Police raid

w0lfpack91 said:

With computers and camera your looking at a cyber crime. Anything from digital piracy to child porn and all things in between. If it's a digital camera the SD card is a popular platform to smuggle copyright movies, or child porn because they can be encrypted to not show on the camera as opposed to a computer. To be on the safe side in the event it is the latter given your online tendencies (IE. this site) just forget it don't even bother with the camera. The thing to watch for is FBI they usually spearhead if not guide any process involving cyber crime. I've had my share of run ins with the FBI as a teen during the "golden age of digital piracy" I was one of the lucky ones who covered enough tracks to slip away but I am still on the "watch list" (like seriously they have list for everything) best avoid it all.

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I haven't heard much on the whole piracy thing in a long time and as far as I am aware, they stopped going after individual people. So if that was the reason, it would be a pretty weird case. It would also have to mean his friend isn't simply downloading things but is the one actually making the copies to put up on the net.

Also, to not bother with the camera would be the worst mistake he could make if they find out it's his anyway.

brabbit1987 said:

Also, to not bother with the camera would be the worst mistake he could make if they find out it's his anyway.

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They probably will, I had my EMT certificate and identification numbers backed up on the servers and stuff. Going in tomorrow when it is less busy. Interesting all the different opinions
on this though.

cavemans said:

They probably will, I had my EMT certificate and identification numbers backed up on the servers and stuff. Going in tomorrow when it is less busy. Interesting all the different opinions
on this though.

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Ya, I remember you mentioned that earlier. Also, yep .. tons of opinions on the matter lol. I didn't realize so many people don't trust the authorities. I mean, of course there are bad cops out there, but not much you can do about that because there will always be bad people that exist. You sort of just have to not worry about it, because it's out of your control.

Went to the station today and they gave me the case number and the number to call the detective. As I expected the detective dodged all questions saying it is an active case we can't discuss it. When I finally got him to say something about my camera he said he doesn't know if I will get it back.

Ah well. You tried.

Well, it was worth a shot. Hopefully you get it back at some point.

brabbit1987 said:

I haven't heard much on the whole piracy thing in a long time and as far as I am aware, they stopped going after individual people. So if that was the reason, it would be a pretty weird case. It would also have to mean his friend isn't simply downloading things but is the one actually making the copies to put up on the net.

Also, to not bother with the camera would be the worst mistake he could make if they find out it's his anyway.

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Naw they still pursue it actively it's just not main media anymore, I still get regular calls and checks from the KY division of FBI making sure I am actually still clean. I entered a deal with them only being 17 when they finally caught up I promised to stop uploading and distributing and give full access to my BT Junkie and TPB upload account and I get off with a slap on the wrist and a "don't do it again" .suffice to say shortly after they nabbed aXXo and uploads had gone into decline. Now there's a whole new breed out Yiffy probably being the new aXXo of this generation. But this time they not going public with their busts because how can one top the search for aXXo guy literally slipped past them for a decade with daily uploads

w0lfpack91 said:

Naw they still pursue it actively it's just not main media anymore, I still get regular calls and checks from the KY division of FBI making sure I am actually still clean. I entered a deal with them only being 17 when they finally caught up I promised to stop uploading and distributing and give full access to my BT Junkie and TPB upload account and I get off with a slap on the wrist and a "don't do it again" .suffice to say shortly after they nabbed aXXo and uploads had gone into decline. Now there's a whole new breed out Yiffy probably being the new aXXo of this generation. But this time they not going public with their busts because how can one top the search for aXXo guy literally slipped past them for a decade with daily uploads

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I meant they no longer go after downloaders. Uploading illegal content is a whole different case. That is why I said if they are going after him, it would mean he wasn't simply downloading.

May I throw in another question? I never understood why law enforcement always steals the whole freaking equipment? Yes I use the term stealing especially in this case. Why steal the camera in the first place? There is no logical reason to not just take out the data storage device (e.g. SD-card) out of the camera / harddisk(s) out of the computers and leave the rest of the equipment alone. You paid for it? YOUR property? So what. Come back in 20 years. Maybe. So if you actually need some piece of that hardware, you're left with nothing but having to re-buy it, if you can afford it, even if you're totally innocent like the OP. Its the same all over the world.

BenTennyson said:

May I throw in another question? I never understood why law enforcement always steals the whole freaking equipment? Yes I use the term stealing especially in this case. Why steal the camera in the first place? There is no logical reason to not just take out the data storage device (e.g. SD-card) out of the camera / harddisk(s) out of the computers and leave the rest of the equipment alone. You paid for it? YOUR property? So what. Come back in 20 years. Maybe. So if you actually need some piece of that hardware, you're left with nothing but having to re-buy it, if you can afford it, even if you're totally innocent like the OP. Its the same all over the world.

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A lot of devices have their own internal storage in addition to storage you can add. Additionally I imagine the people executing the search in a lot of cases don't have the time nor knowledge to assess the minimal amount of stuff that has to be taken, and it's probably simpler for a whole variety of reasons to just take the whole thing and let the techs sort it out.

BenTennyson said:

May I throw in another question? I never understood why law enforcement always steals the whole freaking equipment? Yes I use the term stealing especially in this case. Why steal the camera in the first place? There is no logical reason to not just take out the data storage device (e.g. SD-card) out of the camera / harddisk(s) out of the computers and leave the rest of the equipment alone. You paid for it? YOUR property? So what. Come back in 20 years. Maybe. So if you actually need some piece of that hardware, you're left with nothing but having to re-buy it, if you can afford it, even if you're totally innocent like the OP. Its the same all over the world.

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A lot of cyber criminals build storage into mother boards, ram sticks, GPu cases used to Be a big one just use the on board graphics and have what appears to be an SLI setup for graphics but take it apart it's just two or three mega hard drives running a pci slot. Also disk drives have been known to be modded with internal storage the possibilities are endless

w0lfpack91 said:

A lot of cyber criminals build storage into mother boards, ram sticks, GPu cases used to Be a big one just use the on board graphics and have what appears to be an SLI setup for graphics but take it apart it's just two or three mega hard drives running a pci slot. Also disk drives have been known to be modded with internal storage the possibilities are endless

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I didnt know that was possible. Now I want to do it just for the fun of it? Besides making you look suspicouse could this cause other problems?

cavemans said:

I didnt know that was possible. Now I want to do it just for the fun of it? Besides making you look suspicouse could this cause other problems?

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Well the easiest one to accomplish in my opinion would be the gpu one, you would just need to buy a pci express storage drive and then mod it with a gpu case, but it would be pretty expensive. I don't think it would really make you look suspicious unless someone knew it was a storage drive, I mean the whole point is for it to be hidden. As for other problems ... not really.

Personally, I wouldn't even bother as there is no point to it. It's mainly used to hide the physical drive so if they go in and pull drives, they will miss it. If they take the whole computer it really does you no good as it's not like it hides the actual data.

brabbit1987 said:

Well the easiest one to accomplish in my opinion would be the gpu one, you would just need to buy a pci express storage drive and then mod it with a gpu case, but it would be pretty expensive. I don't think it would really make you look suspicious unless someone knew it was a storage drive, I mean the whole point is for it to be hidden. As for other problems ... not really.

Personally, I wouldn't even bother as there is no point to it. It's mainly used to hide the physical drive so if they go in and pull drives, they will miss it. If they take the whole computer it really does you no good as it's not like it hides the actual data.

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I jsut thought it would be fun to play it probably wont do it until i have money to throw out.

You could always give an anonymous call to the police and ask about the process. Ask for general information about what a person does in that sort of situation. You don't have to give any personal details for that information. I am sure this happens to many people. I agree with Marka's point of view. The police are normal people with common sense and are aware that sometimes innocent people can be mixed in erroneously. I don't know where you live but for the most part, police officers are there to help the people, not cause problems.

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I see that you already addressed the problem the best you can. At least you got the information you needed. I hope you get your camera back eventually.

acorn said:

As per brabbit's advice.

The primary reason the filth steal items like that is because they have reason to suspect they are; 1/ the tools of criminal activity, 2/ the proceeds of same.

Your aquaintance does not sound like much of a real friend. If his amnesia is something he is trying to forget, he should still have his copy of the search warrant to remind him why his gaff was turned over".

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Anyone familiar with Cleveland?

Anyway, there is a local gas station in 55th & Cedar ave. They are called "Biggies", and they are antijuadic/antislamic. They have multiple antisemitic murals on the sides of the bulding. They have been endlessly raided by the FBI, Police, robbed, and a clerk murdered.

Sure, any biggot deserves the worst, point proven. However, as big of a biggot the owner is, he has never been involved with any criminal activity. Remember that antisemitism is protected by the 1st amendment "free speech".

What ever happened, they had a reason to raid your friend. Good or not, give this guy the benefit of doubt.

I hope you get your camera back, I hope your friend gets cleared.


>>> I've talked to police about pretty dense stuff. Like 'hey officer, if someone has a warrant and wants to fix it......it's not me officer, trust me' and 'I've couldn't help overhearing you but....that description sounds a lot like me, how can I help you?'.

Remember that its best to stand up for yourself, explain yourself with CONFIDENCE, and BOLDNESS. You have RIGHTS, never show them fear, as it is a sign of weakness. If you have NOTHING to hide, you have nothing to LOOSE.

^^ The above works for poker too (you first have to convince yourself of the last statement)

BoundCoder said:

A lot of devices have their own internal storage in addition to storage you can add. Additionally I imagine the people executing the search in a lot of cases don't have the time nor knowledge to assess the minimal amount of stuff that has to be taken, and it's probably simpler for a whole variety of reasons to just take the whole thing and let the techs sort it out.

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Thing is if the device like a camera was modified. There would be tool marks and such on it when open. Around the camera.

Now what he can do is ask have the manufacturer look at it to see if it was modified. Or ask his friend to buy you a new camera. Or worse case take them to a small claims court.

Lestat said:

Thing is if the device like a camera was modified. There would be tool marks and such on it when open. Around the camera.

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Sure, whatever lab tech actually examins the evidence would probably notice such a thing, but the guy actually executing the search/collecting evidence is just there to grab anything that matches their list. Life differs heavily from CSI. In real life it's a lot of people doing very specific jobs, and while they probably know a bit about their counterparts job, the guy collecting the evidence, the guy analyzing the evidence, the guy confronting the suspect about the evidence, and the guy deciding how to use the evidence as part of a prosecution are all different people with a different skillset.

Guy might get his camera back when the police are done with it, or he might have to go after his friend for the value of it in small claims court.

UPDATE: Nothing so far they wont tell me anything. Been trying to wait patiently. I am hoping to get a camera soon so i can start my photography again. I can't seem to avoid the police though lately. I end up being around a lot when they are being called for some reason.