I must also add that "cisgender" is an actual term and used by those who are transgender, such as myself. To be told that is "dumb" is very rude and immature.
Last edited by Mitsukuni; 25-Jul-2014 at 01:32. Reason: -
It's moronic. To me, being called the stupid term "cis" is as abhorrent as being called a "tranny." I didn't create the term for myself, and I don't like people who are their biological sex being labeled as such, it's as simple as that. Agree to disagree, but don't call me a cis and I won't call anyone a "tranny." To me, both terms are just about the same.
Not only this, considering you're trans, and not the term "cis," on what grounds do you think you're eligible to be upset that someone thinks that the term is idiotic? You really don't - you're labeling something you're not a name that you're going to get upset at when the people whom are labeled it say it's stupid. You have zero right to be upset that someone hates it and calls it stupid. You're not the label you're using, you just made a label for a type of person that you're not and then said "this is you, you are this," regardless of the say of the people whom you attached this label to.
This is why that term is probably one of the moronic things I've heard in a long time and why it should not exist. You should never be allowed to create a name for a type of person that you're not and then act like you're allowed to be offended or upset when someone insults said label. I could do the same thing for "tranny," but that's disgusting and wrong to do. If I was an actual trans person and I called myself a "tranny," then I have that right to do, but because I'm not trans, I have zero right to call anyone a "tranny," just like trans people should have zero right to call anyone a "cis."
Double-standards are one of the worst things in the world, and this is a prime example of it. You cannot have things like this both ways.
Of course, "you" in the case of "you created this term" refers to an entire group of people, not a particular or specific person.
Cisgender - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please educate yourself before arguing over a term that 1) Was not directed at you, or anyone specifically in the first place. 2) Is non-derogatory term that is legitimately used to describe those who are comfortable with their gender identity that matches the sex you were born with.
Please do not even try to bring in a "double standard" argument. In this case it is simply not possible. You are not being harassed, threatened, or otherwise because you are not trans. Cis is a non-derogatory term that is not a slur. Tr*nny is a slur used to hurt and berate their identity, and is associated with violence against trans people. I am all for not putting labels on people, believe it or not. However, when used in a topic that regards trans issues and topics, the term cisgender is an important place holder. If you were to reread the post I had originally created that contained the term cisgender, you would see that I was using the term correctly and in a non-offensive way as only a placeholder for someone (or in this case, something) who is not trans. Be upset and angry all you want, but they are not equal terms.
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This is called a double-standard, and it's moronic and has no place in this world. I did not design the label "cis" for myself, so do not act as though you have this right to refer to me as it. You're trans, not "cis," the label is not meant for you. You should hold no bearing in this world that gives you any basic right to refer to anyone as such, yet you do, and you argue and stomp your foot that you should be allowed. If that's the case, I argue and stop my foot that I should be able to use any of the three labels above. Whether or not it is insulting or a slur is subjective to the person, although apparently the subjectivity lies in what type of person said it.
You can easily say "nontrans" person, because that is exactly what people who are not trans are: they are non-trans people. They are not trans. "Cis" is a term that holds zero place in this world. At the bottom if the article you linked, there is a criticism that I entirely agree with, although it is only about a sentence long. The article itself isn't long to begin with, so I hold nothing against how short the criticism's part is. "Cis" stands for "Comfortable in Skin." You cannot make that claim towards me, what makes you think that I'm comfortable with who I am or that I'm comfortable in my own skin, just because I'm not trans? What makes you think that other trans people are not comfortable in their own skin even though they see themselves as the wrong gender? You can't make these claims. The term means something entirely different from just "not trans," yet it's used to simply describe someone who is not trans, although "non-trans" works just as well and even further pushes the point that they are on equal grounds with one another.
I am not a "cis" and you are not a "tranny." I am non-trans and you are trans - we are equals.
And yes, I understand that "cis" is latin for "across from," and "cis" people are across from, or opposites of, trans people. Although a simple google search with "CIS Comfortable in Skin" will bring you across virtually every tumblr on the planet that has something to do with trans people, and you'll see that all of their usage of "cis" is to mean Comfortable in Skin, and they declare every single time that it indeed does mean Comfortable in Skin. Although the word is latin and is actually supposed to mean something different from what everyone thinks it does, the majority of the people who use it do not realize it and use it to mean the acronym instead.
Last edited by KuroCat; 26-Jul-2014 at 19:41.
Are cis people seriously objecting to the adjective 'cisgender'? Like ?? Are people going to start wetting their pants over being called 'white' or 'short' now? Cis literally JUST means 'not trans'. If you are not trans/non-binary you are LITERALLY cis. The use of a completely objective and descriptive term cannot in any way compare to the use of a slur with a horrific and painful history. If you cannot see any difference in connotation and meaning between, say, 'f*ggot' and 'gay man'
This is like throwing a fit over somebody describing your (brown) hair as being 'brown'. You want everyone to call it chestnut! CHESTNUT, DAMMIT!
I'm overweight. I don't particularly like hearing it, but you know, that word is /literally/ what I am. There are polite euphemisms ('chubby', 'cuddly') words more commonly used ('fat') or nasty insults ('fatty', 'land whale') to describe my body. Maybe I'd prefer one of those. But in descriptions of me, 'overweight' is completely accurate, and it would be ludicrously childish for me to say I refuse to be described as overweight - that 'non-thin' is my preferred identification, thank you. It would be even more childish for me to compare being called 'overweight' (which I objectively am) to being called a 'f*ggot' or any other slur.
??? Just ??? what is this even.