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    Unhappy Who is watching us?

    I made the mistake of doing a bit of surfing and got curious about the news articles out there. Bad move. It seems that the media/public have us shoehorned into the category of Pedophiles. The news articles define us as "perverted", "sick", etc. This in itself doesn't bother me a bit. Our society is more Victorian than we can imagine. What does bug me is the degree that our privacy is being invaded in the name of "protecting the children". It makes me sick to think someone could violate the innocence of a child. That being said, it appears that we are under a microscope that is watching us for any sign that could be used to prosecute us.

    If I were to put an avatar of me when I was still in diapers, it would be totally innocent, harmless and ONLY a representation of ME when I was young. Certainly nothing sexual. Yet I fear that would be seen by politically motivated district attorneys as child abuse and punishable by a long prison term.

    God forbid I were to open a site that really was child porn by accident (I never would intentionally). How at risk have we put ourselves by even coming to a site like ADISC and relating to an unusual interest. We are guilty till proven innocent when it comes to sexual differences and it seems we would be hunted down on burned at the stake, never being able to explain that we would never harm a child. Even by the definitions that they use.

    This brings up to me the question of just how closely are we being watched. A cop I know says the FIRST place they go to is Facebook during an investigation. They have carte blanche surveillance of it regardless of what we think our constitutional right are. Would we be hauled in for questioning simply because we visited a facebook page totally unaware of another persons secrets? I find it interesting that certain programs like Bing cannot be removed by someone with only basic knowledge of computers. Even though I use a secure search engine Bing is watching (and reporting back?) to whomever it is that watches us. Why did the NSA build a computer center with a memory capacity this is regarded as "bottomless"? Why did they need the meta data of hundreds of millions of people? According to a book I read (Bursts) several years before the NSA revelation, a name and metadata alone could determine a persons whereabouts with a 98% accuracy. Where do we stand now?

    I get really scared about this and could use some other peoples perspective on this. Am I really just paranoid or should what I see in the news articles make me pack up and leave?

    As an older member here, I and my wife have raised two kids. The idea of someone hurting children in ANY way sickens me. That being said are we endangering ourselves by indulging in our fantasies AS ADULTS WITH ONLY ADULTS with the big brother mentality of our government watching and judging us? Search a few news articles with the term "diaper" and see what I mean....

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    I think it's very important to remember that news sites, news articles and the like have to drum up drama and sensationalize to get views. So I think it's very important you don't view the world through those lens, unfortunately. There was a time that traditional news was very different, but times have been harsh to them. The only way they can make people like us interesting is to make those kinda connections.

    With all things it's important to be careful, but as long as you are.. I see no reason to worry you will be convicted of any crimes you didn't commit. I do think on some level you are being paranoid, but that paranoia and fear in healthy doses is what keeps us safe, cautious, and aware. Fear is a superpower! Use it to help keep yourself safe, but don't drive yourself nuts in the process!

    I don't know about worrying about always being watched, but I've always subscribed to the opinion that you aren't do anything wrong you don't need to fear being watched. Wearing diapers or engaging in safe roleplay with other consensual adults is definitely included in not wrong.

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    Perception if 90% of reality - and the reality is the perception of what we do is very negative in many cases.

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    There is a saying that only the paranoid survive.

    Anyway, adisc already blocked ~18 year old members. So you're safer on this site then say a random search engine or other social media sites.

    Currently they are not actively going after criminals, and only in a few cases have used the data to destroy both political foes or criminals. However since this data is stored forever, at any point in the future this could change. And it would depend on who was in power at that time to what the data was used to target. Note that total data would probably prove you innocent of a crime, however depending on the one in power they may paint the picture they wish to see or others to see regardless of facts.



    Quote Originally Posted by gigglemuffinz
    I've always subscribed to the opinion that you aren't do anything wrong you don't need to fear being watched
    The thing about the data is not that it can be used just to find people who are guilty. but that some day, and in some cases already. It can be used to incriminate people for crimes they didn't even know they committed, or paint a picture that they did something more sinister that they where not. Any where on earth you have that much power you have corruption.

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    At the end of the day no matter what you do there will always be risks. Just try to minimize them by not looking up things on the open web that you know will have bad results/people in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metoo View Post

    This brings up to me the question of just how closely are we being watched. A cop I know says the FIRST place they go to is Facebook during an investigation. They have carte blanche surveillance of it regardless of what we think our constitutional right are. Would we be hauled in for questioning simply because we visited a facebook page totally unaware of another persons secrets? I find it interesting that certain programs like Bing cannot be removed by someone with only basic knowledge of computers. Even though I use a secure search engine Bing is watching (and reporting back?) to whomever it is that watches us. Why did the NSA build a computer center with a memory capacity this is regarded as "bottomless"? Why did they need the meta data of hundreds of millions of people? According to a book I read (Bursts) several years before the NSA revelation, a name and metadata alone could determine a persons whereabouts with a 98% accuracy. Where do we stand now?

    I get really scared about this and could use some other peoples perspective on this. Am I really just paranoid or should what I see in the news articles make me pack up and leave?..

    Moo has said before that the police know about this site & he's worked with them in the past to stay on their good side.

    People fear what they don't understand. We've been (mistakenly) grouped in with pedos for a long time, & there are some people that might actually do those things that consider themselves to be AB/DL. So, it's a wise move on Moo's part to actively work with them, so that those of us that are Truly good has a place to congregate.

    Don't fall for all the media hype. They do those stories to bring fear & sell commercials. If they didn't do those stories, media coverage would be boring & consumers would go somewhere else.

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    I just watch a show on I think it was Nova. there were showing all the stuff the government's are doing for surveillance on people. they track people email's, phone calls. they can even track you buy you cell phones. and now there putting up U.S. military spy drone witch are up for day at a time, and store the info they get the from then. the new drone will be able to stay up for much longer. anyway it was a neat show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metoo View Post
    A cop I know says the FIRST place they go to is Facebook during an investigation. They have carte blanche surveillance of it regardless of what we think our constitutional right are. Would we be hauled in for questioning simply because we visited a facebook page totally unaware of another persons secrets?
    There's a few things you're misunderstanding here. Firstly, no, the police cannot simply access anyone's social media accounts and see what they are up to. You need to understand how legal proceedings work. The police legally can NOT access your account without a warrant. If they did so and presented the evidence they collected to a court of law, when challenged with 'So how'd you get this?', 'illegally checking the defendants computer' will get any of that evidence thrown out. They would need a warrant, to get a warrant they would need sufficient cause to get a warrant, so they would need to have enough evidence to present to a judge that would prove that you're probably up to something criminal. 'Cause you like adults wearing diapers' will NOT fall into this category.

    FaceBook, Google, all of these sites would simply not honor a request for information or account access from police without a warrant. Granted, plenty of stuff can be learned from the PUBLIC content seen on someone's Facebook profile. If you were arrested, the police could search your phone with it falling under probable cause. The exact function of this would depend on where you live. Here in Canada for example, if you were arrested the police would need probable cause that the phone be reasonable. Police pull you over for driving twice the speed limit? Phone is off limits. Police arrest you for drug dealing? Well now you'd likely be using the phone to communicate these deals and they can search it. There are plenty of cases where evidence gets thrown out because it was collected incorrectly or illegally. Criminal courts require the entire discovery of the evidence to be legal. So no, police DON'T have carte blanche to survive people as they see fit.

    Similarly, your NSA concerns are irrelevant. The NSA and other intelligence agencies do NOT share resources or communicate on topics outside of threats to national security. If the NSA or other agency was scowering collected data to find the next terrorist attack and they came across a ring of child porn dealers they wouldn't do ANYTHING. They would skip over it and go right on to the next chunk of data. It would be a HUGE liability. The NSA can't tip off your local cops about your criminal behavior and have HOW they collected that evidence be explained in a court of law. Nah, nope. Similarly, if the NSA had decryption methods that are not known outside of their realm they would NOT supply it to law enforcement to decrypt some pedophiles hard drive. That decryption method would be VALUABLE, they would NEVER let it out to 'mere law enforcement' and risk having that method get out into the wild. If you're not plotting to blow something up the NSA won't bother with you.

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    I would almost relish being falsely accused because I would sue their ass off. To be honest, there are so many real crimes taking place all around us, that never get caught, charged or prosecuted. I would hope they had bigger fish to fry than chase after an adult wearing a diaper. I think you have to keep this in perspective.

    That said, I heard on Public Radio, Market Place show, the new Samsung Smart TVs have a camera that sees you, and you have to go to the menu to disable it if you don't want to be spied on. They use it to collect data on your preferences. It sounds creepy to me.

    Samsung TV: "Oh look. Some guy typing "dogboy" is sitting there wearing a diaper!!!! Hahahahahahaha!"

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    I think there really isn't much to worry about. Even if someone accused you of being a pedophile and went to the cops and they found out you are an AB/DL, there isn't much they can do unless there is proof behind such accusations. Of course they will investigate, but that really is about it.



    Quote Originally Posted by AshleyAshes View Post
    There's a few things you're misunderstanding here. Firstly, no, the police cannot simply access anyone's social media accounts and see what they are up to. You need to understand how legal proceedings work. The police legally can NOT access your account without a warrant. If they did so and presented the evidence they collected to a court of law, when challenged with 'So how'd you get this?', 'illegally checking the defendants computer' will get any of that evidence thrown out. They would need a warrant, to get a warrant they would need sufficient cause to get a warrant, so they would need to have enough evidence to present to a judge that would prove that you're probably up to something criminal. 'Cause you like adults wearing diapers' will NOT fall into this category.
    I think you are the one who misunderstood, because the OP never said that. I am pretty sure he/she meant public profile. Not literally going to the company.

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    I'm not sure who (if anyone) is watching ABDLs especially closely, but I'm not really bothered by it. There's no law against an adult wearing a onesie or watching CBeebies, so I think anyone spying on my online activity would be wasting their time* (*unless they like Spotify playlists of cheesy '80s hits).

    Sure, if you're watching diaper porn then obviously that's more likely to draw the suspicions of anyone conducting surveillance, but again - there's nothing illegal about watching consenting adults do non-Vanilla things. I think a bit of paranoia is natural when it comes to online security, but common sense states that if you're not doing anything illegal, then there's probably not a whole lot any snooping individual can do about it.

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