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    I haven't been active since signing up so i thought i'd get active. So, I'm really getting sick of education in the US. My brother is a problem child (drugs attitude etc.) He doesn't do his work, and so they want to kick him out of the highschool and send him to basically a school for people like him. Which I've heard is actually alot of work even though its a place for people that don't do their work. lol

    The problem i see is that 1. its pretty bad when a school gives up on the student. 2. Its pretty bad that someone had so little faith in students that they pre-planned and built these schools.

    Another thing thats pretty ridiculous is due to his grades he's not allowed to go out to lunch. Yet he does anyways, which he's suppose to get introuble for and doesn't. Seeing as how every door in the school during the day is locked from the inside. Somehow he manages to get back into the school either through a different door or he comes in through the main door and they don't notice him. w.e. p.s. He has appoints for stuff to help with his problems and when parents go to pick him up the school can never seem to be capable of finding him.

    Now onto the more serious non-brother related stuff.

    I've watched as my old highschool (currently in college) cuts days they have off for break. Seniors are suppose to get out in may but they cut that too. These schools think adding more school days will make students learn? To make students learn they should stop hiring teachers that "teach" and start hiring teachers that don't even need to teach meaning. They present the material in such a creative and innovative way the students don't have a problem with retaining information. Just sitting in class listening to someone speak all day gets boring and your mind wonders. As the day goes on you lose more and more focus so the last classes of your day get the short end of the stick.

    In my opinion what the education system truly lacks is a sense of urgency. My parents always tell me, well they want you to be well rounded. Well rounded? Look at a typical chinese day, they have 2 math courses biology chemisty and physics all at the same time. 1 chinese language class and 1 english language class and I think 2 electives. I think the chinese get it. In my opinion we need to focus more so on the Technology Driven economy more so then being "well rounded." Congrats you know who Ghandi is. Can you tell me how to program a device to control everything in my house? Cause if you can make that, you'd get pretty rich. Its so much easier to get rich with technological innovations then any other field of study imo. People love technology, even the smallest things will get you money.

    So all and all this is more like a rant, I could have probably though it out better and explained it clearer but...ya....thanks for reading if you made it all the way through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindMeCharms View Post
    I haven't been active since signing up so i thought i'd get active. So, I'm really getting sick of education in the US. My brother is a problem child (drugs attitude etc.) He doesn't do his work, and so they want to kick him out of the highschool and send him to basically a school for people like him. Which I've heard is actually alot of work even though its a place for people that don't do their work. lol

    The problem i see is that 1. its pretty bad when a school gives up on the student. 2. Its pretty bad that someone had so little faith in students that they pre-planned and built these schools.
    1) Giving up on him? They don't have the facilities to accomodate a high-risk individual. They are legally required to make sure he is safe while he is supposed to be in attendance, and they don't have the proper staff and equipment to make sure that he is even in the building. The obvious solution is to send him somewhere that has those accomodations, rather than spend a ridiculous amount of money for one student that will be gone in a few years. The staff have more work to do than to cater to your brother alone. There are other students who actually care about their futures, and they should not be short-handed because your brother is a twiddlemuffin and wants to eat up everyone else's time with stupid antics.

    2) These aren't pre-planned and built. They were built because they were necessary for all the kids that were getting kicked out. If anything, it's giving them a second chance. It's simple cause-and-effect.



    Quote Originally Posted by FindMeCharms View Post
    Another thing thats pretty ridiculous is due to his grades he's not allowed to go out to lunch. Yet he does anyways, which he's suppose to get introuble for and doesn't. Seeing as how every door in the school during the day is locked from the inside. Somehow he manages to get back into the school either through a different door or he comes in through the main door and they don't notice him. w.e. p.s. He has appoints for stuff to help with his problems and when parents go to pick him up the school can never seem to be capable of finding him.
    Again, this can lead to massive legal troubles for the school. If something were to happen to him while he was supposed to be in attendance at the school, your parents could blame the school for not knowing where he was. Schools have an obligation to protect the children that are under their care while the parents are not around. If they cannot adequately provide this care to your brother because HE is not allowing it, then they either need to spend the money to hire a person and/or technology to keep track of him, or send him some place that is structured in such a way to provide the care that is required. It is not unreasonable for them to say that they are not prepared to deal with someone in his situation.

    My own opinion:
    I don't understand this logic. Why do people continually claim that the school system should restructure itself to accomodate a single individual at the cost of everyone else, rather than send them somewhere that is more specialised? There is actually a similar issue that my sister had to deal with in her grade 5 class. There was a student who had some traumatic event with his father (or stepfather, not entirely sure. It was an older male caregiver). Anyway, due to whatever he went through, he would occasionally have bouts where he would lose control and throw tables and chairs across the room for absolutely no reason... and yet he was allowed to stay in the school because there were no French immersion programs in the area for extra needs kids. This kid was a danger to the other classmates, but they ignored that he might give someone a concussion (apparently he could legit throw a desk from one end of the room to the other in a fit of rage) in order to be give every student an "equal" chance.

    No one is equal to anyone else. Ever. There are always going to be some things that a person is NOT able to do that other people are. An armless person cannot play in the NFL, for instance. People need to accept that. I'm not saying that there isn't a bit of room to adjust things, but it should not come at the expense of other people. Some people have it worse off than other people. Yeah, that sucks. Unfortunately, that is also life.



    Quote Originally Posted by FindMeCharms View Post
    In my opinion what the education system truly lacks is a sense of urgency. My parents always tell me, well they want you to be well rounded. Well rounded? Look at a typical chinese day, they have 2 math courses biology chemisty and physics all at the same time. 1 chinese language class and 1 english language class and I think 2 electives. I think the chinese get it. In my opinion we need to focus more so on the Technology Driven economy more so then being "well rounded." Congrats you know who Ghandi is. Can you tell me how to program a device to control everything in my house? Cause if you can make that, you'd get pretty rich. Its so much easier to get rich with technological innovations then any other field of study imo. People love technology, even the smallest things will get you money.
    What if I don't want to be able to tell you how to make a device to control everything in your house? What if I'm just terrible at technology, but I happen to have a great memory for historical facts and figures, and can write an essay that can revolutionise the way people look at the world? Ghandi couldn't build great things, but he was a great man. You seem to be aware of who he was. The school system is structured where I live so that you have a basic knowledge of science that will be required for a multitude of fields, but otherwise leaves plenty of room open to discover what you truly want to do. I took a film studies course and got a 96. I took a biology course and got a 50; the bio was actually lower, but the teacher bumped it to a passing grade. I have a great eye for both the technical and thematic aspects of media, including television, video games, and films. I doubt James Cameron could build a camera, but look at how much money he made making Avatar?

    It's very close-minded of you to say that everyone should learn a small number of fields, since not everyone is particularly good at those things, and many do not enjoy it. The final year of Ontario secondary school has only one compulsory credit, because it is the only credit required by ALL colleges and universities. It's an English credit. The other 5-7 courses that you choose from are all electives, at that point. Most people do end up taking a science or two, other people take humanities courses. Some people do welding or other trade courses. They normally pic courses that are going to get them into university or college programs that they enjoy, in the hopes of starting a career that they enjoy. I'd rather be happy and technologically stagnant than be an advanced and depressed civilisation.

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    If a foreign power did to the American education system what our government has done over the past 40 years, it would constitute an act of war.

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    Perchance, have you considered that the public education system is not about education at all? Perhaps it is to educate the next generation of workers and soldiers that the State derives its power from?

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    I agree we need a more technology based curiculum. We should have classes about basic computer repair or basic Windows (Covering why you NEED NEED NEED antivirus on windows), basic things like that. It's great that you can test well, but your knowledge is only good until you step out of the classroom, then history and economics just don't matter much to most people. I fought back for two of the four years of school by being an asshole and not doing hardly any of my work.

    Teachers need to teach like they did in Elementary school: CREATIVELY! You can't get an 8 year old to pay attention to an hour long lecture and you can't get a 16 year old to listen to those for four periods a day.

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    Yeah, the US edu-system isn't really know abroad for it's quality. Which should be shaming as a Western Country and the last 'superpower'. Until 2020 then it will be Asia time :P

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    I always hear about the poor education system in America, and it saddens me to think that the West's largest superpower can't get education right. I mean, if they can't teach the next generation correctly, it will cause a knock on effect, as the next generation won't know how to teach the generation after that.

    I currently teach part-time at a college when not at school myself, I teach 13-16 year olds, and I continuously try to either come up with new ways to teach it OR make the class funny - INTERACT with the children.

    From what I've heard about in America, banter just doesn't seem to happen in the classrooms, and I think you need at least a small level of banter, just so that the student feels relaxed enough and comfortable enough to be willing to pay attention and learn.

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    Yeah, every public school I had ever attended had pretty much given up on me, as well.

    I have a very low opinion of the American public education system. It is not designed to teach its students anything except how to follow orders and to fit into what society thinks they should be. Students with emotional and mental disabilities get eaten alive and then tossed out of systems like that without a second thought.

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    AndrewThatsMyName

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    It's worse when the student gives up on the school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FindMeCharms View Post
    I haven't been active since signing up so i thought i'd get active. So, I'm really getting sick of education in the US. My brother is a problem child (drugs attitude etc.) He doesn't do his work, and so they want to kick him out of the highschool and send him to basically a school for people like him. Which I've heard is actually alot of work even though its a place for people that don't do their work. lol

    The problem i see is that 1. its pretty bad when a school gives up on the student. 2. Its pretty bad that someone had so little faith in students that they pre-planned and built these schools.

    Another thing thats pretty ridiculous is due to his grades he's not allowed to go out to lunch. Yet he does anyways, which he's suppose to get introuble for and doesn't. Seeing as how every door in the school during the day is locked from the inside. Somehow he manages to get back into the school either through a different door or he comes in through the main door and they don't notice him. w.e. p.s. He has appoints for stuff to help with his problems and when parents go to pick him up the school can never seem to be capable of finding him.

    Now onto the more serious non-brother related stuff.

    I've watched as my old highschool (currently in college) cuts days they have off for break. Seniors are suppose to get out in may but they cut that too. These schools think adding more school days will make students learn? To make students learn they should stop hiring teachers that "teach" and start hiring teachers that don't even need to teach meaning. They present the material in such a creative and innovative way the students don't have a problem with retaining information. Just sitting in class listening to someone speak all day gets boring and your mind wonders. As the day goes on you lose more and more focus so the last classes of your day get the short end of the stick.

    In my opinion what the education system truly lacks is a sense of urgency. My parents always tell me, well they want you to be well rounded. Well rounded? Look at a typical chinese day, they have 2 math courses biology chemisty and physics all at the same time. 1 chinese language class and 1 english language class and I think 2 electives. I think the chinese get it. In my opinion we need to focus more so on the Technology Driven economy more so then being "well rounded." Congrats you know who Ghandi is. Can you tell me how to program a device to control everything in my house? Cause if you can make that, you'd get pretty rich. Its so much easier to get rich with technological innovations then any other field of study imo. People love technology, even the smallest things will get you money.

    So all and all this is more like a rant, I could have probably though it out better and explained it clearer but...ya....thanks for reading if you made it all the way through.
    The need for schools for "problem children" came out of the lack of parents. In the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s, people were the same. Some kids wanted to do drugs/join gangs/be class clowns, whatever, but we had a system that supported a parent parenting their child. This was expected in society, you see.



    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly Mage View Post
    If a foreign power did to the American education system what our government has done over the past 40 years, it would constitute an act of war.
    Really, really, really well-said. I agree.



    Quote Originally Posted by sparkmaster View Post
    Perchance, have you considered that the public education system is not about education at all? Perhaps it is to educate the next generation of workers and soldiers that the State derives its power from?
    It comes from the Prussian military system for a reason, sparkmaster. Might I also add that it is to the State's advantage to teach children to be dependent, subservient, and without original thought?



    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzy View Post
    I agree we need a more technology based curiculum. We should have classes about basic computer repair or basic Windows (Covering why you NEED NEED NEED antivirus on windows), basic things like that. It's great that you can test well, but your knowledge is only good until you step out of the classroom, then history and economics just don't matter much to most people. I fought back for two of the four years of school by being an asshole and not doing hardly any of my work.

    Teachers need to teach like they did in Elementary school: CREATIVELY! You can't get an 8 year old to pay attention to an hour long lecture and you can't get a 16 year old to listen to those for four periods a day.
    Strongly disagree with you here, Grizzy. It is easier to train about technology than it is to train someone how to be civilized. The former takes weeks or months. The latter takes years. The Academy is--at its core--about providing a place where people can retreat away from their civil (as in, "civilian") role and enter the world of Ideas.

    The rest, which you mistakenly brand "curriculum," is training and skill-building.



    Quote Originally Posted by Shredder92 View Post
    I always hear about the poor education system in America, and it saddens me to think that the West's largest superpower can't get education right. I mean, if they can't teach the next generation correctly, it will cause a knock on effect, as the next generation won't know how to teach the generation after that.

    I currently teach part-time at a college when not at school myself, I teach 13-16 year olds, and I continuously try to either come up with new ways to teach it OR make the class funny - INTERACT with the children.

    From what I've heard about in America, banter just doesn't seem to happen in the classrooms, and I think you need at least a small level of banter, just so that the student feels relaxed enough and comfortable enough to be willing to pay attention and learn.
    It's a two-way street. The teacher must trust the student, and the student must trust the teacher. Neither has to like the other, but both must be civil. I have been thinking about classroom management--specifically, at the community college level--today, and I think I can boil this issue down to one word:

    Integrity.

    We need to return to this, when we were honest with ourselves and about what we hoped to accomplish in the Academy.

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