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    Perhaps there's more to the DNC's parade of victims than meets the eye...... Grieving parents? Or somebody whose business interests are threatened?

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kh...rticle/2598279

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    Whatever it is, the country allows so many loopholes for everyone, that it seems that nothing is set in stone anymore.

    I'm getting tired of all the tyranny. The BLM nonsense that's been going on is turning from rights to privilege. They want reparations for what happened in a period of time that no human in the country today had any part of. I also feel that officers have to be liable for their actions as blacks aren't the only ones targeted by police. I've been targeted by police with harassment before. I'm tired of the majority of the BLM are nothing but thugs and bums. It didn't give them any right to kill others, make unfair demands because they think that they are owed for someone else's misfortunes.

    The government is to blame just as much for the chaos. Going through decades of allowing companies to outsource labor, maintain record profits, and leaving Americans to suffer.

    What does Mexico or China have that we can't produce ourselves? Do we actual need these countries to maintain quality of life here? Why does the government allow American companies to get away with this?

    I think we are all victims in one way or another.

    I can go on and on, I'll just stop here for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeTaLMaNN1983 View Post
    What does Mexico or China have that we can't produce ourselves?
    Extremely cheap labor. So long as American Labor costs more businesses will go elsewhere if they can. Its simple economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    Perhaps there's more to the DNC's parade of victims than meets the eye...... Grieving parents? Or somebody whose business interests are threatened?

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kh...rticle/2598279
    Grieving parents, and it's below the belt to phrase this as an "either or" situation.

    Moreover, it's still just "grieving parents" rather than both because it's doubtful that investor class visas would get targeted under Republican legislation. This is a non-story, being published by a glorified conservative tabloid (The Washington Examiner).

    That said, I'm not surprised that an lawyer who is himself an immigrant and whose practice involves immigration law and international business dealings is unimpressed with Donald Trump. It's just that this has nothing to do with and doesn't in any way, shape, or form diminish the fact that he also had a son who died a war hero while serving in Iraq.



    Investor-class visas are commonly available in developed countries. There's a logic to it - if our threshold question for allowing most classes of immigrants is "Do they have skills and a demonstrated ability to contribute to the economy such that they won't become a burden on society?" then someone who can pony up half a million dollars in immediate investment meets that threshold. It's also just good for our economy to receive essentially free money now and the ongoing spending of a high net worth individual (they get an visa to enter and stay, but still have to live in America for 5 years to be naturalized).

    These visas do get criticized because they do allow the world's super-rich to bypass normal, slow and dysfunctional immigration queues just by throwing large sums of money around. However, these programs exist elsewhere and there's no movement or political will to dismantle them.



    The Khans are a Gold Star family who gave a short but moving speech outside of prime time. It shouldn't have been a story past the weekend - there were a half-dozen ways Donald Trump, when asked about them, could have acknowledged the sacrifice but respectfully disagreed with their statements about him. Donald Trump instead decided to attack the family!

    This is 100% on Trump. He walked into this for no reason. He seemingly cannot resist insulting, usually grossly inaccurately, anyone who says mean things about him on TV, no matter how inappropriate that might be. Both the political left and right are agape that he not just did it here to the Khans but has continued to double down every day such that a terrible story for him is staying in the news cycle a week later.

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    It actually makes more sense to me if Mr. Khan put himself up to this for a reason. I could never understand why people would allow themselves to be used as a political pawn as he did.

    Remember, he voluntarily got on a national stage in front of national TV coverage and took personal shots at Mr. Trump. You don't get to be offended or even surprised if your target fires back.

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    Well the target in question responded extremely childishly. Yet some people want that person to be president, I really can't see why...
    Perhaps he was just annoyed at people Like Trump who completely downplay the sacrifices that members of our armed forces make for our country and call POW's losers.

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    Ivana Trump certainly had a wealthy benefactor to buy her way into this country. What exactly does she contribute to make this country better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    Ivana Trump certainly had a wealthy benefactor to buy her way into this country. What exactly does she contribute to make this country better?
    Her cover shot from the New York Post yesterday was nice, not quite the traditional first lady look but still nice. By no means do I think that we shouldn't be able to have a model first lady but it is a bit odd following the Republican party's new stance on pornography.

    Edit: I just realized I was referring to the wrong Trump wife. As Melania is also an immigrant the above statement still applies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    You don't get to be offended or even surprised if your target fires back.
    Yes. Donald Trump should not be surprised if a successful Harvard-trained lawyer Muslim immigrant who had a son die for the United States took incredible offense at the idea that there should be a religious test that only applies to Muslims who want to enter the country. Donald Trump should not be surprised if such a target fires back. Donald Trump does not get to be offended or even surprised.



    For the love of... Donald Trump is on the wrong side of the Constitution with his calls for heightened scrutiny of Muslims entering the country. This was an immediate criticism from across the political spectrum back when he first proposed his ban in fall 2015. He has overly generalized in a way that treats extremists as representative of an entire religion of 1.6 billion people - he didn't have to race to the bottom with his rhetoric, but he did, and last week the Clinton campaign found a really sympathetic example to call him out on the absurdity of those statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fruitkitty View Post
    For the love of... Donald Trump is on the wrong side of the Constitution with his calls for heightened scrutiny of Muslims entering the country. This was an immediate criticism from across the political spectrum back when he first proposed his ban in fall 2015. He has overly generalized in a way that treats extremists as representative of an entire religion of 1.6 billion people - he didn't have to race to the bottom with his rhetoric, but he did, and last week the Clinton campaign found a really sympathetic example to call him out on the absurdity of those statements.
    For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster you worship, please show me where in the Constitution ANYONE is guaranteed entry to the U.S.

    I'm tired of the continual parade of teary eyed <alleged> victims by the Democratic party at all levels. Its about time they were called out on it. While I'm not especially impressed by Mr. Trump's sometime crude statements, his response when asked by media about the episode was a a lot more restrained than Mr. Khan's verbal attack on him. The media, of course, has done all kinds of verbal gymnastics to make it a bigger deal than it is.

    I don't have a problem with Mr. Khan's business model. Everybody has to make a living. While its apparently legal, one would think its more than a little distasteful to a party that tries to paint itself as egalitarian. The problem I have with the whole issue is the concept that personal attacks are immune from criticism if they're done in the name of liberal dogma. Once again, political correctness run amok.

    On the other side, I'd dearly love to see Hillary's response to Sean Smith's mother. As with everything else, she lied, denied, and let her media surrogates handle it.

    It would be oh so convenient if only would be terrorists would save us a lot of trouble by checking the "terrorist" check box on immigration forms. We haven't had problems with Swedish Lutheran grandmothers or Samoan rugby players, so we don't have to go overboard looking into them. You've got to use some kind of criteria. Time and resources to investigate applications are not unlimited. The alternative is stopping immigration altogether. I think all of us agree, even Mr. Trump, that isn't the ideal solution.

    Jihad is a muslim term, and a cultural thing found primarily in the Middle East. Discriminatory? Yes, discriminating among potential immigrants to keep out bad apples is the general idea.
    Last edited by Maxx; 03-Aug-2016 at 13:08.

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