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Thread: Everyone should email the ABDL companies to make cool pullups

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    Default Everyone should email the ABDL companies to make cool pullups

    I think lots of us would buy ABDL pullups. So much more convenient, and cuter too. I'd be willing to sacrifice less absorbency in exchange for those. Pullups could be awesome. Don't know how hard it is to make them though. But everyone should let them know they're potentially sitting on a gold mine.

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    Alot of people, including me, agree with you! I would love to see adult size, cute, ABDL pull-ups and if they looked close to Goodnites or any other kids pull-up that would be a sure winner! Most people say it would be to hard to manufacter them, but I don't see why that is so. We have boring adult sized pull-ups now and Goodnites used to be bigger. Why couldn't the Goodnites machine (or one like it) be tooled for making bigger pull-ups? Or why couldn't a machine making adult pull-ups be fed the ingredients to make awesome pull-ups. I'm sure there are machines in China, let's face it that's where they'd come from (nothing wrong with that!), that could be producing them right now.
    I have a feeling it can be done and ABU will probably be the first ones selling it!

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    You could always conduct a survey. The forum software does give that option.

    However, I'm not so sure that there is as much demand as you think. It's not like there's any shortage of pull-ups out there, cute prints aside, and yet most of the discourse here is about nappies. Equally, all of the recent AB nappy releases - Space, Crinklz, Rearz, Waddler Overnight, and before that, Bellissimo and Fabine - have been high-absorption products, because that seems to be in high demand.

    A "cute", low-absorption product falls under the same heading as the original SDKs and Cushies, in that it really only appeals to pure ABs, rather than ABDL or DL or IC. Not to mention that the market seems a little saturated ATM, so I doubt that any of them want to diversify their product range any further.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but speaking personally, I have no interest whatsoever in pull-ups. I don't think that they look cute, and they don't help me to regress. I'm an adult baby, not an adult toilet-training-toddler.

    You also have to remember that as ABs, our paraphilia is at least partially influenced by our dim memories of our infancy. Our oldest members were brought up in cloth with plastic or rubber pants, so that is what helps them regress. People my age, largely in plastic-backed disposables. Only our youngest members are going to have worn pull-up pants, and they (generally speaking) have less disposable income.
    Last edited by Akastus; 27-Oct-2015 at 13:10.

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    This is known. Anyone who is paying attention knows that there is a market for ABDL pull ups. What surprises me is that people who are obsessed with these don't already know that it's not that suppliers are cruelly depriving them, but that they're prohibitively expensive at this time. As most of us suspected, they confirmed that no machines are available that can produce a worthwhile pull up (if such a thing could be said to exist). In the future, a healthy market may change that but for now, all the letters in the world aren't changing it. It's a fundamentally different question than getting good ABDL diapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor View Post
    they confirmed that no machines are available that can produce a worthwhile pull up (if such a thing could be said to exist).
    Citation, please.

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    There's a number of factors. First and foremost, there is no machine in China or SK that can produce any adult sized pull-up other than the homogeneous "bloomer" style you see everywhere in the IC market. It would take the initiative of the supplier(s) themselves to invest the hundreds of thousands of dollars (or even millions) it would take to either retrofit a machine, or build a new one if necessary. If you think about it, the method of attaching components from diapers is different from attaching those of a pull-up and the adjustment will be quite expensive whatever the approach. These machines as a whole cost millions each to build, house, and maintain. I'm sure if the supplier were to make that investment, they'd want to be sure not only ABDLs will support that product, but that it will sell well on the overall diaper market. It's certainly not impossible - it will just take their approval to get on board and take action.

    What I'd consider another big hurdle is that Kimberly-Clark owns the patent to using the super-soft and dreamy "foam" paneling you see on Pull-Ups and GoodNites training pants. So as I'm sure many of you assume that same foam paneling would end up on ABDL pull-ups, it is almost certainly not going to happen that way. Similarly, each respective company (such as PG with their "Easy-Ups" brand) has their own patents on their own stretch panel technologies, so what you get would likely be different than what you're used to for the side paneling you see on these products.

    The last of the 3 big issues is stretch paneling in general. The best ABDL diapers you see use plastic to support their entire frame, and there's a good reason for that. It's durable and can take a beating. The common tendency with cloth or stretchy components is that within just a matter of hours, they lose their elastic pull and permanently stretch, or if they are a bigger size, they just won't have much snugness to begin with and will fall off or slide lower after a time (especially when made 'heavier'). So if there is no customizable fit it will make things difficult, and don't bother suggesting the velcro sides Pull-Ups have upgraded to - you can bet there is an even newer and ain't-gonna-expire-anytime-soon patent on that as well!

    I'm sure if pull-up style diapers are made a possibility, you'll see at least several ABDL versions hit the market, and I'm sure that day will come eventually. Just manage your expectation because how we picture things in our head and how they actually turn out are usually quite different!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremyi View Post
    There's a number of factors. First and foremost, there is no machine in China or SK that can produce any adult sized pull-up other than the homogeneous "bloomer" style you see everywhere in the IC market. It would take the initiative of the supplier(s) themselves to invest the hundreds of thousands of dollars (or even millions) it would take to either retrofit a machine, or build a new one if necessary.
    i was just going to say that. This whole issue revolves around wanting to see a pullup with some sort of design on the front, be it ab, dl, furry, sissy, whatever. They want a pattern on the front. And if you've ever looked at the adult pullups being offered, well, I'd never considered the term "bloomers" but I suppose maybe it fits.



    You'll notice the entire top 1/2 of the diaper is entirely elastic. (it looks more like a short tube sock to me) You can't put any kind of a print on that. It'd have to go down below on what little there is of the padding. I think that's another of the issues there - MOST of the pullups like this are "one drop". In other words, very low capacity. Intended for minor leaks and dribbles only. And that's not our typical market - DL's usually want functional diapers with significantly better performance than that.

    Here's Northshore's new one:

    http://www.northshorecare.com/media/...lexsupreme.png

    It actually is rated a lot higher for capacity, much more than any other adult pull-up, but again look at all that elastic at the top. It's probably necessary to make a product that can both hold the weight of a lot of urine and not slide down your pants or skirt, while at the same time be able to be pulled down to change.

    I dunno. If people wouldn't mind the print just down there on the bottom, that'd be easier. But as Jeremy pointed out, there's no machine out there right now with that feature. There are children's size that have printing built into the machine, but that would have to be entirely retooled for the adult machines. And those are $300,000 to $1,000,000 machines. (why? because they basically mint money - they take very raw materials and turn them directly into a sellable disposable product) There's a reason each time we see new diapers we can identify the old machine used to make them - it's just not practical for any niche market to design let alone make their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bambinod View Post
    MOST of the pullups like this are "one drop". In other words, very low capacity. Intended for minor leaks and dribbles only. And that's not our typical market - DL's usually want functional diapers with significantly better performance than that.
    This does need to be emphasised. If your product is so low capacity that it doesn't appeal to DLs (or ICs), then you've got a real problem, because I rather suspect that those for whom nappies are an end in itself, rather than just a means to regression, go through a hell of a lot more of them. DLs seem to wear as much as possible. I don't think that the same is true for "pure" ABs, as they to have to be in the right mindset for regressing.

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    Exactly right, bambinod. The ABDL market may be growing, but in the scope of the overall diaper market we are a minority. We can make the best out of the options we have, but we don't have the volume to steer the market on our own -- just look at how swiftly the market switched to all cloth-back on so many disposable brands despite the overwhelming majority of ABDLs and even standalone ICs clamoring for the opposite. As people have pointed out many times in other threads, most ABDL diapers come from the same machine, or at least the same model of machine, with a strikingly similar cut and dimensions. There's a reason for that and it's low volume, low demand, and few options. I'm sure all merchants are at least passing these suggestions to their suppliers and making the desire known (I know I have been), and although one may commit to it one day, it all hinges on their decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akastus View Post
    This does need to be emphasised. If your product is so low capacity that it doesn't appeal to DLs (or ICs), then you've got a real problem, because I rather suspect that those for whom nappies are an end in itself, rather than just a means to regression, go through a hell of a lot more of them. DLs seem to wear as much as possible. I don't think that the same is true for "pure" ABs, as they to have to be in the right mindset for regressing.
    That's true. Why wear a discreet pull-up that holds 1000mL and can wear down when you can have a 4000mL ocean-stopping juggernaut that stays the exact same dimension 8 hours down the road as when you first put it on? Even if you wanted a slimmer or more discreet diaper, you could get a thinner plastic one with the same unbreakable frame that still holds more. Looks and novelty are nice, but even in the ABDL community functionality seems to come first!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Note View Post
    Citation, please.
    I know I should have provided one but it was late last night, which might also account for my sort of frustrated reply. I couldn't find one here, and Twitter is hard for such things, but we have jeremyi's comments and then this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ABDL/commen...hildlike_abdl/

    I have no interest in pull ups for myself but I'd love for some good ones to be on the market just so I wouldn't have to see the threads requesting them anymore.

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