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Thread: Nightmare Scenario: The Death of Choice

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    Default Nightmare Scenario: The Death of Choice

    I want to preface this by saying that different people have different tastes and preferences and some people like plastic while others like cloth backed and that's ok. What's not ok is eliminating choice and alienating one segment of a market or another. People should always have choices available so they can pick and choose what they prefer. That said, why am I so worried as to word the title of this thread the way I did?

    I was talking to a friend about how most medical oriented adult diaper manufacturers are switching fully to cloth backed and eliminating any and all plastic options altogether. This is distressing because people should be able to have at least a basic degree of choice in what type of product they prefer. No one segment of people should be alienated by having their choice taken away.

    That friend told me that HDIS told her that about 90% of medical adult diaper manufacturers have fully switched over to cloth backing. I don't know how accurate that percentage is nor whether it applies worldwide or just in the US, but it sounds scary to people like me who prefer plastic backed and would love to continue to have the option to wear and use plastic backed products.

    One issue I see pointed out is the vast majority of the full protection incontinence market consists of caregivers and long term care institutions who more often than not don't actually use the products they buy but instead buy them for others who do use them. This makes these people susceptible to marketing because they don't personally use these products and thus don't know any better. They have to go by what companies tell them is good or works well and often times that can be more misleading marketing than actual helpful information.

    As I said before, I don't mind cloth backed or the people who prefer it but I want everyone to have options. I think it would be just as unfair to the people who prefer cloth backed to have their options stamped out in favor a majority move to plastic as it would be to people like me to have our options stamped out in favor of a majority move to cloth backed. I want choices because I want both sides to be satisfied.

    On to the actual title. I'm worried my biggest fear may come true in that one day all medical adult diaper manufacturers worldwide will switch to cloth backed leaving us with ABDL companies as the only avenue for my product of choice, which doesn't sound so bad until you consider the possibility that it could end up becoming an expensive oligopoly because it's such a niche market with not nearly enough competition to offset the high prices created by such high demand and low supply for such a niche market. I'm worried that for IC folks who prefer plastic and pay out of pocket, plastic backed adult diapers will become so prohibitively expensive that we either have to live with cloth backed or just switch to actual cloth diapers. So how realistic is this nightmare scenario 10 years from now? 20? 30?

    More importantly what can be done to ensure that both sides of the fence have as many options as possible?

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    I commend your thinking, choice is important. The one huge sticking point is that there is only a finite amount of plastic that can be created as oil reserves will eventually run out. Also big corporations are being forced to reduce their carbon footprints and plastic diapers are a huge footprint. These companies are switching to cloth back to be more environmentally friendly and to stop having to use the last of the worlds oil reserves. As much as everyone here hates it, it is happening.

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    being more eco friendly is one excuse given but I don't quite buy it. The "cloth" is just nonwoven thin plastic sprayed on top of a thinner traditional plastic panel. If anything even more plastic may be used in the process of making these meaning more likely than not cloth backed is no better for the environment than plastic backed. Any difference that may be present may be marginal at best.

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    I think this also may have a lot to do with supply and demand. Maybe it is just majority prefer discreet cloth backed diapers? With that being the case it becomes cheaper for the company to drop plastic backed diapers all together if they are not selling all that well and having them take a spot on the shelves and having machines for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowPrincessSophie View Post
    being more eco friendly is one excuse given but I don't quite buy it. The "cloth" is just nonwoven thin plastic sprayed on top of a thinner traditional plastic panel. If anything even more plastic may be used in the process of making these meaning more likely than not cloth backed is no better for the environment than plastic backed. Any difference that may be present may be marginal at best.
    You took the words right out of my mouth I was thinking that my info is quite dated yet, I believe that it is called spun-bond fiber; and it most certainly is a synthetic (plastic) material - polypropylene if, I recall correctly... the back-sheet is/was Low Density PolyEthylene (LDPE)... I agree too, even with a thinner and smaller back-sheet; they may actually use more material to manufacture than, the earlier plastic-backed diapers...
    -Marka

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    1 we will never run out of oil in the ground more and more is produced daily its a renewable resource see your old science books. besides we have only scratched the surface in oil exploration and production the USA alone has enough oil for over 1000 years many many places have not been touched there is a large pool of oil in the middle of the country ironically it straddles the same pool of water that is enough water for 1500 years . I do believe its the nudge effect the companies are doing. Maybe in Europe and Asia they have to reduce footprints not here in the USA especially with the current occupant in DC. Guess companies will find out if each and every one of us were to simply stop buying thier crappy cloth crap they will either be forced into bankruptcy or bring back plastic backed diapers that the market needs. Shame on each company for this disaster you are bringing on yourselves I feel no sympathy for a company who puts up a middle finger to its customers saying we know better what you want or need.

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    what about using bio plastic?

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    Sorry Sophie, don't think anything can be done except for switching to quality ABDL products.

    Yes it sucks and I personally dislike medical cloth like backed products and avoid them unless it is a true emergency.

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    Maybe but the question is, will there be enough competition in the ABDL market to keep prices affordable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowPrincessSophie View Post
    being more eco friendly is one excuse given but I don't quite buy it. The "cloth" is just nonwoven thin plastic sprayed on top of a thinner traditional plastic panel. If anything even more plastic may be used in the process of making these meaning more likely than not cloth backed is no better for the environment than plastic backed. Any difference that may be present may be marginal at best.
    well said!

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