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    It's everywhere, it's in everything, and everyone thinks it. Yup. The S word. Sex. It's been around since the dawn of humans, however you believe we got here, and beyond. Dinosaurs would be going around doing it. It is purely natural, but it is us humans that have perverted sex so much we worship it as if it was an entity.

    As I recently just got out of high school, I can guarantee you that society today is obsessed about it. Hanging out with guys I would occasionally hear "Damn, I'd f*** that." or if with girls "I wonder how big his d*** is" when referring to the cute guy nearby. I remember walking in on my parents a few times growing up. One time I went to go watch a movie I thought I left in the VCR, but I accidentally turned on my dad's porno. I didn't exactly knew what it was at the time, but even then I thought it to be nasty. Before my dad had to relocate because of a new job, they kicked me out of the house and gave me $10 to go watch a movie. I already knew what they were doing and wanted to watch an innocent movie to forget about it. Girls I had crushes on eventually became pregnant. One even had TWO kids before Graduating. A friend I had to leave was so obsessed about it she would get one night stands with guys pretty much every week (yes, she would be labeled a slut.) Kids make sex jokes all the time and it's just disrespectful. It's in most adult movies, and rumored to be referenced a lot in kid's movies, a lot of music has to do with it, there are a lot of erotica novels (I do stay away from them and read my sci-fi stuff), commercials advertising regular non-sexual products will be accompanied by a hot girl or a cute guy. Celebrities like Miley Cyrus (which is why I created this in the first place), Robin Thicke, Lady Gaga, and so many others idolize it to a point that extremely provocative dancing moves (twerking, grinding) are now being used in middle and high school dances, homecomings, and proms.

    I have always hated sex growing up and still hate it now. But I am human and I succumb to the human urges every now and then, which is something I just can't stand. I wish I could be asexual and just not think about it at all. But I do, and so it is a constant battle with the one thing I hate the most: sex.

    What is your opinion? Do you agree or disagree that society is obsessed with sex and is saturated by it?

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    Its true what they say sex sells. But i don't think about it 26 and i have still yet to have sex but i really want to do it with some one i care about some one i feel true love for so i don't mind waiting.
    I even have a hang up about Masturbation tho i do it time to time it still feels awkward when i finish up. I guess it was from when my mum walk't in on me playing with my self when i was 12 years old and gave me a right good telling off.
    One thing i hate and that is to days kids clothes especially young girls clothes pimping the kids of to day that makes me really upset i just can't believe it has become acceptable for girls as young as 8 to wear hot pants and mini skirts that to me is just unreal. May be i sound like a old fart but i think its true

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    I would say society is. But I'm not too interested in sex with people, so I've ignored it all my life.
    The world isn't a Utopian heavenly place, its a savage place so that means basically there is not much to life for some people except eating and sex.
    Back in older times, sex was more private thing, these days with tv, internet, radio etc its become more public.
    I do notice more sexual comments and things from younger kids, like 8-12 sometimes, I mean I still wet the bed and played with legos when I was 12 lol I certainly didn't know what sex was untill I was probably 16/17.
    I can't say what effect this has on children, but Other than that, I don't see a huge problem with sex becoming a bigger thing than it was in previous centuries.

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    A lot of this kind of puritan attitude is what makes people obsess about sex in the first place. It's forbidden. Don't think about sex! Don't think about sex, for the love of all that's good in the world, you can't think about sex right now! What are you thinking about right now? Don't think about ocean waves. There is that all better?

    American society doesn't have lax rules regarding sex at all. One nipple comes into sight for a second on national TV and it's the end of the world! Breastfeeding in public causes major fits because breasts are so sexualized in a society where we make them so forbidden and shameful and dirty. All this shame is what makes sex so major in everyone's eyes. People are ashamed of themselves, they're ashamed to masturbate, they're ashamed to have sexual thoughts at all, and it's no good for anyone.

    Women are most ashamed of all. Yeah, Miley Cyrus gyrated to some song on TV. Everyone gave her hell for it. No one batted an eye about the man who wrote and sung a song about sex right behind her. What about him? Why isn't he ashamed? Oh, because he's a man and we have incredible double standards for everything? Yeah, that's it. How could I forget? Women are sluts and men are studs. That's the way it works. It's okay for him to do whatever the fuck he wants, but God forbid a woman shows her sexuality. God fucking forbid.

    In other repressive cultures (ones like the Middle East are far more repressive than America for example), it's the same thing. The sight of a woman's ankle would cause immense sexual urges in a man from a society where they were covered all the time. Make something forbidden, like the bare naked ankle, and that's what people focus on. Confuse kids about sex, don't talk about it, make it seem dangerous, and don't teach them anything about it - if you want more teen pregnancies and the spread of STDs. Shame children for masturbating if you want them to touch each other instead. Tell kids never to have sex until they're married if you want them to think sex is the most awesome thing in the universe that they can no longer wait to try. Tell people that sex is wrong and dirty and shameful if you want them to be self-loathing.

    It's a natural part of humanity. People shouldn't feel bad about it. Your body wants it, your genes want to spread, your brain is primed to want to have sex and you're rewarded for these activities with physical pleasure and awesome doses of dopamine and oxytocin. I am sad that you wish you were asexual because that's the level of shame you were taught to have. You hate a part of yourself because of it. Society is obsessed with sex. In the opposite way than you think. America is ridiculously repressed and immature about sexuality. Right now America seems to me to be at the level of middle schoolers covering their mouths and giggling at the word penis. That's not the most open-minded or mature view to have regarding possibly the most fundamental element of biology - reproducing - spreading genetics - continuing life.

    If sex wasn't so controversial, that stuff on MTV wouldn't happen. It wouldn't draw crowds and public opinions and tabloid headings and debates. The reason that happens is because America is so outrageously puritan and repressed. In a less repressed society, it would have been viewed with eye-rolls. What Miley Cyris did would have been the equivalent of a comedian getting on stage and reading knock-knock jokes from a book. Really? Okay, that's a bit silly and immature. Whatever. Maybe he'll grow up one day.

    Maybe America will grow up one day. For you, though, I hope you don't seriously hate yourself for being a human being. That's so sad. Sex is sex. It's not a big deal. It's not disgusting. It just is. You're okay. You're alive and you're a human.
    Last edited by Frogsy; 16-Oct-2013 at 20:28. Reason: typos

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    I agree with frogsy completely. Its mostly an American standard. In Europe sex is not such a taboo. Violence is. In Europe you can Brest feed and you have looser tv standards. But they restrict the crap out of violent movies and some games. American sexiual standards are thankfully slowly slipping and people with kinks and fetishes are fitting in better but we have a long way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogsy View Post
    Sex is sex. It's not a big deal.
    It's a pretty big deal to the OP's friend who had two kids before finishing high school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astra View Post
    It's a pretty big deal to the OP's friend who had two kids before finishing high school.
    I personally feel that if it wasn't treated as so taboo in our society there would be better sex education and availability of birth control. I think that if sex was treated differently, stuff like teen pregnancies would be less common. When I was in sex-ed, we learned all about freaking ... fallopian tubes. And nothing about stuff that mattered. I didn't understand how stuff worked at all. In Catholic school, we were not taught about birth control or safe sex in any way, shape, or form. We were told to be abstinent. In Catholic high school, there were several girls who ended up getting pregnant. In a very, very small school, I might add. The repression of sex led to things like that. Making it so taboo and not talking frankly about it leads to confusion in teenagers, and they make terrible choices because they lack proper information. They learn about random urban legends in the locker room and they don't learn real stuff from teachers or other adults.

    One guy I dated told me he was sterile because he drank a lot of Mountain Dew. And I believed him. I didn't know any better. All I knew about were zygotes and the vas deferens and not one thing about shit that matters, because our society is so repressed about sex they won't even talk about it to teenagers who probably ought to hear the truth. In public high school, one day a teacher put a condom on a banana. That was it. 80 days of fallopian tubes, one day of something that could have helped. If sex wasn't seen as the devil, maybe teachers could actually talk about it without the school board or parents riding them for being realistic. And maybe girls wouldn't end up pregnant so much because of sexual experiments gone all wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogsy View Post
    In Catholic high school, there were several girls who ended up getting pregnant. In a very, very small school, I might add. The repression of sex led to things like that.
    I find that very... counterintuitive. Back In the bad old days when the U.S. was really conservative about sex, the teen pregnancy rate was a lot lower. So was the illegitimacy rate: it was ~4% in the 1950s; now it's over 40%.

    If sexual repression leads to teen pregnancies, then Saudi Arabia should be the bastard children capital of the world, but it isn't. They may be obsessed with bare ankles, but they don't have many unwed teen mothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astra View Post
    I find that very... counterintuitive. Back In the bad old days when the U.S. was really conservative about sex, the teen pregnancy rate was a lot lower. So was the illegitimacy rate: it was ~4% in the 1950s; now it's over 40%.

    If sexual repression leads to teen pregnancies, then Saudi Arabia should be the bastard children capital of the world, but it isn't. They may be obsessed with bare ankles, but they don't have many unwed teen mothers.
    When stuff is so scandalous, people keep it behind closed doors. Teen pregnancies in the 50's were things that could ruin reputations and lives forever. Those women either married the father very quickly, had a dangerous illegal abortion, were put in special homes for unwed mothers or convents, or at the very least not noted as a statistic because they were so well hidden. I wouldn't trust statistics about stuff that people had a very high motivation to keep absolutely silent about.

    The lack of knowledge about birth control and contraceptives, and poorly using contraceptives, and/or not getting contraceptives because they are unavailable or embarrassing for the teenager to buy is one of the biggest causes of (unintended) teen pregnancy. I don't know if there is any better evidence that there is indeed a correlation? Teenage pregnancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Having knowledge and access to contraceptives can help teenagers make better choices. Feeling less ashamed / being less shamed / about their sexuality can help teens actually buy the condoms or ask for birth control pills. To me that's really intuitive.

    Also, I'm not sure if it matters, but maybe that data is wrong? This academic paper says teen pregnancy rates have been on a decline, and are currently very low compared to the 1950's. But I haven't studied this exact topic before in detail so you'd have to give me some time to review things. Where did you get your data from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogsy View Post
    I personally feel that if it wasn't treated as so taboo in our society there would be better sex education and availability of birth control.
    birth control is available to everybody at no cost: abstinence.

    another point on which i'd like to disagree with you is the context of the normality/naturalness of sex: while sex is natural, we don't live naturally. we live in artificial units and environments and that requires artificial rules to curb natural tendancies which may be harmful to the way of life.
    in the context of the way we live, sex is actually un-natural; certainly, in a natural context, the vast majority of people would not be able to have sex.

    and although we've managed to exclude ourselves from most natural controls, we are still subject to inherent limitations of population sustainability and, everything needing it's natural balance, it's best to remember that too many is as bad as too few.

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