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    Default How To Deal With Fishy Claims

    As a site, our mission is to offer a supportive and mature environment for everyone. Tearing someone to shreds for sharing an experience that isn't exactly typical is very much counter to ADISC's mission. That being said, another one of our core rules is "be honest", which is why we also cannot let fishy stories simply slide. It is admittedly a very fine balance that the community tries to maintain.

    This is where this article comes in: it is a guide that explains how to respond to weird and unusual stories while remaining tactful. It also attempts to show how to effectively balance being supportive and calling out liars. Keep in mind that if you are unsure about the veracity of a story, it never hurts to use the report button and just let a moderator deal with said fishy story. After all, the report button is there for that exact purpose: to let the staff know when there is a post which needs a closer look.

    Things to Keep in Mind When Replying to a Fishy Post

    Follow the Rules

    This is probably the most important thing to keep in mind. As mentioned above, while on ADISC its rules apply to you at all times. Specifically, this means that you should strive to:
    • Be polite when answering other members.
    • Avoid causing drama – if you think that your post will cause drama, you may want to review your post to see if it can be reworded or, alternatively, just not click the "submit post" button at all.
    • When confronting other members, try to do it in a way that is not confrontational or accusatory. Remember, we are a support community, not a court of law.
    • Present your skepticism in a constructive manner by making helpful suggestions on what stands out as needing more context, so as not to rub the community the wrong way. It's not ok to simply order someone to defend himself by giving us more details.

    Give Other Users the Benefit of the Doubt

    While a story might sound rather unlikely, that does not make it impossible. Short of demonstrable lying and contradictions, you should always phrase posts in a way that gives the poster maximum benefit of the doubt.

    This does not mean that you have to believe them and it also does not mean that you shouldn't question their story – it means that if you're going to call BS, you have to be as fair as possible to the poster and leave the door open for them to clarify. You're allowed to tell said member you have doubts, and politely point out every last thing which has raised your eyebrows. What you can't do is simply post "BS" and/or accuse them of outright lying unless you can actually demonstrate such to be the case.

    Don't Judge a Story's Veracity by the Poster's Demographic Group

    You should never use a member's stated age, gender, sexual orientation or ethnicity as basis to question their post. Stating that you have good reasons to believe that a member is, for example, not the age that they claim to be due to a contradiction in their post is allowable since it's based on a contradiction. Stating that their post is a lie solely because of their age is not.

    Gently Probe for Details

    When something about a member's post seems odd, the best thing to do is to gently ask for more details. Sometimes in the excitement of sharing a story, people tend to omit important details. By asking for more details you are not only showing interest in the member, but you are also forcing them to share more of their account.

    If their story checks out, it should become more believable as they post more. If they are lying, however, they will start covering up lies with more lies and they will eventually start contradicting themselves.

    There's no need to accuse the poster of outright lying, because if he is, he'll make it very obvious as he struggles to answer follow-up questions. Meanwhile, if the story is actually true, by being aggressive, you'll make the poster feel extremely unwanted and unwelcome. Gently probing is always better than simply calling BS.

    Be Specific When Questioning a Story

    You should be as specific as possible when questioning the validity of a story. Simply saying "your story smells fishy" is not going to get us anywhere. Instead, you should point out contradictions or unlikelihoods in a specific and mature manner. You can draw on information within one post/thread, show apparent contradictions with other posts from the users, or bring in external information if it's relevant.

    Be Careful When Giving Negative Reputation for Lying

    Lying is a valid reason to receive negative reputation, and the reputation system is indeed one way in which ADISC can deal with people that post false stories. That being said, you should always think twice before giving negative reputation for that reason. Is the story a lie, or is it simply very unlikely? This can be a difficult distinction to make, and you should only deduce reputation for that reason if you are sure beyond any reasonable doubt that the member is lying. Be specific when writing down the reason for the deduction of a reputation point; simply saying "you lied" will invariably result in your reputation comment being deleted.

    If you are unsure about the honesty of a member, you can always give the user a neutral reputation comment, giving a short summary of your doubts. This would be useful if you had a reason to maintain anonymity when voicing your criticism. That said, anonymity is not a license to berate the poster; using reputation system for personal attacks will not be tolerated.

    If in Doubt, Use the Report Button

    If you think that someone has posted a story that is most likely to be untrue, then you should absolutely report that post to the moderation team through the report button. This will allow the moderators to delete obvious lies (and potentially warn/moderate/ban the member responsible for them), keep an eye on members who post suspicious material, and prevent threads containing suspect material from descending into utter chaos. Remember, if you report it, a moderator will see it and take appropriate actions.

    Examples of How to Respond to Fishy Posts

    I'll now give a few sample posts which could generate some replies screaming "BS!" and I'll show how instead to properly respond to them:

    Possible Story, But a Little Off

    These are the posts that appear to be plausible but contain a few details which seem unlikely.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustCameOut
    Hi guys, I just came out to my mom and it went great! She's really accepting and she's bought me diapers!
    There is nothing impossible about such post; despite the usual clamor, it is not true that parents never buy diapers for their child after they come out as a AB – it's just very rare. However many people will be justifiably suspicious after reading it. While some coming outs do turn out well, it's rather rare that they turn out that well. After all, most parent's first reaction to finding out their child is a AB is not, "That's wonderful dear, let's go buy you diapers!"

    It's quite possible that this is a lie, but it's also plenty possible that JustCameOut is a less than eloquent overexcited teenager who simply omitted some clarifying details in his rush to share his experience. In this kind of situation, you should not assume that the poster is lying, but you should gently ask for more details to see how things pan out. A proper response would be something along those lines:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReasonableUser
    Hi JustCameOut, it's really cool that your mom is so accepting. How did telling her you are a AB go exactly? And on a related topic, why exactly did your mom decide to buy you diapers?
    As you see, ReasonableUser's response doesn't accuse JustCameOut of lying. Rather, this response shows interest and asks for more details to help get a better overall picture of what did (or did not) happen. ReasonableUser is not coming close to directly accusing JustCameOut of being dishonest, and is giving JustCameOut all the room in the world to either come back with good clarifying details or hang himself with accumulating lies. If the story is true, JustCameOut will feel welcomed from the warm reaction and interest in his situation, and if it's false, ReasonableUser has given us a chance to get the kind of evidence that might prove him a liar.

    They are three typical ways in which JustCameOut might respond to ReasonableUser. He might offer further clarifications that make his story more readily believable, such as the fact that while he was bought diapers, his mom is also insisting he see a therapist. Or, he might respond in a way that make his story appear less believable. Finally, he might ignore ReasonableUser's post. In the first case, the matter can be dropped entirely, as the story is now much more plausible. In the second case, you should re-evaluate your response based on JustCameOut's new post. And finally in the final case, you should continue to gently encourage JustCameOut to offer more details. The more JustCameOut gets asked for details, the more he'll feel obligated to provide them

    Probable but Inappropriate Story

    They are times where a member will post a story that is completely believable, however it might not be quite what we're looking for on ADISC. For example, a member might post something in a tone resembling what you would typically see on a fetish site:

    Quote Originally Posted by HornyUser
    I'm posting this because Master said I should. He keeps me in diapers all the time and I always obey him and I'm wearing a collar right now and forevermore! When I have an accident he punishes me severely and makes me stand in the corner for ever and ever, oh my!
    Again, this story is far from unbelievable as Master/slave relationships and BDSM activities are somewhat common in the ABDL community. This does not mean you should simply accept the post at face value, as it's easy to see this being a troll, for example, but the main problem is that this somewhat inappropriate for a support site like ADISC, so this is what your reply should primarily reflect:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReasonableUser
    Hi HornyUser, I'm happy to see you seem to be in a relationship that works for you. That being said, I must point out that ADISC is a support site for people that are ABDL, not so much a fetish site. This is why a detailed account of what you do with your partner in private, such as descriptions of scenes, is not really what we are looking for. There is nothing wrong with sharing those things, it's just that since we are a support community this is not the right place to do so.
    The goal of that kind of reply isn't to make HornyUser feel guilty or bad; it's simply to explain to him why his post is unlikely to be well received. Most of the time people get the message quickly and either change their posting style or leave for more adult sites. In the case where HornyUser continues to post using his slave persona, you should simply report him to the staff team so they can evaluate the situation. You may also give negative reputation if the content of the post gets too adult.

    Improbable Story Told in a Sensible Manner

    Every once in a while we will get members that claim to have suffered abuse with diapers or otherwise unlikely AB/DL-event, and who wish to share their story. Those stories are often rather outlandish, and it's easy to dismiss them as lies. The problem with doing so is that there have been proven cases of horrible child abuse that where completely outlandish things happen which go far beyond simple forced diapering and confinement – yet it did not make those cases any less true.

    Yes, most of these tales will just be someone's sexual fantasy or a troll going for broke, but what if one of those child-turned-teenager or adult joined ADISC hoping for support only to be laughed at as a pervert? This is obviously not something we want to see happen, and this is why we must tread carefully with those kind of stories:

    Quote Originally Posted by AbusedUser
    When I was 12 my parents died and I was adopted by my aunt. She forced me to sleep in a dog cage and wear diapers all the time. It was terrible, and child services didn't take me away from her until I was 15. But as weird and sick as it sounds, my interest for diapers and bondage started around that time, and now I am really confused… help!
    Abuse stories of this nature have been confirmed to have happened in the past. They don't happen often, but tragically they do happen. This is why, unless you have reasons to suspect AbusedUser is a liar, you should answer in a way that doesn't feed a fantasy or a troll, but which assumes that there is a chance that it is the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by ReasonableUser
    I am sorry to hear about what happened to you when you were younger, AbusedUser. While we are a support site for ABDLs, what you experienced is far outside of the range of experience that the majority of the member base has. If you seek support that's directly related to the abuse you suffered, I would urge you to consult a psychologist and to look for a local support group for abuse victims. Obviously, though, you're welcomed to stay here too, and we will do our best to help you come to term with any ABDL feelings you might have
    While members are more than welcomed to post about personal experiences that go beyond ADISC's subject matter, it's probably best to point out to someone like AbusedUser that ADISC is not a support site for abused victim, and that we can't really give him support beyond a pat on the back and a virtual hug, as abuse goes beyond the experience of the average member.

    In cases like there, there would be nothing inherently wrong to point out to AbusedUser that his experience is a little bit farfetched and hard to believe. This does not mean that it's okay to call him a liar, but that it is acceptable to explain to him that he might have difficulty having people completely believe his story since, this being the Internet, we have all been burned in the past by people that claimed to be something they were not.

    This should be done in a way that does not challenge him to try and prove his truthfulness, as ADISC is a support community, not a court of law. Saying "I don't believe you, I think you're a liar," is not the right way to display skepticism at an unlikely story, but something along the lines of "I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but please understand that your story can seem a little bit farfetched. I'm not saying that you're lying, but I am a little bit skeptical as we have had members in the past that pretended to be something they were not," is acceptable.

    Improbable Story told in an Outlandish Manner

    Sometimes there are stories that are so ridiculous and presented in such a manner that there's no need real need to worry about the story actually being true. Here would be one such example:

    Quote Originally Posted by LyingUser
    When I was 12 my parents decided to forced me to sleep in a dog cage and wear diapers all the time. It's really cool, anybody else in the same situation?
    Content-wise this is a little bit similar to our last example, in fact from a really high level perspective it's the same story. The big difference is reaction it expresses to the unlikely situation. The previous example sounds like something written by a victim while the current example sounds like something that was typed one-handed.

    The distinction is not always evident, though. A good, though not absolute, test to distinguish the two is whether or not the poster acknowledges that the treatment described is abusive. If their reaction to the situation is largely inconsistent with how any sane person would respond to that situation, then that's essentially a contradiction.

    If you are not sure whether or not the post sounds like a true account or a fantasy, then it is preferred that you report the post and leave that judgment call in the hands of the staff. If you are certain beyond reasonable doubts that the story is indeed just someone having a little bit too much fun on ADISC, then you should absolutely report the post and give the user negative reputation.

    If you choose to respond, be more creative than simply calling "BS". Have a little bit of fun taking the guidelines in this article to the extreme:

    Quote Originally Posted by ReasonableUser
    Wow, that's one coming out that went well. And to think I considered myself lucky when all my dad did when he saw my yellow sleeper was telling me I look like a banana :O

    Well, I hope that the whole forced diapering stuff works out for you, and that neither child services nor the ADISC staff finds you, because I'm afraid both those groups would end your fun. For shame!
    Just don't be too disappointed if the entire thread disappears from view.

    It is important to reiterate that unless you are absolutely sure that a user will be banned, you should tread lightly. Moreover, in a situation as above, you're better off being humorous and a bit passive-aggressive than simply aggressive. Even when it's blatantly obvious that a story must absolutely 100% be BS, it's still not optimal to just aggressively call "BS".

    If you're ever in any doubt on whether a post is a potential cry for help, or an obvious fantasy story, then please report and move on.

    The Scary Story

    Luckily, we very rarely get posts where we hope, and pray, that the poster is lying through their teeth. However one or two such situations have happened in the past. Just in case one ever happens again, we'll cover how to deal with it. Here's an example of such a post:

    Quote Originally Posted by HorribleUser
    There is a ten year old next door that I babysit sometimes, and I'm trying to get him to wear diapers. I already gave him a little survey and it looks like he might be willing to play along. Anyway, figured I'd ask what you guys think
    If you ever see something like that, immediately report it and give the author a negative reputation point.

    If you are on IRC and see a staff member that is active, inform them of the situation as soon as possible, as this is a legitimate emergency situation. ADISC's staff takes this kind of self-incrimination extremely seriously, and the sooner they are informed of them the better.

    Dignifying such garbage with a reply is wholly unnecessary. The post/thread will rapidly be deleted, and the poster reported to the relevant real-life authorities.
    Last edited by Fruitkitty; 30-Dec-2014 at 03:40.

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