USUALLY what you'll find is what was issued by Hospice, or a hospital, to an elderly, possibly near-death person. Oftentimes they're cheaper brands, but that doesn't mean you can't make them work, with doubling, tripling, and/or stuffers. Craigslist also has some deals, sometimes by obviously ABDL types, wanting to see who shows up, but, more often, by people trying to get rid of medical stuff, after a loved one has passed on. I once got 4 cases of Molicare on Craigslist for pennies on the dollar. Same thing happened with some Abenas, but I suspected they might have been in a flood zone originally, since they had a mildew smell (not strong), but we're obviously never wet/ruined. They may have been on a shelf, or something.... No problems from them, and they lost the smell eventually.