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    YouTube - ObamaCare Yay Or Nay? The Truth About Canada!

    Seems a little bit more real and non scripted then "Sicko" which had many edits. I have watched Sicko too despite what some of you many of thought. :P

    Anyways this video is a pretty good watch I think. Though I think you Canadian ADISCer's can just skip it.

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    Darkfinn

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    The real question is...

    Is slow healthcare better than none at all? Those of us who do not have health coverage would gladly wait a week to go see the doctor... right now we can't see anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkfinn View Post
    The real question is...

    Is slow healthcare better than none at all? Those of us who do not have health coverage would gladly wait a week to go see the doctor... right now we can't see anyone.
    Watch from 10:19 to 12:35


    Not when you still lose not one of your legs but both due to lack of care. pay 10-45% more in taxes, and only god knows how much the US will tax for it. We both know the US loves to over spend on every single thing they do anyhow.

    Plus American's love to pay a lot of money for what we consider luxuries. Cable/dish, soda's, smoking, fast food, diapers even. I know that you buy a lot of quality diapers to support your so far non-medical need of wearing 24/7, not only for yourself but your girlfriend as well.

    The point there is that pretty much all of us here on Adisc can cut back on some things in order to afford other important things.

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    Darkfinn

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    That depends on what you believe is important in your life.

    Smokes, food, booze, a fancy car, a big TV, pets, yes... even diapers. People worldwide spend money on all of these things... so they can be happy. What good is life if you can't enjoy it?

    I'm not worried about the people that could afford healthcare if they wanted it... I am worried about grandma who has to choose between food and medicine every month... or the single mother of twins who fell and broke her leg in the kitchen, who is now at risk of losing her house because she can't pay the hospital bills...

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    Most Canadians will probably like the Canadian system better. We tend to see it more as a human-rights issue, that everyone should have access to health care. Even if sometimes treatment is a bit slower then in the USA its better late then never, and our life-expentancy is still a few years longer. That being said, I think health care in European countries like France and the Netherlands is much better then Canada. If the US is going to adopt a unversial health care system I think they should copy them rather then ours. :doctor:

    I don't see why the rich people in the USA are so concerned about universal health care, they will still be able to just fly to another country and pay for treatment right away if worse comes to worse.

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    Even with "universal" healthcare there will be plans available for those with the financial means to allow them to see a doctor immediately. The primary concern should be providing basic care for those that cannot afford it.

    I love our nation... we feed and provide free medical care to millions of people in 3rd world countries... but we cannot provide the same thing for people within our own borders. How many kids in the USA go to bed hungry every night while we spend billions to feed and clothe citizens of other nations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aj1983 View Post
    Most Canadians will probably like the Canadian system better. We tend to see it more as a human-rights issue, that everyone should have access to health care. Even if sometimes treatment is a bit slower then in the USA its better late then never, and our life-expentancy is still a few years longer.
    Some times late is just that to late. I think the video I posted talked about a old guy he waited 9 hours in a waiting room and died since he did not get any treatment. As for the frence or UK methods in the movie Sicko they interviewed a american who broke his leg while trying to walk on his hands on abby road. He went to the hospitasl with his friend and they patched him up for free, well free for him.

    Who paid for that guy's medical bills if he didn't? I find it funny that the people who support Darwinism and whatnot are the same people who want "free" health care for all. Do they just forget about the who survival of the fittest thing?

    I am not saying we should leave the homeless and poor people out in the cold to die and wither away. But I think it's a bit insane to try and cover every single person under a national health care plan when we already spent nearly 2 trillion dollars within the past year alone. The people spending it also seem to be the same ones who bitched and whined about 700 billion dollars being spent on the whole Iraq war.

    "Give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime." We need to open up the job market more, stop being to modest to take a certain job etc and with that people would most likely be able to afford health care. Also to offset costs, we should offer little to no healthcare to prisoners or at least to the death row inmates. Why keep them alive just to kill them later on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    "Give a man a fish he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime."
    Light a man a fire and he will be warm for the night... light a man afire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

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    aj1983

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    Some times late is just that to late. I think the video I posted talked about a old guy he waited 9 hours in a waiting room and died since he did not get any treatment.
    Yeah that kind of stuff does happen, but im guessing it happens in the USA and everywhere else too. Think of the millions of hospitol visits that go well though.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    Who paid for that guy's medical bills if he didn't? I find it funny that the people who support Darwinism and whatnot are the same people who want "free" health care for all. Do they just forget about the who survival of the fittest thing?
    I see you're point there, I'd think for cases where someone did something really dumb and hurt themselves they should have to cover at least some of the costs, lol. And the darwinists that support universal health care also find it funny the christian-right doesn't want to help the poor and treat all people equally (and for the record with was the christian-left in Canada that gave us health care, didn't have anything to do with atheists really).



    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    I am not saying we should leave the homeless and poor people out in the cold to die and wither away.
    But that kind of stuff sadly happens in the USA, hospital's have just dumped poor people out on the streets before.


    Anyways, this is just one of those left-wing vs right-wing issues we will never agree on, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    Not when you still lose not one of your legs but both due to lack of care.
    Yeah, medical nightmares happen. The economic system behind how the doctors get their paychecks isn't going to change that. I hear about similar stuff happening all the time in the US.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    pay 10-45% more in taxes, and only god knows how much the US will tax for it. We both know the US loves to over spend on every single thing they do anyhow.
    We don't pay that much in taxes. We only pay slightly more on average than you do, and we actually pay a lot less if you add what you pay in medical insurance.



    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    Plus American's love to pay a lot of money for what we consider luxuries. Cable/dish, soda's, smoking, fast food, diapers even. I know that you buy a lot of quality diapers to support your so far non-medical need of wearing 24/7, not only for yourself but your girlfriend as well.

    The point there is that pretty much all of us here on Adisc can cut back on some things in order to afford other important things.
    I think it's not just the people who don't have insurance, it's the people who HAVE insurance and think they're covered only to be told that condition X isn't being paid for.

    Basically, this entire video is a bunch of crap. If in the US, you decided to walk in to a hospital emergency room on a Sunday because you think you may have hurt your wrist, give vague symptoms that sound like carpal tunnel syndrome and tell the triage nurse that it's not really urgent, and you're walking fine and speaking clearly without any sign of pain at all, how long before you leave? If you just walk in to a random doctor's office without making an appointment or anything and ask for a cholesterol test, will your insurance make that happen faster? I had to get a cholesterol test done not that long ago (about a year and a half?), and I called to make an appointment. Had an appointment later that week, got the slip to give the people at the medical lab where they drew the blood and took a urine sample, and I was on my way.

    Oh, and the 1 clinic they tried wasn't open on a Sunday afternoon. I bet you I could go to any city in the US and find a doctor's office that isn't open on Sunday afternoon. I could also find GP's that aren't accepting more patients because they already have as many as they can handle. Should I do that and declare the US medical system a failure?

    I've worked in private insurance. Yes, we have that up here in Canada. It covers things like prescription glasses, medication, wheelchairs, etc. I dealt with a LOT of nurses. I also know a few in my personal life. I can tell you one thing that I know for certain about every nurse in Canada - they are whiners who complain about everything. Even when they were dealing with the best medical coverage plan in the damn country, they still complained about how terrible it was and it didn't pay anything. So the little comments given by nurses in that video carry ZERO weight with me.

    You know what does carry weight with me? My experiences with our medical system. My dad had cancer. Now, my parents are wealthy enough that they could have afforded to go to the Mayo clinic and get him treated there, and that was the plan, until my parents realized the quality of care my dad was getting. Seriously, it was fantastic. Better than they could have ever hoped. His oncologist even consulted with specialists at the Mayo clinic. Level of care was top-quality, and my dad was even allowed to take medicinal marijuana for his chemo side effects. The government freaking mailed him pot because a doctor wrote a letter. His latest MRI & blood tests confirms that the cancer is gone, and he's in better shape than he's been for as long as I've been alive, because he's taken a lot of time off to recuperate and work on getting himself healthy again. He's eating properly, exercising, getting plenty of sleep and it shows. His golf game has even improved so much that's he once joked that he should get cancer again and then try to go pro. My dad was lucky - much luckier than my grandmother was. She got pancreatic cancer and died. She spent her last few months complaining that the government was letting her die because they wouldn't give her a surgery that might save her life. Well guess what? It wasn't the government deciding not to pay for it, it was the doctors saying that it wouldn't do any good. She hadn't been to a doctor in a decade when she started having problems, so when she finally did go in, the cancer had spread to every part of her body. She was also in her late 70s and morbidly obese and had type 2 diabetes as well as a heart attack and a stroke. Nothing was going to save this woman's life. The doctors did they best they could to make her last months comfortable, but instead she saw it as the government failing to save her life.

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