Problems with throwing away disposables / are cloth nappies the way forward?

Hello!

I live in the UK and in the area I live in we have strict rubbish (trash) collection rules. Our general household waste is collected once a week and we have a small bin, this bin has to have its lid closed to be collected and the binmen will not take any additional bags.

I live with my gf and we recycle everything we can, mostly to increase the amount of space in our general household waste bin, but also on a ethical level. With just the 2 of us we often completely fill our general household waste bin each week. Soon we will have 2 more people living here, and as such we expect the amount of household waste to increase. This has caused me to worry about my disposable nappies and if there will be room in our bin for them.

I currently wear a plain white disposable nappy every evening, with 3 booster pads inside and a baby nappy taped to the front (I love the Aldi baby nappy design!). I like a bulky feel and will wet both the baby nappy and then the adult one with the pads in. As you can imagine this done every evening and a few extra times on the weekend produces a large amount of waste to fill up our bin.

I have though about investing in cloth nappies and plastic pants, as these would be washed and free up a lot of valuable bin space. But I really enjoy the squishy feeling from disposables when they are wet.

What do you think about my bin space issue?

Do you have a solution other than going with the cloth nappies?

Wold you recommend cloth nappies, and if so what combination of products would you suggest for me? I like to waddle and a big bulky nappy is always nicer than a thin discreet one.

Any ideas or input would be greatly received, thanks!

you could try talking to you counsel or who ever controls you bin size, with a Doctors note or proscription you should qualify for a second bun just for you medically required diapers.

Hi Rob, thanks for the reply!

I am not incontinent and my doctor is unaware I am an adult baby / wear nappies.

I have also spoken to my local council about the additional 2 people soon to be living here, and they will not give me a bigger bin until I have more than 7 adults living at my house.

Yep a doctor's note is probably going to be required for that angle. So there's no way for you to pay for an additional bin? Here anyway we have a choice of three bin sizes, and the larger ones cost more per month.

Thanks for the replies.

Here in the UK we pay council tax, which covers a whole host of things, rubbish collection is part of that, and as such there are no options or upgrades. I've found a company or two who do private rubbish collection, but its rather expensive and would lead to neighbours asking why, a conversation I would rather avoid.

I guess I will have to go with cloth and only use disposables for a rare treat / when I can find a public bin that is suitable enough to use.

Thanks Maxx for the cloth suggestions, I will need to look into that. What material is best for the plastic pants? I would normally wear a disposable for about 4 hours after wetting, how long would you suggest for cloth? Any tips or tricks you have picked up?

Thanks

I would try the cloth diaper with a combination of your disposable booster pad or pads. There are several pads that are quite large out there and can be enough. This way you get the squishy feel when the booster gets wet and less waste to throw out with reusable cloth diaper. Get some good feeling plastic pants and you have a plan. Just realize your laundry quantity will increase a bit as diapers are large and require some time to dry.

I'm a cloth kid! I can help! I think. I hope--maybe. See, there's no cookies in cloth. I mean, you're starting more from scratch, so getting what you need isn't a problem, but because it's your nappy, and not Joe Public's there isn't a cookie cutter. Let's play a game of, "What sounds best for you?"

Side, or front closure?
Hook and loop, or poppers?
Mess, or no mess?

Would you like to crinkle really loudly? If so, PEVA pants, or, there's a new vinyl, that's supposed to be machine dryable, called ProCare, but, you might have trouble finding it. Here's the deal on old school plastic pants. They mayn't leak, but, also, don't move well, and can be super tight around the legs. I mean, leave marks tight. Ouchiboo, baby, if you're not careful what you buy.

PUL is most comfy, and what most cloth clad biobabies wear.

Bamboo is very absorbent, like, really absorbent, and if you like squish, you want a fabric with bamboo in it, and, oh, it's so soft but, like all natural fibers, the natural oils have to be stripped out first. First generation Zorb is squishy, and foamy. For natural fibers, boiling works, but don't try it with synthetics!

Oh, gosh, there's so much else but I'd like to hear more from you, first.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJbZRt9z-sI[/video]

Barnboy said:

I would try the cloth diaper with a combination of your disposable booster pad or pads. There are several pads that are quite large out there and can be enough. This way you get the squishy feel when the booster gets wet and less waste to throw out with reusable cloth diaper. Get some good feeling plastic pants and you have a plan. Just realize your laundry quantity will increase a bit as diapers are large and require some time to dry.

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Thanks Barnboy, good idea about the booster pad, but for me its the feeling of the gel inside the nappy when i touch it with my hand, that soft squishy puffy feeling. I think good plastic pants will make the difference, and yeah more laundry for me! Thinking a nappy bin with a sealed lid to store the wet ones in until laundry day.

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SpAzpieSweeTot said:

I'm a cloth kid! I can help! I think. I hope--maybe. See, there's no cookies in cloth. I mean, you're starting more from scratch, so getting what you need isn't a problem, but because it's your nappy, and not Joe Public's there isn't a cookie cutter. Let's play a game of, "What sounds best for you?"

Side, or front closure?
Hook and loop, or poppers?
Mess, or no mess?

Would you like to crinkle really loudly? If so, PEVA pants, or, there's a new vinyl, that's supposed to be machine dryable, called ProCare, but, you might have trouble finding it. Here's the deal on old school plastic pants. They mayn't leak, but, also, don't move well, and can be super tight around the legs. I mean, leave marks tight. Ouchiboo, baby, if you're not careful what you buy.

PUL is most comfy, and what most cloth clad biobabies wear.

Bamboo is very absorbent, like, really absorbent, and if you like squish, you want a fabric with bamboo in it, but, like all natural fibers, the natural oils have to be stripped out first. First generation Zorb is squishy, and foamy. For natural fibers, boiling works, but don't try it with synthetics!

Oh, gosh, there's so much else but I'd like to hear more from you, first.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pJbZRt9z-sI[/video]

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Thanks for the detailed reply! A cloth kid! Exactly who I need to speak with!

I just noticed when I clicked "Reply with Quote" there is more to your message then is shows above....weird?

Ok so first of all not sure about closure, I like the tape at the sides of disposables, and I wear quite tight and snug, helps with leaking and feels nice and comforting.

Definitely hook & loop over poppers, although love them on the babygrow / vest with poppers at the crotch.

Occasional mess, maybe once or twice a month, very wet every time.

I have read the rules of the forum and don't want to break them, but lets just say the crinkle sound and squishy feeling are important for me and my gf for adult bedroom reasons. For the same reasons the whole nappy / plastic pant situation needs to be fairly hard wearing and not liable to break easily or rip with a lot of movement.

Bamboo sounds great for booster pads.

Looking forward to your reply!

This is actually a message I gave another ADISCer.

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Buying cloth is buying equipment. I've never bought a car, but I've been fitted for a lot of wheelchairs, so, I'll compare it to that, instead. If it helps you to think car buying, go ahead, though. In both cases, becoming a rehabilitation technology specialist, or a Clothologist, and a youologist, respectively, help. Know yourself, and the materials you use, well.

With, or without a staydry top layer, cloth will feel different than a disposable. With a Staydry top layer, you'll feel less annoyingly clammy, though. For staydry you have microfleece, athletic wicking polyester, suede cloth, and minky. All of those, unless I'm sadly mistaken, are polyester fabrics. Within the staydry wicking polyester group, what kind is it? There're interlocks, jerseys, piquès, meshes, and even something called an ottoman fabric. Are we upholstering fancy footrests?

As guts, I'd go with Zorb, Gen. 1, for the, "It's. . . So. . . Fluffy," factor, and Gen. 3D, dimple, because it absorbs quickly, and holds well. If you're a germaphobe, like me, get the SILVADUR stuff. It actually has a bit of silver in it. I'd get the black, as it won't show staining. Go with the staydry as a top, if you're like me. The Gen. 1 has to be quilted between something, as it can't touch the skin, but, that's what the 3D stuff is for. I'd also put some 3D Bamboo Dimple, and some 3D Organic Cotton Dimple, in mine, too. Zorb 3D is backed in wicking interlock, which is only a medium performance fabric, but if you wanted Wazoodle's best wicker, you could sew some ProCOOL Piquè on top, unless the waffle weave would bother you.

Bamboo, cotton and hemp, have natural oils in them. Boiling those out is a quick way to go. Wazoodle sells Ready To AbZorb, which is basically pre-prepped, apart from a wash or 2, to shrink it, and fluffify it.

For waterproofing, a fabric, usually polyester, is bonded to a polyurethane. Okay, deep breath. Now, don't let people confuse you. In the beginning, polyurethane laminate was chemically bonded. Now, most polyurethane laminate is heat bonded. Some people call the new stuff thermoplastic polyurethane. All TPU is PUL, but not all PUL is TPU. Does that make sense? It comes in 1 millimeter, and 2 millimeter. I'd go 1 mil for anything wearable, and 2 for wetbags, changing mats, or, anything where a bit thicker, and stiffer, is better.

There're 2 major players I'd consider, ECOPUL, and ProSoft. ECOPUL is dimpled on the polyurethane side, supposedly for better breathability, and is a bit stiffer. ProSoft is the softest and quietest, so, I'm going with it. I'd never buy Babyville PUL. It's been chemically stiffened, so it's easier to sew with. You can wash PUL hot, up to 165 degrees for ProSoft, but, dry heat melts it, so, medium. Okay? Watch your snaps. They'll melt, too. Any non-synthetic fabric, can be washed rocket hot, so long as you don't mind it shrinking. Most people go medium. No chlorine bleach or synthetic fabric softener.

Unless you have the softest, or best conditioned, water on the face of the planet, use real detergent. Don't worry, your diapers will be fine. The problem with cloth diaper, tree hugger, detergent is, the surfactants either don't exist, or are the ones used in soaps. If you have the softest, or best conditioned, water on earth, soap will wash out. If not, it'll leave scum, or the waste won't wash out, and you'll need to strip them, often. Just watch it. Some detergents are all cancery, asthmay, and reproductive health changingy. Not sure in what amounts.

Now, styles. I seriously doubt you wanna fold adult flats. Good googlywoogly, that's a lot of fabric! Soooo, prefolds. They dry relatively quickly, but require a cover, and pins, or Boingos. Those are stretchy, with little fabric grabbing teeth, that hold the diaper on.

A contour is a prefold, with notches cut out for the legs. Some sellers elasticate the legs, some don't, but, they still require all the same things as prefolds.

A fitted is a contour, with elastic in the legs, and, at least, the back. They tend to have longer wings, and can be closureless, or, most often, snapped, but, I suppose, hook and loop could happen. A fitted still needs a cover.

An elasticated, hook and loop or snapped, cover, with a fabric pocket to stuff absorbency in, is a pocket diaper. This is where you can start looking for double leg gussets.

An All-in-2, is an outer cover with a snap in absorbent insert, again with the hook and loop, or snaps. These dry quicker than all in ones. Double gussets, double gussets, double gussets, unless you trust your farts. Maybe that's a me thing. The sposie term is leak guards, though, sooo.

Finally, all in ones. Think cloth sposie. They can take forever to dry. There're interesting things in the baby cloth market now, though. Tongue style soakers, only sewn in on one side, to speed drying time, for example. Don't buy from someone you don't trust, as, they can be sieves, if the PUL isn't sealed around the edges. Watch your PUL. It can delaminate. Take care of it. Remember. How many leg gussets?

Also, you can create a leg gusset with a prefold, by jelly roll folding it. Fitteds, and the right contours, have their own, too. A cover with a single leg elastic is fine, for those instances, as long as all absorbency is tucked in. Tuck in; tuck in; tuck in that absorbency! If not, it'll wick, and your clothes will get wet.

That reminds me, rolled elastic is. . . Grr! It wicks onto clothes, way easier than cased elastic, or fold-over elastic.

The athletic wicking mesh works well in swim diapers, but, swim diapers cause adults some specific issues. The only thing they're meant for is containing code browns. Double gussets, double gussets, double gussets! Did you hear a squawking parrot? Thought I did. Anyway, containing poop is fine, unnnnntil you're standing in line at the water park, and leak pee, or wanna wear it ahead of beach time, to save a step, and soak your car's good seats. A toddler prefold inside is one way to buy that short an amount of time. Just remove, and wetbag the toddler prefold, before entering the water. Do not get a pull-up swim diaper! Most tarded thing ever! They hold poop.

Babyville PUL might work for you, Geoffie, because it is stiffer, or, that ProCare I talked about. Since you like front closure, put a bit of hook and loop on the hip. Wing droop is evil! Crossover closure helps the baby look.
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Keep in mind, this was originally a message to an American, so, for washing, Americans don't do Celsius. I have no idea how pricey Wazoodle fabrics would be, in the UK. I'll look that up for you. If you can't find Wazoodle fabrics, fear not. There is PUL in the UK, too, but if you want ProCare, you may have to dig. I didn't mention microfiber, because, it absorbs a lot, and I mean a lot, but has a very high press out. If you use it, sandwich it in something that locks wetness away well, because of the High press out, and, because, microfiber can't touch the skin. If you just cannot find anything Zorb, try bamboo/organic cotton fleece, and charcoal bamboo.

For your purposes, I recommend night weight, Mr., "I like big fluff, and I cannot lie.":lol: AbFab textiles has Wazoodle fabrics, but, only the ProSoft,1st and 2nd generation Zorb, and 1st generation microfiber terry. Okay by you, more fluff! Just be careful it doesn't bow your hips.

Crack, not back. Put the wings barely above your hips. Don't be scared when this puts the front so far up it's scary. Pull the wings out, up, and over, and it'll actually fit lower than a disposable. The, "out, up, and over," things actually puts it in your underoo line, but you shouldn't get leaks.

SpAzpieSweeTot said:

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Buying cloth is buying equipment. I've never bought a car, but I've been fitted for a lot of wheelchairs, so, I'll compare it to that, instead. If it helps you to think car buying, go ahead, though. In both cases, becoming a rehabilitation technology specialist, or a Clothologist, and a youologist, respectively, help. Know yourself, and the materials you use, well.

With, or without a staydry top layer, cloth will feel different than a disposable. With a Staydry top layer, you'll feel less annoyingly clammy, though. For staydry you have microfleece, athletic wicking polyester, suede cloth, and minky. All of those, unless I'm sadly mistaken, are polyester fabrics. Within the staydry wicking polyester group, what kind is it? There're interlocks, jerseys, piquès, meshes, and even something called an ottoman fabric. Are we upholstering fancy footrests?

As guts, I'd go with Zorb, Gen. 1, for the, "It's. . . So. . . Fluffy," factor, and Gen. 3D, dimple, because it absorbs quickly, and holds well. If you're a germaphobe, like me, get the SILVADUR stuff. It actually has a bit of silver in it. I'd get the black, as it won't show staining. Go with the staydry as a top, if you're like me. The Gen. 1 has to be quilted between something, as it can't touch the skin, but, that's what the 3D stuff is for. I'd also put some 3D Bamboo Dimple, and some 3D Organic Cotton Dimple, in mine, too. Zorb 3D is backed in wicking interlock, which is only a medium performance fabric, but if you wanted Wazoodle's best wicker, you could sew some ProCOOL Piquè on top, unless the waffle weave would bother you.

Bamboo, cotton and hemp, have natural oils in them. Boiling those out is a quick way to go. Wazoodle sells Ready To AbZorb, which is basically pre-prepped, apart from a wash or 2, to shrink it, and fluffify it.

For waterproofing, a fabric, usually polyester, is bonded to a polyurethane. Okay, deep breath. Now, don't let people confuse you. In the beginning, polyurethane laminate was chemically bonded. Now, most polyurethane laminate is heat bonded. Some people call the new stuff thermoplastic polyurethane. All TPU is PUL, but not all PUL is TPU. Does that make sense? It comes in 1 millimeter, and 2 millimeter. I'd go 1 mil for anything wearable, and 2 for wetbags, changing mats, or, anything where a bit thicker, and stiffer, is better.

There're 2 major players I'd consider, ECOPUL, and ProSoft. ECOPUL is dimpled on the polyurethane side, supposedly for better breathability, and is a bit stiffer. ProSoft is the softest and quietest, so, I'm going with it. I'd never buy Babyville PUL. It's been chemically stiffened, so it's easier to sew with. You can wash PUL hot, up to 165 degrees for ProSoft, but, dry heat melts it, so, medium. Okay? Watch your snaps. They'll melt, too. Any non-synthetic fabric, can be washed rocket hot, so long as you don't mind it shrinking. Most people go medium. No chlorine bleach or synthetic fabric softener.

Unless you have the softest, or best conditioned, water on the face of the planet, use real detergent. Don't worry, your diapers will be fine. The problem with cloth diaper, tree hugger, detergent is, the surfactants either don't exist, or are the ones used in soaps. If you have the softest, or best conditioned, water on earth, soap will wash out. If not, it'll leave scum, or the waste won't wash out, and you'll need to strip them, often. Just watch it. Some detergents are all cancery, asthmay, and reproductive health changingy. Not sure in what amounts.

Now, styles. I seriously doubt you wanna fold adult flats. Good googlywoogly, that's a lot of fabric! Soooo, prefolds. They dry relatively quickly, but require a cover, and pins, or Boingos. Those are stretchy, with little fabric grabbing teeth, that hold the diaper on.

A contour is a prefold, with notches cut out for the legs. Some sellers elasticate the legs, some don't, but, they still require all the same things as prefolds.

A fitted is a contour, with elastic in the legs, and, at least, the back. They tend to have longer wings, and can be closureless, or, most often, snapped, but, I suppose, hook and loop could happen. A fitted still needs a cover.

An elasticated, hook and loop or snapped, cover, with a fabric pocket to stuff absorbency in, is a pocket diaper. This is where you can start looking for double leg gussets.

An All-in-2, is an outer cover with a snap in absorbent insert, again with the hook and loop, or snaps. These dry quicker than all in ones. Double gussets, double gussets, double gussets, unless you trust your farts. Maybe that's a me thing. The sposie term is leak guards, though, sooo.

Finally, all in ones. Think cloth sposie. They can take forever to dry. There're interesting things in the baby cloth market now, though. Tongue style soakers, only sewn in on one side, to speed drying time, for example. Don't buy from someone you don't trust, as, they can be sieves, if the PUL isn't sealed around the edges. Watch your PUL. It can delaminate. Take care of it. Remember. How many leg gussets?

Also, you can create a leg gusset with a prefold, by jelly roll folding it. Fitteds, and the right contours, have their own, too. A cover with a single leg elastic is fine, for those instances, as long as all absorbency is tucked in. Tuck in; tuck in; tuck in that absorbency! If not, it'll wick, and your clothes will get wet.

That reminds me, rolled elastic is. . . Grr! It wicks onto clothes, way easier than cased elastic, or fold-over elastic.

The athletic wicking mesh works well in swim diapers, but, swim diapers cause adults some specific issues. The only thing they're meant for is containing code browns. Double gussets, double gussets, double gussets! Did you hear a squawking parrot? Thought I did. Anyway, containing poop is fine, unnnnntil you're standing in line at the water park, and leak pee, or wanna wear it ahead of beach time, to save a step, and soak your car's good seats. A toddler prefold inside is one way to buy that short an amount of time. Just remove, and wetbag the toddler prefold, before entering the water. Do not get a pull-up swim diaper! Most tarded thing ever! They hold poop.

Babyville PUL might work for you, Geoffie, because it is stiffer, or, that ProCare I talked about. Since you like front closure, put a bit of hook and loop on the hip. Wing droop is evil! Crossover closure helps the baby look.
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Keep in mind, this was originally a message to an American, so, for washing, Americans don't do Celsius. I have no idea how pricey Wazoodle fabrics would be, in the UK. I'll look that up for you. If you can't find Wazoodle fabrics, fear not. There is PUL in the UK, too, but if you want ProCare, you may have to dig. I didn't mention microfiber, because, it absorbs a lot, and I mean a lot, but has a very high press out. If you use it, sandwich it in something that locks wetness away well, because of the High press out, and, because, microfiber can't touch the skin. If you just cannot find anything Zorb, try bamboo/organic cotton fleece, and charcoal bamboo.

For your purposes, I recommend night weight, Mr., "I like big fluff, and I cannot lie.":lol: AbFab textiles has Wazoodle fabrics, but, only the ProSoft,1st and 2nd generation Zorb, and 1st generation microfiber terry. Okay by you, more fluff! Just be careful it doesn't bow your hips.

Crack, not back. Put the wings barely above your hips. Don't be scared when this puts the front so far up it's scary. Pull the wings out, up, and over, and it'll actually fit lower than a disposable. The, "out, up, and over," things actually puts it in your underoo line, but you shouldn't get leaks.

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Wow! Thats a lot of detailed info there, thanks!

I am thinking of a terry towling cloth nappy with side fastening with hook & loop. No plastic backing but to use PUL nappy covers, probably pull on or hook & loop side fastening. With many bamboo booster pads for my waddle and to be squishy!

Not too sure what you mean about the fastening and wings, would you mind messaging me a photo or 2 showing what you mean?

Also about messing, how would clean up work with cloth? At the moment its easy with disposables, mummy changes me and uses wet wipes for most of it, then its baby bath time because like you, I am a hygiene / clean freak. Can you get nappy liners like you do for baby nappies? Just wondering how to dispose of mess best.

Thinking of doing a few tests with some old towels and cheap vynal pants, using saftey pins to fasten, do you think this would be any way comparable to propper cloth nappies?

As a 24/7 wearer of disposables only, I have some experience of their bin-filling capability. I'm surprised that your one combo a day would push you over the limit though - our 110 litre wheelie never reaches anywhere near full now that we can recycle most packaging etc, although I understand a lot of areas now issue smaller bins. Many of my nappies are changed and disposed of away from home, but as a matter of course they get rolled up tightly and slid into a particular size of bag that maintains a high 'compression ratio'.

Although I do not and could not use cloth - they don't appeal and my pressurised lifestyle would make the extra laundry and logistics almost impossible - I do use liners in my disposables. The particular setup at work plus frequent travel often make it undesirable to leave messy ones in the bin, but the messes are usually too sticky to just empty out of the nappy before disposal. I have had success with both baby nappy liners such as Little Green Earthlets Ultra which are soft and thick, and / or the largest sizes of flushable dry patient wipes (usually about 28x32cm). Two are needed to contain the mess adequately, overlapping for extra strength where the bulk of the mess will land. In a disposable, they work best with two creases pressed in so that they 'slot in' between the leakguards and fold over the top of them, until they get wet and squidge permanently into position. If everything works out and I don't have to sit in the mess too much before changing, the liners lift out of the nappy with 95% or more of the mess contained inside and can be flushed away, leaving a clean or nearly clean nappy for disposal. Perhaps the most secure arrangement I found was a regular liner stuck to a dry wipe in the correct position with a tiny smear of hotmelt - not sure this would generally be worth the effort, and they do have to be separated before flushing. I only line a nappy if I think it will get messed in, or if it would be awkward to dispose of a smelly one. I carry some good quality heavy-gauge ziplocs for those!

If you don’t mess but have a garden you can compost your nappy pulp.

Hold the top of your wet nappies and gently skake them unt the fluff pulp falls into a ball, gently tear or cut open the top and pour all your pulp and crystals into a bucket (nappy buckets are great for that) and you can even shower with it between your legs.

Pour the mess into your compost or around your roses and have a great garden.

You will probably take only 10% of the Space you would have otherwise in your bin.

I also wear 24/7, yet only produce an average of 1.5 bags of diaper trash each week. It really isn't all that much, and even with the rest of my weekly household trash I never exceed having to put out just one bin for pickup. This makes me really wonder why the OP is producing so much diaper trash, especially given he isn't using diapers 24/7.

That's a lot of waste. 5 items. That's 1 regular adult nappy, 3 booster pads, and 1 baby nappy. At least 35 pieces a week.

Paxe said:

As a 24/7 wearer of disposables only, I have some experience of their bin-filling capability. I'm surprised that your one combo a day would push you over the limit though - our 110 litre wheelie never reaches anywhere near full now that we can recycle most packaging etc, although I understand a lot of areas now issue smaller bins. Many of my nappies are changed and disposed of away from home, but as a matter of course they get rolled up tightly and slid into a particular size of bag that maintains a high 'compression ratio'.

Although I do not and could not use cloth - they don't appeal and my pressurised lifestyle would make the extra laundry and logistics almost impossible - I do use liners in my disposables. The particular setup at work plus frequent travel often make it undesirable to leave messy ones in the bin, but the messes are usually too sticky to just empty out of the nappy before disposal. I have had success with both baby nappy liners such as Little Green Earthlets Ultra which are soft and thick, and / or the largest sizes of flushable dry patient wipes (usually about 28x32cm). Two are needed to contain the mess adequately, overlapping for extra strength where the bulk of the mess will land. In a disposable, they work best with two creases pressed in so that they 'slot in' between the leakguards and fold over the top of them, until they get wet and squidge permanently into position. If everything works out and I don't have to sit in the mess too much before changing, the liners lift out of the nappy with 95% or more of the mess contained inside and can be flushed away, leaving a clean or nearly clean nappy for disposal. Perhaps the most secure arrangement I found was a regular liner stuck to a dry wipe in the correct position with a tiny smear of hotmelt - not sure this would generally be worth the effort, and they do have to be separated before flushing. I only line a nappy if I think it will get messed in, or if it would be awkward to dispose of a smelly one. I carry some good quality heavy-gauge ziplocs for those!

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Hi Paxe, thanks for the info, glad to hear there are liner options, as scraping out a messy nappy and washing it by hand would not be fun! I will do some google searching and see what I can order

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Argent said:

If you don’t mess but have a garden you can compost your nappy pulp.

Hold the top of your wet nappies and gently skake them unt the fluff pulp falls into a ball, gently tear or cut open the top and pour all your pulp and crystals into a bucket (nappy buckets are great for that) and you can even shower with it between your legs.

Pour the mess into your compost or around your roses and have a great garden.

You will probably take only 10% of the Space you would have otherwise in your bin.

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Hi Argent, thanks for the idea, but this won't work with my garden situation, good thinking though as I know the gel used in nappies is the same as used in gardening to retain water for gradual watering of plants.

12srepaid said:

That's a lot of waste. 5 items. That's 1 regular adult nappy, 3 booster pads, and 1 baby nappy. At least 35 pieces a week.

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Good point, I forgot the OP likes to go way overboard with extra, extra, bulk. I was comparing his waste to my Crinklz which is the thickest diaper out there yet still produces less waste than his setup.

ABGeoffe, one possible suggestion for you. There's no way you're actually using every one of those pads, and the baby diaper, and your adult diaper. Not with just a few hours of wearing them at least. Consider reusing the ones that are still dry when you take it off. Even if you only reuse them once, that will literally cut your diaper trash in half.

Slomo said:

I also wear 24/7, yet only produce an average of 1.5 bags of diaper trash each week. It really isn't all that much, and even with the rest of my weekly household trash I never exceed having to put out just one bin for pickup. This makes me really wonder why the OP is producing so much diaper trash, especially given he isn't using diapers 24/7.

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Slomo, I think you must have a very different bin situation to me, or be using extremely small thin nappies. I wear a size large adult nappy, with 3 booster pads in and baby nappy taped to the front. Both nappies get a wetting before I get changed and sometimes are messy too. I wear every night and sometimes an additional 2 or 3 nappies over the weekends. I roll them up tightly and use the tapes to seal them shut, double bag them in scented bags to lower the smell and throw them out on bin day. They usually fill a black bin bag. My household waste bin only fits two and a half to three black bin bags of rubbish. We also recycle everything we can, which goes into a second much larger bin that the nappies are not able to go in. Hope that explains the issue a bit better

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That's a lot of waste. 5 items. That's 1 regular adult nappy, 3 booster pads, and 1 baby nappy. At least 35 pieces a week.

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Hi 12srepaid, you are correct, it soon adds up to a bag full!

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Good point, I forgot the OP likes to go way overboard with extra, extra, bulk. I was comparing his waste to my Crinklz which is the thickest diaper out there yet still produces less waste than his setup.

ABGeoffe, one possible suggestion for you. There's no way you're actually using every one of those pads, and the baby diaper, and your adult diaper. Not with just a few hours of wearing them at least. Consider reusing the ones that are still dry when you take it off. Even if you only reuse them once, that will literally cut your diaper trash in half.

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Slomo, my nappy preferences may well be 'way overboard' to you, but for me, they are just right.

To explain with a little more details, I am a large guy, I drink a lot, especially when I get home after work. I am usually in a nappy for around 6 hours before my gf changes me and we go to sleep. In that time I will wet the baby nappy to its limit and re fasten it to the outside of my adult nappy. Feeling all nice and squishy with the puffed up baby nappy, I then wet my adult nappy around 2 or 3 times, which leaves it soaked and wet enough that the bum area is soaking wet too and there have even been occasions of leaking due to there being no more soaking capacity.

Thanks for the suggestion about reusing, but this simply wont work as mentioned above, there are never any dry nappies or pads.

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Slomo, I think you must have a very different bin situation to me, or be using extremely small thin nappies. I wear a size large adult nappy, with 3 booster pads in and baby nappy taped to the front. Both nappies get a wetting before I get changed and sometimes are messy too. I wear every night and sometimes an additional 2 or 3 nappies over the weekends. I roll them up tightly and use the tapes to seal them shut, double bag them in scented bags to lower the smell and throw them out on bin day. They usually fill a black bin bag. My household waste bin only fits two and a half to three black bin bags of rubbish. We also recycle everything we can, which goes into a second much larger bin that the nappies are not able to go in. Hope that explains the issue a bit better

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Hi 12srepaid, you are correct, it soon adds up to a bag full!

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Slomo, my nappy preferences may well be 'way overboard' to you, but for me, they are just right.

To explain with a little more details, I am a large guy, I drink a lot, especially when I get home after work. I am usually in a nappy for around 6 hours before my gf changes me and we go to sleep. In that time I will wet the baby nappy to its limit and re fasten it to the outside of my adult nappy. Feeling all nice and squishy with the puffed up baby nappy, I then wet my adult nappy around 2 or 3 times, which leaves it soaked and wet enough that the bum area is soaking wet too and there have even been occasions of leaking due to there being no more soaking capacity.

Thanks for the suggestion about reusing, but this simply wont work as mentioned above, there are never any dry nappies or pads.

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That does clarify it up. Like I mentioned, I use Crinklz (also larges). These are easily the thickest diapers available out there, like by far. I also wear them 24/7, and have mentioned elsewhere I too stay very well hydrated (usually about 64oz of water per day, or just under 2 liters). With this, I go through 2 Crinklz diapers per day.

My bags and waste bins are about the same size as what you're using as well. And even with my thicker diapers they don't take up as much as you're using by combining so many smaller items. As one other possible suggestion, why not try only using one thick diaper? Apparently it produces much less waste, and honestly it's probably a heck of a lot cheaper too.

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That does clarify it up. Like I mentioned, I use Crinklz (also larges). These are easily the thickest diapers available out there, like by far. I also wear them 24/7, and have mentioned elsewhere I too stay very well hydrated (usually about 64oz of water per day, or just under 2 liters). With this, I go through 2 Crinklz diapers per day.

My bags and waste bins are about the same size as what you're using as well. And even with my thicker diapers they don't take up as much as you're using by combining so many smaller items. As one other possible suggestion, why not try only using one thick diaper? Apparently it produces much less waste, and honestly it's probably a heck of a lot cheaper too.

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Slomo, not sure I agree with your description of Crinklz. They are indeed a good quality, thick and absorbent nappy. I have had many packs over the years. They are rated as 4200ml absorbency, which is about average for an ABDL nappy. Here is a list by absorbency of nappies targeted at the ABDL market.

Tykables - Overnights / Galactic = 5500ml
Dotty Diaper Company - Dotty the Pony / Pride / Super Boompa = 5000ml
Cuddlz - Nursery / Bright Days = 5000ml
ABU - Space / Little Paws = 5000ml
Rearz - Safari / Princess Pink / Rebel / Seduction = 5000ml
Bambino - Magnifico = 4500ml
Fabine - Dreamlike Pink / Dreamlike Blue / Teddy Pink / Teddy Blue) = 4500ml
ABU - Kiddo = 4500ml
Crinklz = 4200ml
ABU - Cushies v2 / Lavender = 4000ml
Bambino - Classico / Bellissimo / Teddy = 4000ml
MyDiaper - Animals / Black / Blue / Pink / Yellow / Coloured / Sexy = 4000ml
Tykables - Waddler = 4000ml
ABU - BareBum / Super Dry Kids v2 = 3500ml
ABU - Preschool = 3000ml

In comparison to the ABDL nappies here is a couple of nappies aimed at the Incontinence market:

iD Expert - Slip Maxi = 4500ml
Tena - Slip Ultima = 4000ml
Abena - Abri Form L4 = 4000ml
Lille Healthcare - Suprem Fit Maxi - 3500ml

These are based on a size large, as the surface area of the pulp / gel mix will increase or decrease the absorbency respectively.

As for price, guess that depends where you buy yours from and what shipping is like, for me any of the ABDL nappies work out to around the £2 per nappy, or $2.76. Some are just below that mark, some higher, it is an average.

My current setup uses an own-brand nappy from a local supplier, plain white cloth backed, 2500ml absorbency and £0.54 per nappy. Add to that 3x 610ml booster pads = 4330ml in total and 3x 0.12 = £0.90. Then there is the baby nappy, I like Aldi's Mamia size 6, back to front so the tapes stick to my adult nappy at the front and a small amount of white cloth tape sticking the top of the baby nappy to the lower crotch area of my adult nappy. Add another £0.12 to bring the total to £1.02 per nappy, maybe £1.05 or £1.10 to include the cloth tape. That is about $1.52.

So my combination of pads and nappies works out to have 130ml more absorbency than Crinklz does (not including the absorbency of the baby nappy, which to be honest is almost able to take a whole wetting and there is a far greater gel to pulp ratio than any adult nappy I have tried, really nice squish feel to them when wet!), and is around £0.90 or $1.24 cheaper. Also due to the added layers of all the pads and nappies, it feels a lot bulkier and more waddle-like when dry and when wet than wearing Crinklz.

Don't misunderstand me, I do like Crinklz, and I have tried almost every sinlge nappy on the UK /EU market, my favourite being ABU's Cushies v2, it's just my nappy and pad combination works great for me - it might be a disaster for other ABDL's.

Switching to a single ABDL nappy, Crinklz for example, will give me less total absorbency, cost more and be less waddle-like. Yes, it will also save a little room in the rubbish bin, but not a enough to justify the waddle loss, the cost or the lower absorbency. Also my bin would still be overflowing at the end of the week, just a bit less over flowing than it is now.

I think the capacity of your bins and bin bags must be greater than mine, either that or you have found some magical way to shrink wet nappies!

Oh, I also drink a lot more than 2l a day, probably around 2l while at work and then around 2l or 3l when home. More if I am having a few beer, say on a weekend.

I really like the west squishy feeling and will usually hold myself until I get home, to wet the baby nappy as soon as I put it on, leaving my adult nappy and pad combination to take the remaining 2l - 3l.