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    I'm going to be frank and just outright say that the U.S seems to be falling apart. We have protests and arrests over mundane issues, and and blatant misuse of power by those who should have our best interests in mind. The government is divided between the Democrats ant the Republicans who are more interested in "Getting" the so called "Other side" than they are in coming to an agreement about even the simplest of things. There's a good reason why this has been called the most unproductive congress we've seen so far. So I want a nice healthy discussion about this, with no outright blaming either side as both are to blame for the overall state of the country.

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    The democrats have tried to pass quite a few pieces of good, solid legislation that's fallen victim to obstructionism.

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    I have to give you that many seemingly sensible pieces of legislation have been blocked recently and some that should have been were let past.

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    I've lived long enough to see and feel that this is the most dysfunctional government I've ever seen. That said, I wouldn't say that the U. S. is falling apart. I was of drafting age during the Vietnam War and I believe those times were far more chaotic, more destructive and polarized than at present. Nixon had divided the nation between blue collar workers and intellectuals. Students seemed to be his number one enemy and he got rid of 55,000 of them by sending them to Asia. At the same time, the civil rights movement was met with riots in the streets and cities burning. It took a long time for white society to understand the plight of the black man, and longer to do something about it.

    Now, big business is destroying our democratic way of life, in my semi-informed opinion. Politicians don't serve their constituents but rather, work to be reelected. They're more interested in the power of party than the well being of the American people. I might add that both sides are guilty of this and I don't see a solution.

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    I come from a family which is overwhelmingly employed in public service, whether it be the federal government, law enforcement, the military, whatever...so my views might be a bit biased.

    However, I'd say that the notion that the country is falling apart is a massive sensational exaggeration.

    When the vast majority of people think of the US government, they (correctly) think of the elected politicians of Congress..the President, and the like. However, I think it's important to note that aside from that relatively small chunk of people, there are a massive number of non-elected folks that work day in and day out to keep this country afloat.

    Politicians be damned, the real reason this country still exists is the dreaded bureaucracy that everyone loves to hate and yet doesn't truly understand. A lot of the time, people who work in the government take on a quiet warrior role, where their vital efforts often go unnoticed. But it is they, not the Obama's and Reid's and Mcconnell's of the world that make the difference.

    For every brain dead, idiot politician that is shown plastered all over the media on a mind numbing basis, there's a hundred devoted patriots working in the background to make life possible..and as long as that foundation is intact we'll be alright.

    Plus, beyond the government itself, it would be foolish to think that the worlds strongest economy is going to fizzle out overnight. Ups and lows shouldn't be regarded as the massive economic collapse that the shitty sensationalist news organizations we have today would make you think they are.

    We have huge problems, most of them long term problems that aren't easily tackled by a shortsighted political system. But--with a bit of patience and intelligent thinking, America will no doubt get through it, as we have always managed to do in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    Nixon had divided the nation between blue collar workers and intellectuals. Students seemed to be his number one enemy and he got rid of 55,000 of them by sending them to Asia. At the same time, the civil rights movement was met with riots in the streets and cities burning. It took a long time for white society to understand the plight of the black man, and longer to do something about it.

    Now, big business is destroying our democratic way of life, in my semi-informed opinion. Politicians don't serve their constituents but rather, work to be reelected. They're more interested in the power of party than the well being of the American people. I might add that both sides are guilty of this and I don't see a solution.

    I have to agree with this sentiment, and add a few caveats.

    It started way before Nixon. There is stuff that go back to Truman, IKE, and JFK.

    The emphasis was the defeat of "communism" and we started down a lot of roads that we are still dealing with to this day.

    The "civil rights movement" had a lot of faces but the Black population was the most focused on. There was a lot of protest going on and the "liberation of the population" began.

    If I am going to point a finger at any one president it would be LBJ. His "war on poverty" did nothing but start the class structure envy and belief in entitlement that has gone to the socialist side of the spectrum.

    The classification of America has gotten worse and with the capital investment mentality of big business has gotten to a point that the live ability for the working class is jeopardized.

    IT is definitely come down to the have's and have not's, but not in the way one would expect.

    Carter pushed for a down size of government and less foreign affairs to the point that the embassy in Iran was captured. Then Regan came in and rebuilt the US foreign power control with the backing of the crumbs we are now fighting today.

    Clinton did not do much better but he cut back on the extensive visibility that was done before his administration. Thus the issues started earlier were allowed to run free without the checks and balances.

    The administrations since then have just been reactionary and therefore non productive.

    The issues of control of the country got away from the "checks and balances" on an exponential curve.

    I remember the Regan era argument that the "Tip O'Neal Government is out of gas" campaign and the swing the opposite direction and the establishment of the big business trickle down theory. That did nothing but create a big deep pockets with little return.

    Then under the Clinton administration the controls were applied and the shift started back to the "liberal side". But instead the business found a way to over come it and shipped the jobs out of country.

    Under Bush the situation got worse and the White house side attempted to shift to a mediation type outlook and everything went stagnate and started to fester.

    Then came along the new beginning and Obama's administration.

    The big thing to look at is that the economy was in the same shape when Clinton took over and Obama. The difference is the stimulation package affair. Clinton went down in flames and the economy recovered in 2 years. With Obama the package went through and it has taken over 6 years to get back to the same spot but everything is in a turmoil.

    Both parties are responsible and the business of this country is to be at fault.

    The thing that I see as Ironic is the load mouths that protested in the 70's are the ones in charge and they have actually done worse then the Politian's they protested against for not wanting to change.

    All I can do is vote for the people that are along my line of belief and hope to god they actually do something.

    The people of this country are the once that are actually at fault for this mess because they vote on rhetoric, but never look at how these people are going to make jobs and create a living wage.

    More jobs at places like Wal-Mart and strip malls are not living wages. Add to that that you almost have to have a college degree to do the job our parents did 50 years ago and you are in debt when you get it.

    I do have to say I do not have an all out answer, so I to am just as guilty of being part of the problem and not a part of the solution.

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    Both sides have obstructed the other through the years. To say it is just one sides fault makes you blind and ignorant.

    I have said it before and I will say it again. Get rid of the two party system. The general public has become too stupid to listen to the issues. Its become a war of republicans vs democrats. People pick and side and even if the other side had something good, they would Ignore it.

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    A few years back I figured that America was gonna pay for the wars in Afghan and Iraq. The soviet union fell apart after trying to invade it by force and I had a feeling that something similar was going to happen here. The most obvious thing that happened was the collapse of the economy in 2008. Banks are getting away with hurting customers for profit, police are now way more militarized then they should be and people just trust anymore. Its a sad state for the country but I haven't given up hope yet, its gonna change soon one way or another. Hopefully for the better.

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    I wouldn't say our government is falling apart, we are simply stuck. And yet what I blame is the severe bipartisanism, it seems no one Democrat or Republican has ever heard the word compromise. It is also the fault of people who don't vote (in any election) and then complain about this country's problems, those people just exacerbate the situation.

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    I'm not American, I'm from Canada, just north of the border. The issue here is the decision around the Keystone pipeline,which would run through Canada, and Obama' s unwillingness to take a stand on it. Rather than be a president that stands up for the environment, he has delayed making a decision until after the last election, and now seems to be procrastinating again until after the midterm election. He knows that he will most certainly alienate members of his own party by approving it and face the wrath of environmental groups. I just wish he had the courage to make the decision and stand by it rather than continually punting it back to the next election.

    I was also disappointed with his hawkish stand in Syria last year which could have resulted in many more deaths. His Nobel Peace Prize should have been rescinded.

    As a gay person, I was happy to see that he became more accepting of the concept of gay marriages. His position on this actually got stronger while he was in office.

    I also agree with some of the sentiments expressed that the Democrats have tried to pass reasonable legislation bit were blocked by Republicans, particularly the moderate gun restriction proposals after the Sandy Hook massacre of children, and the Republicans attempts to block the passing of the budget based on rehashing the insurance debate.

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