pedophile, so it must only affect certain people. Some ABs have reported events that they see as "triggers", such as seeing a diaper during childhood, or bedwetting. But not every child who sees these things becomes an AB. In the end, you'd have to study infantilists a lot more closely to see if our brains are "set up" to turn these experiences into personality traits.

    In summary, there may be some mental similarities between ABs and pedophiles, but we can't tell for sure. But I think the two conditions are completely different, since they focus on different objects, so to speak. As to whether they're pursuing a common goal, I can't tell; I suspect it's different for every person.

    *Disclaimer* I'm not in any way a qualified psychologist, but I've done a little reading on sexuality. If anyone has more informed sources, feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

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    I think Adventurer has covered it well. There are several distinctions which I see as well. Diaper lovers are attracted to an object where as pedophiles are attracted to a living person. There are some similarities however. Both involve an active imagination where one fantasizes through an object to achieve a desired end. The diaper lover or adult baby uses objects which are associated with a baby or toddler to create a fantasy world of infancy/toddlerism.

    I agree that a pedophile uses a child to create a mental world of being that child, perhaps a vain effort to relive the same feelings of being a child. Both the diaper lover and the pedophile suffer if they can't live this fantasy. As diaper lovers, we understand what it's like when we can't wear and use diapers because of circumstances. I would imagine the pedophile has a worse experience. As diaper lovers, we often experience guilt because the act of acting like a baby can seem demeaning. Molesting a child would be far worse, hurting or ruining the life of a child. We simply hurt an innocent piece of plastic or cloth...sigh. I can't tell you how many diapers I've shocked by my course actions!

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    Well i think post on top is enough to explain the different.

    But in my opinion i think pedophiles and AB are completely different since pedophile don't want to act like child they simply want to have intercourse with child. And also most AB is non-sexual but those who get sexual feeling dont do it with child they do it with adult

    And yes i'm not learning psychology and that is my opinion only.

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    I've seen no compelling evidence for any sort of meaningful link between the two, and there's likely no possible fruitful result of discussing the possibility of one when there's essentially no evidence to go on.

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    I would theorize that ABs in particular would be likely to find pedophilia more even disgusting than most people would.

    For those of us that are ABs in the sense that it's an attempt to, "Return to a simpler more innocent time," pedophilia would go against everything we believe in about that part of life. It would be robbing a person the first time of what we are desperately trying to get a second glimpse of.


    So i'd say that the two could be considered opposites.

    Pedophiles would remove a child's innocence.
    An AB would return to the innocence of a child.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    I agree that a pedophile uses a child to create a mental world of being that child, perhaps a vain effort to relive the same feelings of being a child. Both the diaper lover and the pedophile suffer if they can't live this fantasy. As diaper lovers, we understand what it's like when we can't wear and use diapers because of circumstances. I would imagine the pedophile has a worse experience. As diaper lovers, we often experience guilt because the act of acting like a baby can seem demeaning. Molesting a child would be far worse, hurting or ruining the life of a child. We simply hurt an innocent piece of plastic or cloth...sigh. I can't tell you how many diapers I've shocked by my course actions!
    I would disagree on a lot of people's assumption that the rationale behind a Paedophile performing sexual acts, or fantasising about said sexual acts, is an attempt to relive or recapture an aspect of childhood. This might be true when talking about Paedophiles who were abused at a young age themselves, but as has been said before, this is not always the case. Raping someone / removing someone's innocence, does quite the opposite of recapturing childhood does it not?

    I would link paedophilia or liken it at least, to BDSM. Prevalent through any relationship, albeit ones that are healthy or not, is the submissive and dominant positions. Please understand the that by this I don't mean that everyone has to be one or the other within a bedroom environment. What I mean is, you can always see this in the ways people communicate, socialise or love each other. One side is usually inhabiting one role.

    Assuming this is correct, I think it would be quite logical to say there are a lot of dominating people in this world. Most of them are wonderfully caring people who you can trust implicitly in a vulnerable environment (experience of this!). But unfortunately there are always going to be some that are unable to see where fantasies end and reality begins. I see stark contrasts in what we do and what Paedophiles do. They destroy innocence, or fantasise about doing so as a matter of course and revel in forcing someone to do something against their will removing choice and subjugating a living human being. This fantasy shares a lot of similarities with the general BDSM mindset, albeit the major difference with paedophilia being that BDSM is consensual and done within a safe and controlled environment. As ABs we make a choice to give away our freedom as an adult to someone who cares for us and that we trust and we try to recapture that innocence lost oh so long ago.

    The reason I think I can see these connections is because, I am an AB but me and my boyfriend also dabble in BDSM as well (there is nothing quite like seeing his butt jiggle when he's been naughty! :O). These two parts of my sexuality/fantasies I keep relatively separate. Understanding oneself properly, and exploring ones sexual boundaries but also where the separation lies, is key to being a happy well functioning person. As I like to say about practically anything in my life: "Everything in moderation".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyAB View Post
    I've seen no compelling evidence for any sort of meaningful link between the two, and there's likely no possible fruitful result of discussing the possibility of one when there's essentially no evidence to go on.
    ^ This

    Ageplayers like to imagine adults in childlike situations, paedophiles like to imagine children in adult situations: that word order makes a world of difference.

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    Assuming there was a link then there would be a greater number of paedophiles in the AB population than there are in the general population. Now while we have no official data on this we can only assume that the proportion of paedophiles within the AB community is the same as the proportion of paedophiles in the general population and until we can get data to determine otherwise it seems logical to run with this idea.

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    The only research I've seen that compares ABDLs and children are that ABDLs are much more protective of children than usual. That's it. There is no link between pedophilia and infantilism. My liking diapers gives me zero sexual attract to children. Although, I do have an emotional attraction to children, just like I would to any human. However, I find children to be simply the purest forms of life, and get more upset about one getting hurt than anyone else. I suppose that's where ABDLs being more protective of children come into play.

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