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    Okay, I guess by this point if you have been reading my posts, you probably know I'm a staunch Bernie supporter. I believe he has everything he needs to win this race, except for one crucial thing. (Yes, this is a political opinion thread, read and respond at the risk of flames igniting)

    I pose this question: Why is Bernie losing to Hillary?

    Oh, I don't know, maybe because Hillary is funded by the companies that own the media (Time Warner, Cablevision, and 21st Century Fox are the top media contributors)? She gets WAY more coverage than Bernie. And in some cases, he was use as a prop to make her seem more appealing, completely taking out things he said to help his own campaign. It's been unfair since day 1 for him.

    Maybe I'm being skeptical, but why is it that I can see Trump's face on every other post on Facebook, Rubio saying this and that, Cruz maybe being a better candidate, and Hillary having widespread coverage on every liberal news station? Bernie is not that far away from Hillary's lead. In fact, he beats out Trump on the majority of polls. I'm a skeptic of polls myself; the only real poll that matters is actual votes...but Jeb friggin Bush got more coverage and he never got above 10% in the polls. This system we have sickens me. If Bernie got a quarter of the coverage Hillary has, he would easily destroy the entire system (my opinion, of course, but totally plausible)

    The only reason he isn't doing so well (again, my opinion...) is because he's so obscure, and people don't have any knowledge on his stances. One has to search it on the internet, has to find out for their self. The lethargy of the average person keeps the general population depending on the extremely biased media, instead of listening to true information about Bernie that's out there. People are brainwashed by the media conglomerate, and get deluded about what they think is probably the problem , by putting blame on the things that are negligible (ISIS, Muslms, Mexicans, etc.) in the grand scheme of things. "Meanwhile, the rich are getting richer." UGH! Rant over.

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    That's certainly one opinion. Mine is that Bernie is making unrealistic promises in his positions, that the type of rhetoric he uses for his education and healthcare reform is actually harmful to most of the population because it convinces conservatives that Bernie will ruin them and entices people who are liberal without doing the financial and political analysis into supporting unrealistic positions. I think he'd be a bad president and his policy positions are unrealistic or just wrong.

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    Yep. That's a huge reason for Bernie's position in the race. Bernie Sanders has been an underdog since Day One of this race. I remember when he first announced his candidacy back last April, almost NOBODY knew who he was and he was TRAILING. Nobody (myself included) thought he could win, or even do as well as he's done so far. And he's been proving everyone who doubts him wrong. "Nobody will ever rally around a Democratic Socialist". WRONG!!! As someone who went to one of his rallies, those things are as crowded as pictures suggest. "He won't stick around long enough for anyone to actually vote for him". WRONG!!! "Martin O'Malley will do better than Bernie Sanders". LMFAO. "Bernie Sanders can't raise any money without a SuperPAC". Bernie Sanders just CRUSHED the old record for most individual contributions to a single campaign, which used to be held by Barack Obama back in 2008. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b06fa6887e03c5 Back then, the Media was reporting this huge accomplishment like crazy. Gee, I wonder why they're not doing like-wise when Sanders crushes that record? "Sanders can't win any states!!!". Tie in Iowa and CRUSHES New Hampshire. "Oh, New Hampshire doesn't count that's right next door to Vermont. *smug laugh*". "Bernie Sanders won't win anything on Super Tuesday aside from Vermont". Colorado, Minnesota, and Oklahoma. "Oh, those states were going to vote for Bernie all along. They don't mean anything. This race is over and Hilary Clinton already won. *smug laugh*" GAH!!!! :wall bash: Not only do I want to see Bernie win for the sake of America, but also just to see the look on these smug, arrogant, and condescending pundits faces and give them a nice tall glass of STFU juice. Anyone who knows me in real life and gives me this inevitable crap, if he wins the nomination, I will rub it in their face for quite some time.

    The mainstream media is totally harming Sanders since they are totally biased against him (The Media is totally conservative. Liberal Media? LOL. Nice joke). They're using everything they have against him. Meanwhile, Hilary Clinton is being investigated by the FBI for her e-mails and they just gave one of her staffers immunity in the investigation so they'll give them the details they need to look for any criminal wrongdoing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...571_story.html Just imagine for a second that Bernie Sanders was being investigated by the FBI for any criminal wrong-doings. The media would GO NUTS!!! They'd talk about it 24/7, they'd bring it up constantly. They'd use this against him whenever they can. Oh wait? It's not Bernie Sanders being investigated by the FBI? It's Hilary Clinton?


    The real reason Bernie Sanders has gotten as far as he has is because of Social Media. People have found him through the internet, through Facebook, Twitter, etc, and they like what they see. This is partially why he was able to close a 60 pt lead Hilary Clinton used to have on him, and how he managed to erase the huge leads she used to have in Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, and Oklahoma.

    I still believe Bernie Sanders has a shot at winning this. It's not an easy path and there are plenty more difficult hoops to jump through, but he can do it. Yes, Hilary Clinton won a lot of states recently. But first off, the South was always going to go to her. It's one of her strengths, and she used up most of it on Super Tuesday. Second off, and FAR more importantly, people are still finding out who Bernie Sanders is. EVERYONE knows who Hilary Clinton. No one is looking around saying "Gee. Who is this Hilary Clinton person? *researches her* Wow. I really like her positions. I'm gonna support her". That has happened approximately 0 times. However, that is happening to Bernie Sanders. Everytime there's a debate. Everytime there's an election and a headline reads "Bernie Sanders crushes in New Hampshire" and "Bernie Sanders wins Colorado, Minnesota, and Oklahoma on Super Tuesday". They'll wonder who this Bernie Sanders person is, realize that he pretty much has everything they want in a politician (Despite what the Media says, Bernie Sanders' ideas are EXTREMELY popular when polled on it), and his campaign grows. Hilary Clinton has all the Primary Supporters she's gonna get. It's mainly a question of can Sanders grow in time.

    I can't guarantee that Sanders will win or that he's inevitable in this race. Hilary Clinton can totally be him in this election. However, this is just a battle in a much larger and longer war. Are we guaranteed to win this battle in 2016? No. Are we guaranteed to win over the long haul? Yes. The ideas of Bernie Sanders are resonating with the younger generations and more and more of them will come into voting age, and as more and more of the dinosaurs still stuck in the past die off, this shift is coming. And on top of that, the old conservative media that's totally biased and greatly benefiting from this corrupt system is going to collapse. This new generation is not watching the propaganda spewed out on the television and in newspapers because they're getting their media online. If they were and traditional media was as important as it used to be, Sanders never would've made it this far. Unless some catastrophe (Fascism under President Tru--I can't say it, or Comcast successfully killing Net Neutrality) happens, we're guaranteed to win this thing in the long haul. The demographics are on our side, and time is on our side.

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    Very slightly off topic, but I think that even if Bernie doesn't win the election (and I truly hope he does), then his efforts certainly won't be all in vain. Unlike Trump and - to a lesser extent - Clinton, Bernie isn't motivated by the personal grandeur which comes with being President, but by improving the lives of the many. He's getting young people interested in politics, encouraging citizens to question the overarching power of huge corporations in U.S. Society, and creating support for a genuinely fair social structure.

    That might not get him elected this time out; the voters might still be too easily drawn in by the scaremongering of someone like Trump. But in 4, or 8, or 12 years time, the young people who Bernie has engaged will be voting, and doing so with the ability to see past the exclusionist rhetoric and empty vanity of candidates like Donald Trump.

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    Hillary Clinton could (and should IMO...) conceivably be indicted in the near future. Unlikely that would do anything for Bernie, as the Washington establishment would cobble together some pretext to put one of their own in. Joe Biden leaps to mind, although I'm sure there are other possibilities I'm not thinking of in my semi-caffeinated state.

    If conspiracy is your cup of tea, you might think "the Democrats" have waited on the indictment until its too late for anyone else not chosen by the elites to jump into the race on their own.

    Bernie has two seemingly insurmountable obstacles

    1. No establishment support. In this respect, he and the Donald are the same guy.

    2. He's a self-proclaimed socialist. Despite the fact that half the population is dependent on state aid in one way or another, socialism as a concept and way of life doesn't play in the minds of the vast majority of Americans. This wouldn't be as much of a problem if he'd pussy-footed around the "S" label, but that would have made him just another politician.

    This election, and most especially this primary season are coming down to a war between the people and the political class in Washington with their moneyed allies. Its been brewing for a while. Despite what you may have been told to think about the Tea Party, that was just an earlier manifestation of the same sentiment that's propelled Bernie to this point. The difference is that Bernie's younger, naive supporters are railing against the symptoms of Big Central Government, the Tea Party was opposing the concept itself.

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    Hillary may well be indicted before the Democratic National Convention. I don't recall any party in American history nominating someone under indictment. I've known the woman for a long time and I trust her about as far as I could throw her.

    Sanders cannot be accused of being a realist. John F. Kennedy once said he didn't see why a Jew couldn't be President of the United States, then added "I know as a Catholic I could never vote for him, but other than that." I think I'm channeling JFK.

    If we elect Trump, on the other hand, all we have to do is survive for four years while he single-handedly destroys the Republican party and partisan politics. After spending the past 28 years hating each other - liberals VS conservatives - maybe we need four years of Trump-induced turmoil to help us understand that we really are one nation, indivisible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchieRoni View Post
    That's certainly one opinion. Mine is that Bernie is making unrealistic promises in his positions, that the type of rhetoric he uses for his education and healthcare reform is actually harmful to most of the population because it convinces conservatives that Bernie will ruin them and entices people who are liberal without doing the financial and political analysis into supporting unrealistic positions. I think he'd be a bad president and his policy positions are unrealistic or just wrong.
    I don't see how anything he says is unrealistic. Care to explain why you think so, when many of the things he suggest are already being done else where? If anything, I think the US needs someone like Bernie for once. Someone who is looking out for their own people rather than outside their country getting involved in BS spending money left and right on crap that is entirely unnecessary. He points out problems that need to be fixed. Problems that hardly anyone else in the running seems to cares about.

    It's fine to have an opinion that you think these things, but why do you? What makes you believe these things are unrealistic. Is it because you have experienced crap for so long that you feel the things he talks about are unrealistic? What if I told you, the things he advocates are normal, and it's how things should be? What is not normal is how the US is currently being run, and would be worse if Trump became president. If Hilary wins, things will mostly just stay the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brabbit1987 View Post
    I don't see how anything he says is unrealistic. Care to explain why you think so, when many of the things he suggest are already being done else where? If anything, I think the US needs someone like Bernie for once. Someone who is looking out for their own people rather than outside their country getting involved in BS spending money left and right on crap that is entirely unnecessary. He points out problems that need to be fixed. Problems that hardly anyone else in the running seems to cares about.
    Except that the primary job of the President (and the rest of the federal government) as defined by the Constitution IS keeping the rest of the world at bay so the people and the individual states can conduct their lives and business in peace.

    Bernie is running on a platform of things that aren't in the President's job description. That's like touting your accounting skills in an interview for a sales job. Not relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx View Post
    Except that the primary job of the President (and the rest of the federal government) as defined by the Constitution IS keeping the rest of the world at bay so the people and the individual states can conduct their lives and business in peace.
    You are going to need to point out to me exactly where it says that. Also if it does in fact say that, then it's stupidity itself.



    Bernie is running on a platform of things that aren't in the President's job description. That's like touting your accounting skills in an interview for a sales job. Not relevant.
    Says who? You really are going to need to point this out to me on exactly where it says this sort of thing. Sorry, I don't just take your word for it.

    Edit: I am reading about the job of the president and what it says in the constitution and ... either you are lying or you don't know what it says.

    Edit x2: In fact, it seems the presidents primary job is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. It's even in the oath the president has to take before they are officially in office. This makes the presidents job pretty broad in nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brabbit1987 View Post
    Edit x2: In fact, it seems the presidents primary job is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. It's even in the oath the president has to take before they are officially in office. This makes the presidents job pretty broad in nature.
    No, it actually narrows the scope of the job quite a bit, especially in light of the 9th and 10th amendments.


    "Amendment IX

    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

    Put simply, anything the Constitution doesn't specifically mention is not the business of the Federal Government, and hence, its chief executive.

    To give you a couple of Bernie-specific examples, if the people or the states decide "free" health care or "free" college education are good ideas, then its up to the states to manage that, not the federal government.

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