Windows 10 is a joke.

Maxx said:

If things all go normally, it doesn't matter if they look at all your data for marketing and "software improvement" purposes. What does matter, if someone decides they want to do you dirty, everything about you is all out there gift wrapped for them. This really is a similar issue to border security. In general, honest people going about their business isn't anything to worry about. It's that one cyanide-tainted Skittle in the bowl....

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There isn't anything anyone can find out about me that I care about. What are they going to do with the information ... tell my mom?

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I'm thinking more along the lines of identity theft than diapers or other wierdness. Even for you, with nothing in the way of assets, it can be a big problem if someone goes around commiting fraud under your name.

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Well, as far as I am aware that isn't the stype of stuff MS is recording down. Now other sites might be when you go shopping or if you are accessing a .gov site that asks for your social.

My brother had his identity stolen a few years back, lost hundreds of thousands, took him years to get it back, and even then took a pretty big hit.

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Yep, I had it occur to me. Turned 18 and went to open a bank account and couldn't because someone had been opening accounts using my social. Not even using my name either. Took me about a year or so to clear up, and yep ... it still hurt my credit and my ability to be accepted for cards.

But that sort of shit doesn't happen because of MS.

Or how about if your name and identity get tied in with some sort of criminal activity? Even if you are innocent, the police busting down your door at zero dark thirty isn't a laughing matter.

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Show me a case where this happens because of MS.

Maxx said:

The point is we don't know what's going on behind the curtain, and can't turn it off or give permission day by day or item by item, it's all or nothing. Once you click agreement to the T's & C's, that's it. What might be harmless today may not be tomorrow.

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In other words ... you are saying I should worry just because it "could" happen no matter how unlikely?

The latest update is bad had to reinstall win 10 because it stoped my other programs and apps from updating. I could not restore it or uninstall anything the latest is causing major problems for everyone

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Use Speedtest.net to also check you ip connection speed

Maxx said:

Why not? I do.

Of course that's me... the introverted control freak. I don't like working in front of an audience, and I don't like stuff going on behind my back that I don't know about. Computers... took my first programming class in the 1969, back when machines did exactly what you told them to. Period.

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Why not? Simple, because it's the same reason I still go outside everyday even though there is a possiblity to get hit by a car as I step out the door. Just because something can happen doesn't mean I should live in fear over it when the possiblity is so slim that it just becomes stupid to fear it. It's called paranoia for a reason. It's an irrational fear.

Also, I am an introvert as well.

Windows reminds of scuba diving in the ocean. The sharks are always there whether you see them or not. Every once in a while a big, vague shadow drifts close enough to see through the murk just to remind you, then drifts back out of sight.

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Haha ... ya, that is what makes it such an irrational fear cause it's actually nothing like scuba diving and nowhere near as dangerous. But, since we are doing this analogy sure ... I will play along. What you are seeing isn't the vague shadows of some shark. It's actually a really tiny fish above the surface presenting it's shadow a lot larger than it actually is. There are actually no sharks at all.

Oh another thing that bothers me about windows 10, is when it comes to computer illerate people being on the same network.

Everytime a windows 10 machine updates (usually the same time) the internet literally kills itself due to one of the machines using 100% of the bandwidth on a update, It's gotten to the point I've timed. xD I actually end up banning the mac address off the computer etc. but man it's hard explaining to a computer illiterate person there laptop updating is killing the network.

Get this, everytime a windows 10 machine goes on the network, and it updates, bam 10 kbps internet.

stops updating, after a couple hours, 3mbps again.

that's how i know a pc is updating xD

Maxx said:

LOL. Umm... no. I'm talking about the big dark vagueness just out of view in the murk at my level. Sometimes a grouper, but there's a noticeable difference in shape between shark and grouper, even when obscured.

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It's just your imagination. You are seeing things you want to see. All of them are just tiny fish. You may come across a time when they are in a group and they look like a shark to you. BTW .. this analogy is so weird and silly to me. XD

This article (and video) explains why privacy is important:
http://lifehacker.com/why-your-privacy-matters-even-if-youre-not-doing-anyt-1645884650

[video=youtube;pcSlowAhvUk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcSlowAhvUk[/video]

Privacy is absolutely vital in preventing governments from targetting dissidents. Our societies may be relatively free, but perhaps that won't always be the case. And it's certainly not the case everywhere. In some cases, people's lives are at stake from the data their devices leak.

We shouldn't allow this kind of mass-surveillance to go unchallenged. Have you read Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-Four"?

tiny said:

This article (and video) explains why privacy is important: -snips-

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Actually, I have watched this video before and think I may even have commented on it at one point lol. But I am rewatching it just so I can rebuttal some of the points.
He says people who say they do not care about privacy, they actually do. Such as putting locks on doors. That right there is just a fallacy as there is more than one reason why you would put a lock on a door and that reason for me isn't privacy. It's more about I don't want my shit stolen and it's a safety precaution. He would have been better off pointing to people putting curtains on windows. But even then a lot of people just do that for looks and design. Many people keep their windows wide open for anyone passing by to be able to see.

Now when we are talking specifically about bedrooms and bathroom, that has a lot to do with ... well, I don't want anyone walking in when im naked or taking a shit. Totally different circumstances lol. Yes, that is about privacy, but it's a totally different type of privacy. It's not about that you are doing something you don't want other people to know you are doing. Just by being in the bathroom we all know what the person is likely doing. The time frame of which they were in the bathroom also tends to suggest what they were doing.

The other issue I see here is this guy is talking about actual privacy in real life and comparing it to the type of privacy you have online. These are very different things. You can only monitor so much through the net, and really that is mainly what you are viewing. It's not like you have random people peeking in through your window. There are no visuals on exxactly what you are doing. You could be viewing a porn site, and technically it's not like they can see you jerking off behind the screen. This guy keeps pulling up real world examples, mainly because people actually care about real world privacy. I care about privacy when it comes to the real world. Actual eyes on me, random people. Obviously I don't want to be seen walking around in a diaper. But again, the internet isn't doing that.

Then he goes onto passwords and this is the same crap with locked doors. This isn't about privacy, it's about security. His examples are absolute garbage. Obviosuly I am not just going to give my password out, that is just stupid and it has nothing to do with privacy. Also, we are talking about the difference between a person that is quite literally looking at your stuff, and a machine that only records down useful stuff for advertising. There isn't a human behind those computers at microsoft looking at everything you do or recording every single detail that is unnecessary.

The reason I am not concerned about all this crap is because I am not paranoid about what it is they plan to do with the information because I already freaking know what they do with the information and I know what they CAN and CANNOT do. They also don't publish any information they collect publicly. Like this guy is suggesting to look in your email and then publish whatever it is he wants to publish. He is using extreme examples that no one is actually doing, and there is no indication such a thing will ever occur.

I will continue watching and update this if I feel it needs to be ... but that is what I have to say about his arguments. To me they are stupid and have absolutly nothing to do with what we are actually talking about here. That kind of violation of privacy he is talking about isn't what is going on here.

Like I said, the main issue is when the government control the infrastructure. How would dissidence be possible?

Just think about it. The erosion of privacy is a threat to democracy.

tiny said:

Like I said, the main issue is when the government control the infrastructure. How would dissidence be possible?

Just think about it. The erosion of privacy is a threat to democracy.

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Can you give me an example?

On my Windows 10 youtube is working only on Internet Explorer (In Opera youtube crash everything...)And there is no fix for this. I even reinstall my system!

MarchinBunny said:

Can you give me an example?

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Think of all the countries in the world where the state control (directly or indirectly) telecommunications infrastructure. Think of all the countries in the world where free speech can result in imprisonment or "disappearance". Consider how easy it is for governments to monitor internet traffic.

It's vital that the internet delivers what it promised: freedom and equality for all people.

Freedom of expression, and freedom of information is fundamental in our fight against oppressive regimes.

Information is power. We must be free to use it without fear of monitoring from corrupt, manipulative forces.

Perhaps our governments aren't interested in such oppression (for now), or perhaps you don't want to be a journalist, a dissident, recording the truth in a future dystopia. But others are (or will be) in such situations. Privacy is important on a moral basis. If not for ourselves, then for others.

tiny said:

Think of all the countries in the world where the state control (directly or indirectly) telecommunications infrastructure. Think of all the countries in the world where free speech can result in imprisonment or "disappearance". Consider how easy it is for governments to monitor internet traffic.

It's vital that the internet delivers what it promised: freedom and equality for all people.

Freedom of expression, and freedom of information is fundamental in our fight against oppressive regimes.

Information is power. We must be free to use it without fear of monitoring from corrupt, manipulative forces.

Perhaps our governments aren't interested in such oppression (for now), or perhaps you don't want to be a journalist, a dissident, recording the truth in a future dystopia. But others are (or will be) in such situations. Privacy is important on a moral basis. If not for ourselves, then for others.

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Honestly, this sounds like an overreaction. Hey ... if I actually see this occur ... I will agree with you. Till then, it just sounds like a lot of worrying about absolutely nothing.

Also if the government wanted to do that sort of thing now or at any time ... nothing could stop them. Even if you complain about it now ... if the government wanted to do that, they would just do it. I mean let's be realistic here. As long as they are not doing it now ... then there is nothing to really say. If they start to do it, well then we can complain about it then. But until then ... worrying is pointless.

Even if you manage to get all companies to start respecting privacy a bit more, it's not going to prevent that from happening if the government was looking to do that.

Until it actually happens you don't have a leg to stand on.