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    I don't know if this is happening as bad as here, but I'll give you a portrait of the scenery here.
    There is a fight between if A southern part of Bulgaria can be called Macedonia. Historically, 3/4ths of what is Macedonia resides in Greece. Personally, I don't care what you call it. Most people have suggested a Hybrid name such as ''Northen Province of Macedonia'' or 'Macedonian Republic of Bulgaria''. (I kind of agree with this.)
    However, from both countries, there seems to have been a giant rise in people affiliated with Extreme Right Parties (e.g The Golden Dawn party of Greece) that promote racism, homophobia, and violence.
    I've also noticed that more and more people seem to be open about claiming to be Nazis. (or at least, as they put it, Nationaly concered socialists. Same damn thing)
    So, what I'm saying, over here, there seems to be a rise in Nazism and Ultranationalism. Whats happening out there? Do you agree with Neo Nazism? Do you disagree?

    Open discussion, anarchy mode. But keep it on the subject, losely. Don't go too offtopic.

    Commence.


    Brainfood :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysi_Avyi (it claims the party has discontinued. I can't be bored to re-edit that. Also has some facts wrong, such as percentage in voting, but Nevermind, it gives an idea of what the Golden dawn party of greece is)

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    I'm having a little trouble with your phrasing; Bulgaria has nothing to do with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, does it? I'm not too clued up on contemporary Balkan politics.

    I don't truly see how either the Slavs or the modern-day Greeks can claim cultural dibs on the region that was once, thousands of years ago, Macedon. For one, neither group is that related with the ancient Macedonians in any real way. Secondly, a whole, independent, 'Greek' Macedonia hasn't existed since the end of the Antigonid dynasty.

    As for the topic of ultra-nationalism, I don't really believe it's making a big comeback. There are small groups that occasionally raise a panic, but they've always existed and have always failed to make a major impact post-WW2. So long as a people aren't in dire straits, most won't turn to their backs on mainstream politics. As for Nazism proper, that's definitely not going to be making a comeback any time soon. The general consensus that the Nazis kind of sucked remains strong.

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    I don't truly see how either the Slavs or the modern-day Greeks can claim cultural dibs on the region that was once, thousands of years ago, Macedon. For one, neither group is that related with the ancient Macedonians in any real way. Secondly, a whole, independent, 'Greek' Macedonia hasn't existed since the end of the Antigonid dynasty.
    True, both races have mixed far too much over time. Actually, not only both, but all the balkan people. (Not to mention 400 years of Turkish occupation! That also plays a big role in the mixing of the population). I'm inclined to agree with you on this.
    I'm also not too informed on the situation either, I might have got a country wrong, and I plead guilty on that. Sorry.
    But the aim of this topic wasn't to solve the Macedonian crisis the Balkans are facing. However, I thank you for your contribution, which I found interesting.

    But back on topic, I'm glad that the situation isn't as bad as it seems to be. Perhaps this whole thing is a fad, created by the media of Greece to get your avg. guided sheep all hyped up and patriotic, and as a result ignore the problems this country is currently facing. (But thats a different story, I don't feel like indulging in this, it makes me sound like a Nationalist *shivers* )

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    The ultra-nationalistic parties of east europe such as I think what roughly translates to "Iron Cross" in Romania are quite frightening.

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    True, both races have mixed far too much over time. Actually, not only both, but all the balkan people. (Not to mention 400 years of Turkish occupation! That also plays a big role in the mixing of the population). I'm inclined to agree with you on this.
    Ah yes, those Ottomans sure did get around. We also have to remember the hundred of years of Roman control of the region directly after the end of the Antigonid dynasty I referred to earlier, as well.

    I've never been too fond of any group that tries to push cultural or historical 'heritage'. The fact of the matter is that the modern world, at least as far as Europe is concerned, is far too mixed for that. And besides, people today should be seeking greater unity, not trying to highly petty differences.

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    i saw a frightening clip on current tv that showed a rise in ultranationalism (neo nasi's with a sorry excuse) in russia. it showed the typical 18-24 year olds going through training camps and beating up foreign people in russia. sadly, the video clips that you saw were actually posted by them on youtube like sites and you could see them in the documentary gloating about it.

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