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    Default Bernie, too good to be true.

    http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...ts-your-money/

    Yes, yes, I'm sure Clinton Crime Family operatives are behind this piece. Still, its priceless.

    If you're a Bernie opponent, this is too good to be true.

    Ironically, its probably the same if you're one of his true believers. 30 or 40 years ago, he was you.

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    Bernie Sanders is still (to me) "An idealistic moron who dosen't understand the limitations of the office for which he applied for and doesn't understand the responsibility of the United States presidential position."

    Wow I've typed that so much autocorrect and predictions typed that whoever statement for me.

    TBH this election is not a who can do more good it's more a who can do the less damage

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    It's weird when we loop back around to share views, but yes, I agree that Bernie is too good to be true and doesn't have a sense of what can actually be accomplished with the presidency. I don't support him.

    Though as to the matter of taxes in general, I'll let George Washington explain my position.


    "To facilitate to them the performance of their duty, it is essential that you should practically bear in mind that towards the payment of debts there must be revenue; that to have revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised which are not more or less inconvenient and unpleasant; that the intrinsic embarrassment, inseparable from the selection of the proper objects (which is always a choice of difficulties), ought to be a decisive motive for a candid construction of the conduct of the government in making it, and for a spirit of acquiescence in the measures for obtaining revenue, which the public exigencies may at any time dictate."

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    feel the bern? more like feel the finger up your ass. Bernie Sanders doesnt understand economics, or how the position of president works. thats why he has such a big following, because an alarming number of people in this country also understand neither. people seem to think that the position of president is akin to that of a monarch, who can simply will things into existence and force the legislature to accomplish his or her goals. even my 17 year old sister was watching his speech after a primary (iowa) and was like "wtf, that made no sense" and it doesnt. a lot of what he wants to do cannot be achieved, or would have a devastating impact on our way of life. free education makes it pretty much worthless. and he wants to tax wall street speculation. how TF do you tax speculation? thats like trying to tax people for spreading rumors.

    team #feelthebern is pretty much riding on the tidal wave of anti-wall street sentiment, and the rather marxist ideals that certain things should be free, or that people who put my groceries and flip my burgers deserve $15/hour. i was a project executive last year with an insurance borkerage and i didnt even make $15 an hour. this culture of deserving things and being entitled to things cannot survive. i thank God for my upbringing, where i learned that you dont get anything that you dont earn, and that nobody owes you s***

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    Yes I know how the media likes to distort things from reality. Particularly since Bernie actually does not support the establishment or the convenient omitting of certain facts. My own parents call me a freeloader near-do-well as well because I'm on SSDI. That is I until I mention the fact that I once fractured my ankle and walked 10 miles on it looking for a job.......so if that makes me a freeloader what does that make anyone who thinks I'm a near-do-well freelaoder? Truth be told this election is not about who can do less damage unless Hillary gets the nomination (which has in fact become highly questionable at this point fyi). I can understand why some people would think Bernie does not know what he's doing but he's actually gaining momentum because people are fed up with the outright lies made by the Republicans and the more subtle disingenuous statements made by the establishment Democrats. I will never trust Hillary but seeing liars like Ted Cruz who misrepresent christianity or a leech like Donald Trump who collects more money every hour from corporate welfare I think if it came down to it I would still vote for Hillary simply because at that point (assuming she got the nomination) I would only see it as damage control(provided Bernie does not get the nomination). Of course it's getting obvious how doubtful Hillary's chance's are now that it's obvious that people are starting to realize that Bernie actually represents them (and what's best for this country) rather then a small group of wealthy individuals.


    The situation has gotten so desperate for the establishment that the GOP (with some support from the democrats) have started to even go as far as to find excuses in order to prevent people from voting. That's why people are marching in South Carolina right now ordering our government to cut that bullshit out. I can understand why people would think otherwise since they can't tell the difference between a imperial socialist and a socialist though. People (as in the majority) have had it and the general public is not as uneducated as most politicians think. This is mostly because the media is not the only source of information out there but also because there are quite a few credible and reliable information sources that are more useful now. The media simply puts up what gets them ratings right now rather then useful information concerning politics. By the way considering how old Bernie Sanders happens to be his parents (assuming they are still alive) are most likely not able to vote simply because they are not functional enough to know what they are talking about most likely. Anyone who really thinks that link (assuming it was credible) really has weight to it needs to realize that someone that old is not going to be reliable information because it's coming from someone who is possibly not even lucid. Of course I know how comfortable it is to think otherwise about Bernie rather then face reality so I don't blame anyone since the truth is rather painful to realize.

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    What bothers me about the piece is not that it discredits Sanders' stance on several things, but rather that it focuses solely on bashing Sanders background. I hate to say it, but the piece may do more to help Sanders with his bid because he has campaigned against the 'politics as usual' and mudslinging tactics so common and this just adds to the fire that dragging your opponent's name through the mud is a poor way to achieve victory.

    I am not claiming I am for or against Sanders and his views. Honestly, with the current crop of candidates, I prefer the 'None of the Above' option...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnalogRTO View Post
    What bothers me about the piece is not that it discredits Sanders' stance on several things, but rather that it focuses solely on bashing Sanders background.
    I think we agree here.

    One side will question his ability to manage the largest economy (and military) in the world when he could barely manage his own existence.

    His supporters will gleefully proclaim "He knows what its like...he's one of us!!"

    Both statement are true.

    Like you, I'm just shaking my head wondering how it came to this sad state of affairs.

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    I don't get it. Bernie is the most down to earth candidate in the history of the presidency. He has some great ideas that will put America in this century (subsidized healthcare and education being the most prominent). I agree that it will be challenging for him to carry out these proposals because of our perpetually obstructionist congress, but Bernie being opposed to big money's monolithic influence on American politics should be reason enough for any working person to support him. Our rational choices are also somewhat limited this time around. All of the republicans (as a tumblr post put it) would all have no chance of surviving a tour of Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, and Hillary Clinton is a flip-flopping corporate shill who is backed by banks and super PACs.

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    The Bernie Sanders agenda...

    Free healthcare...
    Free college...
    High taxes on the those with high incomes...

    You know what that sounds like? Thatchers' Britain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happilyderanged View Post
    I don't get it. Bernie is the most down to earth candidate in the history of the presidency. He has some great ideas that will put America in this century (subsidized healthcare and education being the most prominent). I agree that it will be challenging for him to carry out these proposals because of our perpetually obstructionist congress, but Bernie being opposed to big money's monolithic influence on American politics should be reason enough for any working person to support him. Our rational choices are also somewhat limited this time around. All of the republicans (as a tumblr post put it) would all have no chance of surviving a tour of Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, and Hillary Clinton is a flip-flopping corporate shill who is backed by banks and super PACs.

    The reason why people do not like Bernie Sanders is because people are to used to the way things are. You see people are terrified of Bernie Sanders because his ideas are so radical from what is typical (I can never call that normal just merely standard or typical) that it makes people inherently uncomfortable. Even good change causes stress and anxiety in people and there are quite a few people who simply cannot control that emotion. Some people think that anything that resembles say a European government for instance is somehow "wrong" and then they say to those who support those good ideas to move to that country if one does not like it. Essentially Bernie's grassroots movement has effectively just told those types on both sides that this country is run for everyone not just some of it's people, and if they don't like it then they can just move away themselves. We are no longer the most productive country in the world because of establishment politics that we put in place which reflects on us as a people. The good news regarding this though is that while we made a mistake that is a mistake we do not have to live with and can rectify. Like I said before people are more comfortable with making excuses like blaming these problems on the GOP or Democrats, or conservatives, or liberals happens to just be more comfortable then actually facing the truth. You see I never even finished reading that link regarding how Bernie is allegedly a near-do-well simply because it's not coming from a credible source (This includes both Maxx as well as the people who actually ran that add in the first place). Why? Because that's precisely what I would do if I was Hillary or a GOP candidate who felt threatened by Bernie that's why. It's almost logical in the sense that these individuals are so afraid (which has little to do with logic and more to do with base impulses fyi) that adds attacking Bernie like this are technically logical from their point of view which can be misguided unfortunately.


    I did want to mention that most attack adds like this which are intended to be divisive rather then get people to work with each other happen to help Bernie more then anything else simply because people are no longer buying that bullshit (literally and figuratively speaking). Essentially people are so fed up with those form of politics that it has actually become a liability to that politician rather then the opposite which used to be true. The bullshit card has been overused for far to long by far to many people on both sides of a debate that the mere mention of such ludicrous adds does more harm then good to the one endorsing a hypothetical attack add these days. People have stopped caring about politicians who just seem to spout hate or for the more silver tongued candidates playing to the desires of the general population in ways that look good on paper but can't expect to work in the real world. Basically people are starting to realize that Bernie is not so much just talking about the issues he's actually trying to lead by example and do something constructive about it. It's lack of competition on Hillary's part that's going to get him the nomination (hypothetically) because that's what a good presidential candidate should be doing.
    Last edited by giantguy99; 16-Feb-2016 at 23:36.

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