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    Default Need help with the Healthcare issue.

    Ok I need some realworld feedback on the different healthcare systems of the world.

    Please give me a short anecdote and an opinion of your countries Healthcare system.

    I need to prove or disprove once and for all to my brother Which healthcare system seems to work best.

    We are in America, but welcome comments from our fellows on how they deal with our system also

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    You cannot prove or disprove healthcare echelons because they come with pro's and con's. That's like trying to prove whether or not socalism or capitalism will work best, in theory, everything works best. There is a balance and each opposite interreacts with one another.

    Again. In theory, they're all fantastic ideas.

    If I had to put in my own 2 cents however, I'd go with the way Sweden handles healthcare. It's government funded and quite decentralized. It's extremely fair to the public and is payed through taxes levied by country councils. You aren't the only one to question the rank of healthcare though the general consensus seems to be Sweden has one of, if not, the best.

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    Not to undercut anyone's anecdotes from their own country but T. R. Reid's book "The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care" addresses the question in just this way. I wasn't able to find the talk that he gave that I heard the most of, but this NPR interview covers pretty much the same ground: T.R. Reid: Looking Overseas For 'Healing Of America' : NPR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    Not to undercut anyone's anecdotes from their own country but T. R. Reid's book "The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care" addresses the question in just this way. I wasn't able to find the talk that he gave that I heard the most of, but this NPR interview covers pretty much the same ground: T.R. Reid: Looking Overseas For 'Healing Of America' : NPR
    to add

    By T.R. Reid -- Five Myths About Health Care in the Rest of the World -

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    Situation in Czechia (east Europe): our healthcare system is still somewhat socialistic-oriented even in context of welfare-state tendencies of our government.
    Every citizen has to pay an obligatory insurance fee of about one tenth of average monthly wage to one of insurance companies. These insurance companies have to be estabilished as not-for-profit organisations, that is that surplus income has to be deposited for future potential healthcare expeditions. Healthcare costs us about 7 percent GDP.

    The pros:
    Almost 'free' healthcare (with mandatory entry fees of 30 czk-about 1 usd to cut down unnecessary wasteful use of healthcare), even concerning specialized examinations - CT, MRI... for all
    Cheap medicines

    The cons:
    Sub-par wages of healthcare personell
    Non-effective hospital managment (only weak "market forces" to cut down costs)
    The system makes a false impression that everything is free and available and the patient is entitled to everything.
    If a patient wants some special services, such as a second opinion on his/her diagnosis, there is no official way to get it and pay for it (except friends of friends... :-)

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    All I know is when I was able to go to a doctor they all said I was to young to be in pain and would not help me. Now I can't go to a doctor so I just have to take care of pain my own way.

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    I think the system we have in Canada works o.k., although getting a non-urgent surgery (hip replacement ranks high up there) can be a pain, and in some cities getting a family physician is not exactly easy. But, to be honest, I think not having to deal whit insurance companies actually give us more freedom on how we can get treated. Doctors are very independent, and I have never heard of someone being denied a non-experimental treatment due to a government bureaucrat, but I sure have heard of peoples being denied treatment due to an insurance company.

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    All in all, I'm very happy with the NHS in Britain.

    I don't have a great amount of personal experience to relate but whenever I have had to make use of the services they've been first rate. The staff have been excellent, attentive and very competent, and the facilities sound. The last time I wanted to see my GP I rang up one morning and got an appointment for that afternoon. Obviously some people have bad experiences and it's not perfect by any means but from what I've seen first hand and what from what friends and family have related I really can't have too many complaints.

    I'm also very happy with the structure of the NHS and the knowledge that healthcare is free at the point of use, meaning that people don't have to worry about costs when there are far more important things to be concerned with and that everybody has access to quality care when they need it. Further, I am quite content to support that through taxation as I think the situation and principle is well worth the price. Talking of the price, the statistics show that the NHS is actually run fairly efficiently and has a relatively low cost compared to some systems. There's room for improvement of course; waiting lists have come down a lot with decent funding for the system but can still be a problem for some and there are, I understand, some issues of unequal provision between different PCTs. I'm also a little sceptical about the changes in management structures and the moves towards foundation hospitals. As I say though, my experiences have been nothing but good and I really think that on the whole the NHS is something to be genuinely proud of, as do most in this country as there is very broad public support for it.

    So, yep, one satisfied beneficiary of a nationalised healthcare system here.

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    Thank you for your input.

    Its nice to hear from people who are actualy living in a unified NHS. Hear in the states itwould seem that the "right wing" will dote the people with lies and misinformation just to try to stop somethin the good the "left" is trying to do.

    It pains me to to know that a political party would put the profit of a mega insurance compnay of the health of a child, but thats polo-tics.

    I would like to hear more from anyone outside the US.

    SIDENOTE: I have no intention of arguing for or against the current US NHS proposal. I only want to hear stories of peoples experience and their opinion on the system. No propganda, no trying to prove your points or opinions. Just stories. Thanks again for those who have shared with me it is very helpful in both for my perspective and in my argument with my brother.

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    I've had a lot of experience with the NHS in England, and have been very happy with the care I received.

    I was born with a cataract in my left eye, meaning I had to have several operations while still in my infancy to rectify it. They had to basically remove the lens of the eye, leaving me with very little sight in it. A cataract at birth is very different to one that develops later in life - it has had chance to mature and grow; they are much more serious and much harder to treat.

    After this operation, my parents received large amounts of specialist help, including a fairly agressive programme to encourage sight in the eye. This involved me having a patch over my right (good) eye for several hours a day, leaving me almost blind much of the time. This was eased off as it became very intrusive, especially at nursery.

    This was stopped, mainly at the request of my parents, and our specialist doctor put me on another course - specially made contact lenses that tried to replace the lens that had been removed, but because my brain was 'configured' to only use sight from my right eye, this had very little effect, so we stopped that treatment.

    After that they eased me off checkups, bringing me back about once a year, but one day I noticed I was seeing strange colours in my sight, when I was about 8. I should explain the status of my sight at the time - I could see colours, and basic shapes. In that eye alone it was probably enough sight to walk down a street, and not walk into a lamp post - but most definitely not enough to read. I went to school as normal, but to my surprise, mid lesson my dad came to pick me up. He rang the hospital and was able to book an appointment for the same day, which is very impressive considering how the media here is always complaining about 6 month waiting lists (which I should point out are rare, and only for non vital surgeries).

    Our specialist (Mr. Woon, the same ophthalmologist I had since my cataract) quickly diagnosed that I had a detached retina. I had 3 major operations to correct this, which were arranged very quickly. My first operation was arranged for within 2 weeks of my appointment. It was a 5 hour operation, which resulted in me missing 3 weeks of school. The second operation was less serious, but still with general anaesthetic, lasted 3 hours and meant I missed 2 weeks of school. Once again I was immensely pleased with the care I received (well, actually I wasn't at the time!).

    Apart from one minor operation to remove a plastic band, my eye seemed trouble free, so once again they decreased the frequency of my checkups, this time reducing it to once every 6 months. This was fine until about two and a half years ago, when they noticed an abnormal high pressure on my left eye. I was offered various treatments, including operations which would have saved what little sight I had left, but I opted to take eye drops to try and calm the pressure. I have since lost all sight in the eye, but this doesn't really bother me; it doesn't cause me too much pain, and the sight I had wasn't worth keeping.

    I'm just glad that my sight in my right eye is okay - although I am short sighted in it. All in all I'm really pleased with the quality of care I received, and am thankful for the NHS!

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