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    Question Accupuncture induced incontinence

    Hey There

    I've been doing some research and it appears there is a strong connection between accupuncture and the bladder....I've done quite a bit of reading and it looks like an acupuncturist can trigger the bladder in different ways....

    Has anyone seen an acupuncturist to alter their bladder function?

    What was the results?

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    are you talk about regaining control or losing it? Since once again a doctor at least a good one will NOT take part in helping destroying the human body.

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    I had accupuncture for 6 months (twice a week) and I never felt nor heard about any of this.

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    Even if a doctor could induce incontinence with acupuncture, he never would. It goes against oaths they have to take in order to become a doctor. To fix the bladder is a different story though.

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    Mako

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    A doctor would never do it if there was a way. Acupuncture isn't fully understood. Though the popular hypothesis' around why it works or seemingly works would not ever provide this effect, short of just stabbing your bladder until its damaged enough not to function properly.

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    There are certain lines in your hands and around your knees that trigger various reactions of/to your bladder. If you go in there with a point that your bladder isn't working properly....IE you don't have to pee until its almost too late....like an underactive bladder....I wonder if they can work their oriental magic and fix it?

    Oh - and they don't use the needles actually on or around your bladder :P
    Last edited by Peachy; 24-Oct-2009 at 15:27. Reason: merging double post - use "edit" button!

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    Mako

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInMyHead View Post
    There are certain lines in your hands and around your knees that trigger various reactions of/to your bladder. If you go in there with a point that your bladder isn't working properly....IE you don't have to pee until its almost too late....like an underactive bladder....I wonder if they can work their oriental magic and fix it?


    Quote Originally Posted by LostInMyHead View Post
    Oh - and they don't use the needles actually on or around your bladder :P
    There's no solid and consistent evidence to support this. The only area that shows statistical anomaly is in regards to pain, but the placement of the needles is still undetermined to actually matter. In many cases it hasn't, but it's difficult to test due to the impossibility to perform a double blind test.

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    eric007

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    Go and study Traditional Chinese Medicine ... sure there is some sort of certified insitute somwhere in your area - or go to hong kong...
    takes around 4-6 years... that way if it doesn't work for what you planed you'll at least have learned a lot

    sorry - not wanting to make fun of you or your wish - but the thing is this...
    I mean every urologist / surgeon can place a stent to inside your bladder-sphincter. (super flexible thingy placed usually inside of veins, urethra, etc.).
    Or demage the sphincter by cutting it. basically both will make you 24/7 inco - permanently.... it doesn't take acupuncture and would work for sure.
    But honestly, no REAL GOOD Doc' would ever do this... should it become public he'll be out of his job and quite possible paying a huge fine in addition to the job-loss.
    I'm sure there are some who will do just about EVERYTHING for the right amount of money... hard to find but history has proven, that people can be very greedy.

    Then again I would honestly question the wish to become incontinent.
    I am (and have been since I was 6) a bedwetter... mate, I'm 30 by now and still wet the bed almost every night. Look, it's not like I don't like my diapers or that I can't handle the bedwetting (in over 20 years you learn to live with just about everything).
    But if tomorrow a magic-genie would pop out of my morning coffee and offer me to get "rid" of my bedwetting - I wouldn't hesitate to have it gone for good (the bedwetting, not the genie). Thing is, after countless visits to medical specialists, several years of trying to find a working drug without side effects that bother me too much - there seems nothing to be done about my wetting and I'm OK about it.

    So I ask you - what hinders you to just wear diapers 24/7... wet them as you go.
    after a couple of years your bladder will have shrunken & shriveled to the size of a bloody peanut.... you'll not be able to hold it in for long, once you get the first slight urge to go... you'll be as dependent on diapers as most inco people are. you'll most likely never will void without knowing - but without a toilet close by, the diaper will be your only chance unless you're on good terms with pain.

    Mate, think twice... i can partially understand your wish to be 24/7... believe me.
    I've been there once myself during my late teen-age years. I've been quite diaper-obsessed at the time, they made (and still make) me feel so god damn secure and comfy... Relaxed.... and I wanted that feeling 24/7. I wanted the convenience of not having to seek for a toilet 24/7 - just be able to let it go wherever I wanted...
    I've tried to get there by studying hypnosis, autogenic training, etc... I actually got the point where I managed to make my already "problematic" night wetting a bigger issue... obviously I peed a lot more at night... and I had constant urges during the day (not nice). Then I somehow stopped trying the get 24/7 and was still stuck with my bedwetting...
    Later when I was around 21 - I had a nasty UTI (damn painful, let me tell you) and as a side effect (not sure if the initial infection & resulting pain and constant irritation and the medication was the trigger): DAY INCONTINENCE.
    At first I would feel the need to go basically constantly (normal with a UTI)... and I started to dribble constantly.... then when I felt the need to go, if I didn't make it close to a toilet I was peeing myself. The first time this happened was a VERY EMBARRASSING situation - being on a public bus, stuck for two more hours, without a toilet... khaki coloured pants.
    I had to wear diapers during the day too... for almost 7 month this didn't seem to get any better and the docs were quite clueless..
    it took me almost a year to make a long story short to fully recover.
    Well fully not really - I kept a quite weak bladder... meaning these days when I ride on a bus or train or have to fly or drive my car for a couple of hours, not knowing how quickly I can get to a toilet I wear a diaper. Sure it's convenient too... but it isn't fun.
    24/7 btw sucks if you ARE dependent on the diapers and have no control about the wetting at all.. There are just so many situations where you'd wish to be able to be "save" without diapers... Gym? yeah - lovely... you'll get used to it though... Running? diapers are a true PITA (believe me... I go running twice a week for 75 minutes each... do that with some diapers chafing at the inside of your legs... it gets better with time but never "nice"). Ever seen those public announcements at swimming pools (No incon. people...), Ever been sitting in a restaurant suddenly noticing your diaper is LEAKING... yeah, lovely, right? Or been at a family reunion, suddenly noticing your diaper leaks? (I Was lucky and could change before anyone noticed... and on black pants it doesn't really show up).
    Or a hot +35c Summer at the beach... well forget it, it's not happening unless you're keen on diapers under swimming trunks and the question as why don't you go in for a swim... Or that mountaineering tour you had planed on being part of... well let the others have some fun without you... as taking enough diaper supplies for 10 days along in your back pack ain't gonna happen anytime soon...
    The list is LONG for the average joe - and even longer if you're socially active, sporty, and love to travel.
    The bedwetting alone puts some serious "strain" on travelling (backpacking, youth hostels, etc...) but if you have to carry diapers for the whole day ( you'll go through 3-5 diapers depending on the diapers + 1 Heavy Night time diaper , fluid intake and your "habits")... so that is at least 4-5 diapers a day (including the night).. so for a two week holiday plan on taking along 70 diapers (that's A HUGE BOX...)...
    And even if you go with cheap diapers - that's gonna cost you a good amount of money, day by day by day.
    And chances exist that your health care will not cover everything...

    And all of that for what? for the ability to wear diapers 24/7??
    aye, well worth it... Not.

    I mean, just bloody wear 24/7 if that is what you want. nae harm done, eh?
    and comes the day you need / want to stop - depending on how long you were 24/7 and how quickly/frequently you did wet it might take you a couple of weeks to be completely out of diapers again... and that's it, no remorse, no problem, no freaky issues to deal with.

    if you're not comfortable with peeing whenever/wherever you are, try hypnosis... it doens't work magic, but can help you to relax in certain situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mako View Post
    There's no solid and consistent evidence to support this. The only area that shows statistical anomaly is in regards to pain, but the placement of the needles is still undetermined to actually matter. In many cases it hasn't, but it's difficult to test due to the impossibility to perform a double blind test.
    Actually, a double-blind was performed. These special opaque cups were used that masked the skin, and some of the cups had a fake skin membrane that felt real to the practitioner. So when fake skin cups were used, there was no actual acupuncture done, and neither the practitioner nor the subject knew. Turns out, no effect at all.

    There have been other double-blinds as well, using "sham acupuncture", where the needles were basically randomly inserted by drunken monkeys. Turns out that "real acupuncture" is just as effective as "sham acupuncture".

    So, given that there is no operational hypothesis for how acupuncture may work, and experimental results show that it's no more effective than a placebo, it's safe to conclusively say that acupuncture is complete bullshit.

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    Zpeed

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    not to mention that if a person got incontinent by acupuncture he could sue the person responsible, not like "you" would do that...

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