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    Alright here is what happened. I was at a movie theater waiting to watch a movie when I decided to just go diapered thinking I wanted to make sure that nothing was going to interrupt me from watching the movie rather then out of any need medical or otherwise. I decided to just spend the whole day at the shopping mall I was at and decided to take a look around looking for restrooms I might actually need to change in. Now just so you know I'm 6'6" tall and in order to change I require a handicap stall that is big enough for me.

    I went into the mall and looked around and found 2 bathrooms that are just bathrooms with a locked door instead of the usual handicap stalls. After finding those 2 rooms I just started to look around more when I noticed Nature calling. Now keep in mind I NEVER mess intentionally because I am conscientious of both the smell and of those around me. Also keep in mind that I was thinking about wearing a diaper for convenience rather then medical need at the time. Well I started to head to the nearest restroom when I simply completely voided.

    If I was not already wearing a diaper and I was seriously thinking of not having one on that day there is no doubt in my mind I would have left a brown trail to the bathroom and not been able to even get to the handicap bathroom without making a mess. Also this accidental voiding would have occurred in the middle of a shopping mall and there would not have been less then then 30 witnesses to this had I not been wearing a diaper already.

    I will be asking my doctor about this obviously. I know for a fact that this is a underlying medical issue. You see this is probably the side effect of one of my medications I have been taking for diabetes (type 2). This medication causes severe diarrhea and I seem to have other as yet undiagnosed issues. I simply do not have a urge to go until like the last 30 minutes(until 5 days ago) for some reason. I also seem to have some memory and mild cognition disorders and I am seeing a specialist about that next month too.

    Now in order to prevent further accidents I am simply doing a carbohydrate moratorium on myself by temporarily not even allowing myself the 50 grams of carbohydrates (carbohydrates breakdown into sugars for those who don't know this) that I am allowed to get everyday to just as few as possible by becoming a vegetarian. Keep in mind I have already reversed the effects of the diabetes I was experiencing 6 months ago and my blood sugar has actually gone down to normal levels in 1 month and that was 5 months ago. I have stopped taking the medication and I have stopped eating anything other then vegetables to make sure my blood sugar stays normal.

    I have completely altered my diet already 6 months ago and I have NOT gone over 50 grams of sugars or carbohydrates a day in the last 6 months to handle these issues and I have been taking my medication as prescribed up to this point and when I stopped taking it my loose stools problem immediately went away. At this point I am getting maybe 20 grams of carbohydrates a day and no medication and based upon my lack of symptoms and the fact my blood sugar is normal when I check it all the time I seem to be doing just fine.

    I absolutely will be telling my doctor about this the next time I come in and talk about it. What I want to know from this forum is the question is this a good idea to do? keep in mind this is going to be only a temporary solution (I see my doctor next month) and at some point I am going to have to start eating small amounts of carbohydrates again or I will develop other illnesses but I have a some time before that becomes an issue.

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    Only one question before I answer any of the rest:

    you're 6'6" (now if my inch/metric conversion isn't perfectly rusted: that equals about 1.98m - which is tall, but certainly not giant-sized)... and because of your 6'6" you NEED a handicapped stall???
    c'mon - but honestly I've got a few friends who're 6'4-6'6 or so... and one is from my gym and is a serious "monster" (trust me, makes look most trained, tall men like children). and not even he needs a handicapped stall to do whatever.


    that aside:
    carbohydrates: meet - at least LEAN meats don't really have any carbs worth mentioning - they're rich in proteins...
    also: beef, chicken, pork, fish, etc... all low on the carb side...
    so no need to go into the dark land of vegetarians (sorry vegetarians, I'm a meat loving omnivore).


    Now to the rest:
    Accidents can happen - especially if you're suffering from diarrhea.... If it's caused by meds, I certainly would talk this over, as you say, with your doc asap.
    also you maybe consider talking to a doctor specialized on digestive problems (such as a gastroenterologist) - often times, aside from meds, your nutrition, certain intollerances (Such as lactose intollerance) can cause diarrheas / other related problems... might be worth getting checked.

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    Being a diabetic type one (formerly type two, but my pancreas is now shot, thanks to another prescribed drug I was on) and currently insulin dependent (now the only drug i'm on). I have a pretty good guess as to what medication you are currently on (Metformin?). Aside from the fact that my glucose goals, as well as my cholesterol goals aren't quite what the docs want it to be, I target 150mg/dl glucose, 125 cholesterol, they want 100/70, even prescribed me a statin which I refused (more about this later). My experience with metformin is that it is like a bad jailor, with extreme punishment for even the slightest breach in protocol, add Actos to this (no wonder I now am incontinent, and why Europe banned it) and it turns into quite the mess. Granted, weight loss doesn't come as easily now as it was on metformin, but I'm much happier now that a slight occasional overdose on carbs doesn't result in complete toileting misery for the next several days.
    I've found that 2 injections a day are alot less grief than this.

    As far as the Statins, I've found that most of the numbers the doctors target are due to heart health (lower is better, so really low is really good, right?), EXCLUDING every other issue. Thus prescribing this type of drug like candy. Myself, I know from prior experience, having had some mental health issues, these are exacerbated extremely when my cholesterol is down in the range they like to see, there are some studies that show that cholesterol levels below 125 can be really nasty in that department (and personal experience has borne this out).

    So, while I have no problem with a doctors' diagnosis, I will even follow their advice, to a degree, after some rather bad experiences with prescribed drugs, (sure bet on acquiring diabetes with one of them, borne out after the fact, class action lawsuits included), I generally take their advice with a grain of salt, and do alot of research when they prescribe a new drug to me, and refuse a prescription about 1/2 the time due to long term side effects.

    As far as intake of carbs go, I limit it pretty heavily, my take on bread is; if I'm going to eat it, it isn't going to be much, and it better be really good, worth the carb hit, I no longer even touch the cheap Wonderbread anymore, its a relatively rare treat anymore, not a daily staple

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    Quote Originally Posted by EPO1 View Post
    Only one question before I answer any of the rest:

    you're 6'6" (now if my inch/metric conversion isn't perfectly rusted: that equals about 1.98m - which is tall, but certainly not giant-sized)... and because of your 6'6" you NEED a handicapped stall???
    c'mon - but honestly I've got a few friends who're 6'4-6'6 or so... and one is from my gym and is a serious "monster" (trust me, makes look most trained, tall men like children). and not even he needs a handicapped stall to do whatever.


    that aside:
    carbohydrates: meet - at least LEAN meats don't really have any carbs worth mentioning - they're rich in proteins...
    also: beef, chicken, pork, fish, etc... all low on the carb side...
    so no need to go into the dark land of vegetarians (sorry vegetarians, I'm a meat loving omnivore).


    Now to the rest:
    Accidents can happen - especially if you're suffering from diarrhea.... If it's caused by meds, I certainly would talk this over, as you say, with your doc asap.
    also you maybe consider talking to a doctor specialized on digestive problems (such as a gastroenterologist) - often times, aside from meds, your nutrition, certain intollerances (Such as lactose intollerance) can cause diarrheas / other related problems... might be worth getting checked.
    Oh ok so I suppose that being in a city where the regular handicap stalls are only 2/3's the size of the regular one's in most other states has nothing to do with this? Having a walking Cain for the knee surgery that I have not quite fully recovered from and being broad shouldered and stocky to the point that I look like I have football pads on 24/7 without that being the case is not a good enough reason? Did you take such a good look over my personal medical files since you think you have a MD? There was a line filled with people who are definitely not physically handicap when I first found that stall as well. And I barely have enough room in most handicap stalls to even turn around in much less change a diaper in.

    At any rate the whole thing about meats is somewhat sound minus the fact that I just need to lose a little more weight and I get most of my proteins from eggs these days too. Also I once weighed 330 pounds and had a 2% body fat percentage once when I was younger. Back in March of 2013 I weighed 374 pounds and was just morbidly obese because I was unable to exercise for 2 years and 357 days due to me having torn ligaments in my knee that simply where never going to heal up right, and needed surgery that I was never going to get until I got insurance. Now I weigh 250 pounds and realize I am never going to be the same again so I plan to just swim the equivalent of 10 miles again in a swimming pool instead of just doing chin ups and bench pressing 250 pounds 500 times a day 3 times a week on top of that the way I used to. Trust me I used to be the "monster" once too, and I know what I am talking about too. I am well aware that lifting 250 pounds does not sound like much but that 500 times a day 3 times a week made me have hardened not bulky muscle so I could move around easier and be able to find clothes that fit. I am big tall and stocky,and my height is only part of the problem which is why I did not want to bulk out to an even more inconvenient size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bebehuey View Post
    Being a diabetic type one (formerly type two, but my pancreas is now shot, thanks to another prescribed drug I was on) and currently insulin dependent (now the only drug i'm on). I have a pretty good guess as to what medication you are currently on (Metformin?). Aside from the fact that my glucose goals, as well as my cholesterol goals aren't quite what the docs want it to be, I target 150mg/dl glucose, 125 cholesterol, they want 100/70, even prescribed me a statin which I refused (more about this later). My experience with metformin is that it is like a bad jailor, with extreme punishment for even the slightest breach in protocol, add Actos to this (no wonder I now am incontinent, and why Europe banned it) and it turns into quite the mess. Granted, weight loss doesn't come as easily now as it was on metformin, but I'm much happier now that a slight occasional overdose on carbs doesn't result in complete toileting misery for the next several days.
    I've found that 2 injections a day are alot less grief than this.

    As far as the Statins, I've found that most of the numbers the doctors target are due to heart health (lower is better, so really low is really good, right?), EXCLUDING every other issue. Thus prescribing this type of drug like candy. Myself, I know from prior experience, having had some mental health issues, these are exacerbated extremely when my cholesterol is down in the range they like to see, there are some studies that show that cholesterol levels below 125 can be really nasty in that department (and personal experience has borne this out).

    So, while I have no problem with a doctors' diagnosis, I will even follow their advice, to a degree, after some rather bad experiences with prescribed drugs, (sure bet on acquiring diabetes with one of them, borne out after the fact, class action lawsuits included), I generally take their advice with a grain of salt, and do alot of research when they prescribe a new drug to me, and refuse a prescription about 1/2 the time due to long term side effects.

    As far as intake of carbs go, I limit it pretty heavily, my take on bread is; if I'm going to eat it, it isn't going to be much, and it better be really good, worth the carb hit, I no longer even touch the cheap Wonderbread anymore, its a relatively rare treat anymore, not a daily staple
    thank you bebehuey. I am not at the point that I need insulin but it's going to be a eventuality. You see I am diabetic due to a genetic predisposition( I am 1/4 Cherokee or native American) and well I just figured I should not have meat until I see my doctor again because my injuries make it very hard for me to exercise and I use a Cain and I could stand to lose a little more weight. Your right they put me Metformin. Right now I have confirmed it definitely was the Metformin that was causing the diarrhea because since I stopped the the diarrhea has in fact gone away and Vegetables seem to be keeping me satisfied for now. Also I have eggs for proteins right now and I seem to be fine on that front too. I was on a strict diet before and needed to lose weight pretty fast anyways once I started to recover from some aggravated mental illness. Also I am only going to do this temporarily for about a Month and before I see my doctor again. She is booked up right now that's why I have to wait so long to see her. I might be able to get a appointment sooner by jumping into a vacated slot on her schedule and I will try to as well. I am only thinking is doing this at all even for a short period of time is a good idea?

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    While having an accident is something to worry about I don't think you can up and become incontinent you have to be suffering from a bladder infection or sideffects from poorly treated diabetes (the kind that isn't genetic I forget which type that is) or some other serious medical condition. It wouldn't be a bad idea to see your doctor about it, but it probably was just a freak accident caused by diarrhea. I would say if it happens three times you need to start being worried, but otherwise it is probably a case of montezuma getting his revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blablafreckenlover View Post
    While having an accident is something to worry about I don't think you can up and become incontinent you have to be suffering from a bladder infection or sideffects from poorly treated diabetes (the kind that isn't genetic I forget which type that is) or some other serious medical condition. It wouldn't be a bad idea to see your doctor about it, but it probably was just a freak accident caused by diarrhea. I would say if it happens three times you need to start being worried, but otherwise it is probably a case of montezuma getting his revenge.

    Yeah I know what you mean. I did not mention that this technically has happened more then 3 times it's just the other 2 times I was 10 seconds away from a toilet in my own apartment. I was barely able to get to the toilet in time but the truth of the matter is I am afraid to not be either diapered or at least 20 seconds away from a toilet right now.(until my temporary measures where started anyways) My other issues include a inability to even feel a need to go until like the very last minute. You see I am about to see a neuropsychologist because of issues possibly coming from Sensory Processing Disorder (SPD)(not diagnosed just showing symptoms of a lot of that). I appear to be under-responsive and this would tie into that. What I do know is that my pain receptors throughout my body are deadened partially. Those torn ligaments in my knee that I mentioned before while they really hurt probably did not cause me as much pain as a normal person would have gone through. I was more concerned about continuously tearing the inside of my knee up more then the pain so I had to take it easy and not exercise while I was in multiple homeless shelters and psyche wards years ago(2004-2009). The truth of the matter is the food they give you at shelters is loaded with carbohydrates and ultimately that is what probably triggered that genetic predisposition until I found out what not to eat. here's a link about that http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-bas...-diabetes.html

    I have effectively reversed my diabetes in 1 month after finding out about it and all things considered my A1C test never did get above 6.5(which my doctor told me was barely diabetic) and it dropped to a 5.7 one month after wards. I am going to say this right now though I intend to go back onto my medication probably the same day I see my doctor again and I intend to take such drastic measures very rarely and never for the long term.

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    I don't consider myself bowel incontinent though I have had the occasional bout of diarrhea that takes me by surprise (not diagnosed with, but am thinking I am fighting some level of IBS). Bladder incontinence has been a lifelong neurologic issue for me, and the worst thing I deal with is chronic cluster headaches. The cluster headaches are what are truly the worst thing in my life and necessitate the highest number of doctor visits and specialists that I see. At one point, the medications I was on for my clusters shut down testosterone production from my testicles and replacement therapy caused severe allergic reactions and I ended up losing both testicles.

    So needless to say, I have a battery of docs I see anymore: I rarely see my primary care doc, there are two neurologists I visit on a regular basis, a cardiologist (because the medication regimen for my clusters now is extremely high doses of a blood pressure/heart medication), and an endocrinologist to keep my testosterone levels appropriate.

    The endocrinologist who I had been seeing recently left to go to a research company for diabetes medication research. Considering he was so heavily focused on diabetes, he was constantly on me about blood sugar levels, even though mine have never been an issue. After fasting, my blood sugar levels are usually about 100, even after a big meal I don't tend to get above 150. They did my A1C the last few times I had blood drawn (to check hormone levels) and I run about 4.7. Needless to say, the endocrinologist finally gave up on harping on me about my blood sugar, admitting I am not diabetic in the least. The new endocrinologist who took over this guy's practice looked at my history and levels and has simply decided that it's not worth even looking that direction with me.

    I'm not in the best shape of my life, I could easily stand to lose a fair amount of weight. I do keep somewhat of an eye on what I eat, but I don't spend too much time worrying about it. With that said, genetics is probably the biggest factor in a lot of diseases/conditions. I work with a guy who is a regular weightlifter, body fat percentage down around 7%, when he was recently out for his sabbatical he was at the gym as many as five times per day. He's diabetic, it runs in his family. He's able to control it with diet and exercise, no problem, but even someone who can do several miles of running, weightlifting, and more exercise can still have issues.

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