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Thread: Why don't more FtM's like messing?

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    I'll try not to go-off on tangents with graphic detail, but after 10 months on this site, I'm still wondering why there is no one like myself (female-born, male-identified) to second my belief that 1.) there's nothing more "fun" in the way of arousal than messing oneself, and 2.) it is a hyper-masculine behavior for being as unladylike as possible? It feels naughty for that very reason, like I'm "crossing a forbidden line" or "eating the forbidden fruit" or something, so I'm not sure why there aren't more self-defined FtM transgenders like me who see diapers as nothing more than a means of doing a BM, having put it on solely for that purpose and with the intention of removing it almost immediately afterward, with no eye witnesses around?

    It's like, there are only a few FtM users here, including FAAB genderqueers (which is what I might actually be, since I would never get phalloplasty and just don't like the word Lesbian), and among them, most are the type who "don't care for messing." I've also found it nearly impossible to find such pictures of FtM's on other sites, so much so that it is a lot easier to find diaper shots of "feminine" women, and certainly of MtF trans people, than of people like me. I mean, isn't there anyone who feels as strongly about that concept as I do?

    It's like, I feel such a huge sense of empowerment from doing such a "masculine" bodily function in such a disgusting way that words cannot even begin to describe how "excited" I can become from doing so! But since urine is as boring as water and no one doubts (or pretends to doubt) that women pee, I feel more arousal from pooping in the toilet than from peeing in a diaper (which I've only ever done while in the process of messing). See, a diaper, in and of itself, does nothing more for me than wearing a maxi pad. But messing, being the "big taboo" that it is, gets me excited the moment I think about it or just reminisce about a past incident, which is why I don't even feel the need to do it more than a couple times per year, if at all.

    Why, then, are there no others like me who share in such beliefs? I see FtM's allover the internet, more than willing to show the world their chest surgery results on YouTube, what Testosterone has done to their privates on Xtube, and their shockingly-realistic STP devices (which I've never tried in my life). But never do you find self-messing content posted by such people, and when I search for it, I get results that have nothing to do with feces (i.e. the s-word is more commonly used as just another "meaningless" curse word).

    You would think that with their increased libido would come an increased likelihood to do such things, since I shudder to think of how often I might starting wanting to mess if I got on T, yet that urge doesn't seem to be happening for them? Why not? Don't they know that, in my opinion, they can have all the muscles and facial hair in the world, but if they say, "Eeeew, noooo!" to, "Have you ever sharted/pooped in your pants within the past few years?" they're no "manlier" than an image-conscious girl in high school? What's with this unrealistic, squeaky-clean, Ken doll/Rico Suave image they have of "maleness" and "masculinity?"

    Am I the only one who realizes that being "masculine" begins with 1.) not caring what others think of your looks/hygiene, and 2.) loving even the most disgusting things about yourself so much that you can accept any other flaws with no problem? It is girls who are conditioned from an early age to be ashamed of every fart, burp, and imperfection about their bodies, so why can't we, as FtM's, be the ones to break that chain of self-hatred to the point where messing and living through it would not only be possible, but pleasurable?
    Last edited by RobiBoi7; 27-Sep-2013 at 14:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobiBoi7 View Post
    I feel such a huge sense of empowerment from doing such a "masculine" bodily function
    I can tell you now that pooping yourself is not inherently masculine or feminine. Its common for either sex to view it with embarrassment, pity, disgust, revulsion and very little understanding why someone would do it though choice. If you get pleasure from it then its no skin off my nose but I object to the idea that its a 'masculine' thing to do.



    Quote Originally Posted by RobiBoi7 View Post
    Am I the only one who realizes that being "masculine" begins with 1.) not caring what others think of your looks/hygiene, and 2.) loving even the most disgusting things about yourself so much that you can accept any other flaws with no problem?
    I'm a man and I can honestly say that there is very little truth in the above quote.

    1. Men do care what others think of their looks/hygiene.
    2. Men can find things just as disgusting and can be just as self critical about their flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strontium View Post
    I can tell you now that pooping yourself is not inherently masculine or feminine. Its common for either sex to view it with embarrassment, pity, disgust, revulsion and very little understanding why someone would do it though choice. If you get pleasure from it then its no skin off my nose but I object to the idea that its a 'masculine' thing to do.



    I'm a man and I can honestly say that there is very little truth in the above quote.

    1. Men do care what others think of their looks/hygiene.
    2. Men can find things just as disgusting and can be just as self critical about their flaws.
    Thanks for replying! I got the idea that pooping is "manly" because women are conditioned not to ever appear human, so any bodily function, but especially something as grotesque as pooping, flies in the face of the "mannequin" image. As a result, I get pleasure from the irony of being fully capable of having a baby (which I haven't nor would I ever) while also fully-human, and maybe even somewhat "animal," by textbook definition. And there's nothing like irony to create that kind of pleasure!

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    You definitely have some skewed views on masculinity. As mentioned it's not really masculine or feminine to shit yourself. As a male the last time I accidentally shit myself was at 13 or 14 and that was pretty embarrassing. I shit in my diapers pretty rarely and I can't say I relish the feeling really. If you asked most dudes if they had sharted/shit themselves recently you'd probably get an ewww no from the vast majority, so I don't see why it would be different for FtMs. There's a difference between being a man and having a fetish for shitting yourself. Most men, even a majority of ab/dls, don't find that appealing really. A fart is leagues away from shitting. Shaming each other over a disgusting fart is pretty typical behavior among young boys, as well as feeling ashamed over bodily imperfections. Since you were raised a girl you have obviously made some assumptions about the male experience which are a tad stereotypical and kind of discount intellect and maturity as part of masculinity. Plenty of men feel shame and aren't acting like stereotypes from tv commercials burping and farting with abandon.

    The reason you can't find any porn of this is because you're a minority (FtM) in a minority (AB/DL) in a minority (AB/DLs who mess).

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    RobiBoi,

    I as well would have to question your take on what is masculine / feminine.

    Also that women are "conditioned to not EVER appear HUMAN" is simply not true...
    I am living with my girlfriend, I've got a sister and I've got a good number of female friends (NOT in the GF sense - for that, there's only one)... and honestly, they're are all as human as it gets.
    Yes, they can fart, do dirty jokes, ride cars... one of my best (female) friends works often together with on mechanical projects and she's a mechanical engineer... and no she ain't "masculine" or a dike or anything like it... she's quite "feminine".
    And trust me ... ALL HUMANOIDS poop.... unfortunately.
    Personally - not even messing - but pooping in general (and I'm a man) I do happen to find it ENTIRELY GROSS and something I would get rid of if it would be anyhow really possible.
    I hate the smell, I hate the pressure in my lower intestine... Well and I am BIG on CLEANLINESS... some would say I'm a bit of a neat freak or at least a very neat monster (dexter reference).

    Honestly... I never understood and never will understand why anyone could even remotely ENJOY messing.


    and I can't even begin to say how weird/wrong this is in regard to most men I know:


    Quote Originally Posted by RobiBoi
    Am I the only one who realizes that being "masculine" begins with 1.) not caring what others think of your looks/hygiene, and 2.) loving even the most disgusting things about yourself so much that you can accept any other flaws with no problem? It is girls who are conditioned from an early age to be ashamed of every fart, burp, and imperfection about their bodies, so why can't we, as FtM's, be the ones to break that chain of self-hatred to the point where messing and living through it would not only be possible, but pleasurable?
    1) Not caring about looks is one thing... (but still... yikes - slouches with greasy hair and bad body odor in track suits... yikes).... BUT HYGIENE?? jesus f. c.... Really? it's "manly" to be stinky, full of sh... dirty, in unwashed clothes, etc.?? What exactly is MANLY about this self-loathing, no-self-respect behavior? Honestly, there0s nothing "MANLY" about that at any rate.
    2) LOVING the most disgusting things about yourself, accepting flaws without problem? Manly? no certainly not... Stupid? maybe, quite certainly yes.
    I fart and burp like most every humanoid out there as well, but honestly I find it not entirely appealing to fart/burp/etc out in public... actually I consider it mildly offensive.

    trust me, my testosterone levels are rather healthy... so is my sex drive, kink desires, etc...
    And I LIKE myself... but because I like myself, I also TAKE VERY good care of myself. my body's in a rather atheltic good shape, I work out, watch my diet, live a rather healthy life.
    I shower at least once a day (due to my IC usually twice)... I keep myself clean... my clothes are clean, etc.. and I like to respect etiquette when I'm out and about at a restaurant, etc.
    I can be just as polite as I can break some assholes bones if I am left with no viable other option.
    My line of work includes lots of mechanics an machinery, I ride motorcycles and love sports cars... I do martial arts, weights etc... I occasionally go out and drink with my buddies....
    All in all, in many respects I'm your cliche male dude... but just without the stupid disrespect for personal hygiene and some etiquette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abdlwpg View Post
    You definitely have some skewed views on masculinity.
    Actually, since I never had any brothers, or even friends that were male, let alone boyfriends, I base my ideas on my dad, my cousins/uncles, and the guys I've casually known from places like our old Baptist church I've been missing so much now that we've moved. It's very difficult to find a guy in Texas or Louisiana, the only 2 states I've ever experienced, having never left the Central time zone of the US, who doesn't drive a truck and have little/no caring about his looks past age 25. As a result, this is the type of person I would do everything in my power to become were I able to get on T or have surgeries, which is part of why I'm not leaving Mom or trying harder to get those things.

    I feel a lot more freedom to violate gender expectations as a "female," because while any logical person would understand why we would prefer to be the opposite sex, even I struggle with anger and confusion over the very idea of there being males who want to be feminine in any way, shape, or form! I mean, I like being clean, which is why I took a really good shower today after cutting the grass and would never go to bed without one! But what's most imperative to masculinity is not so much being dirty at any given moment, since everyone ideally starts the day clean with clean clothes, but not being afraid to get that way! See, girls and women tend to fear anything that will ruin their image, and since being dirty does just that, they gradually shy away from sports and physical activities as they get older. So on the rare occasion that I mess myself, I am facing this very fear, although no one in my life knows about this fetish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobiBoi7 View Post
    See, girls and women tend to fear anything that will ruin their image, and since being dirty does just that, they gradually shy away from sports and physical activities as they get older.
    Where do you come up with that generalized, oversimplified and simply untrue stuff?
    I don't know - but around me, there are just as many women who have no problem getting "dirty" if they have to as there are man avoiding changing the chain on their bicycle for fear of getting a stain on their hands.
    Gradually shy away from sports & physical activity? you should see my mom... over sixty and still often enough going up mountains, riding the bike and doing what she can (mininal work out etc...).
    I know a lot of women who live basically for sports...

    robiboi, I really advice you to step away from those stereotypical non-sense claims... they're simply not working out in real life and they don't empower you to be "you" in anyway.

    You - you should be YOURSELF... whatever that is... you don't need to become the stereotypical male you describe - and trust me being a dirty slob has nothing to do with the amount of testosterone you have.
    You can have more testosterone than rocky balboa and two stallions and it still wouldn't define how you dress, how you take care of yourself, what you like and dislike, if you're sporty or a slouch...

    By the end of the day, you need to find out "who you are", figure out if you are happy the way you are, and if not change what you can....
    But sterotypes don't help and no one is forcing anyone to behave like one.

    Just because you seem to be surrounded by middle aged guys who's level of self respect is lower than that of a public toilet seat and who have decided that it's "ok" to degenerate past any reason of well being doesn't make it what anyone has to become.
    I'm not a big fan of the "effaminate" man... not at all... somewhere there's a limit to everything. But honestly, a dirty, sweaty, unclean unwashed etc. man that has a body posture that would maybe only put a worn out, broken forty year old leather seat at a pub to shame - well it's not even worth calling that a "man"... the lack of self respect is actually appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobiBoi7 View Post
    Actually, since I never had any brothers, or even friends that were male, let alone boyfriends, I base my ideas on my dad, my cousins/uncles, and the guys I've casually known from places like our old Baptist church I've been missing so much now that we've moved. It's very difficult to find a guy in Texas or Louisiana, the only 2 states I've ever experienced, having never left the Central time zone of the US, who doesn't drive a truck and have little/no caring about his looks past age 25. As a result, this is the type of person I would do everything in my power to become were I able to get on T or have surgeries, which is part of why I'm not leaving Mom or trying harder to get those things.

    I feel a lot more freedom to violate gender expectations as a "female," because while any logical person would understand why we would prefer to be the opposite sex, even I struggle with anger and confusion over the very idea of there being males who want to be feminine in any way, shape, or form! I mean, I like being clean, which is why I took a really good shower today after cutting the grass and would never go to bed without one! But what's most imperative to masculinity is not so much being dirty at any given moment, since everyone ideally starts the day clean with clean clothes, but not being afraid to get that way! See, girls and women tend to fear anything that will ruin their image, and since being dirty does just that, they gradually shy away from sports and physical activities as they get older. So on the rare occasion that I mess myself, I am facing this very fear, although no one in my life knows about this fetish!
    Maybe the American South is different, but most places not every man is a slob. Kinda sounds like every man you knew was a combination of depressed/not having to try to hard because everyone else is a slob. Also kinda seems like the only man you were kinda close was your father. Most fathers aren't going to be telling their children about their insecurities, but that doesn't mean they don't have them. You can't read men's thoughts. In most places men have a shred of self-respect as EPO1 mentioned.

    Anyways my main point still stands that even if these guys don't care about their appearance or getting dirty, they probably would care a lot if they shit themselves like a baby. There's a big difference between shit and dirt/grease/dust/whatever. Humans have a biological imperative to get away from their excrement since it can make us ill, which is probably why it smells bad. Few men are just gonna shrug off shitting their pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abdlwpg View Post
    Anyways my main point still stands that even if these guys don't care about their appearance or getting dirty, they probably would care a lot if they shit themselves like a baby. There's a big difference between shit and dirt/grease/dust/whatever. Humans have a biological imperative to get away from their excrement since it can make us ill, which is probably why it smells bad. Few men are just gonna shrug off shitting their pants.
    And like I said, I would never do that in public, or even around other people, either. But what I mean is, most guys would admit to having pooped themselves in their adult lives, whereas most women, particularly younger ones and teen girls, all want you to think they were that rare 1-year-old who was completely potty-trained. See, I used to be like that in my teens, thinking my life "wouldn't go in" if I crapped my pants in private, let alone in front of someone. In fact, I probably missed more days of school for diarrhea than for the common cold, thinking I had enough going against me (i.e. being obviously butch, not having friends, not being involved with sports, not wearing the clothes that were "in style," etc.) that if I messed myself, I'd have to commit suicide.

    But then after a few naughty Google searches at age 18, generating results from such old, outdated sites as toiletstool, I began to associate pants messing, or at least a willingness to admit to doing it as an adult, with males who had to have a lot of courage (AKA "ba11s") to share such stories! See, I still had a touch of bisexuality in me at the time, so I imagined these posters to be muscular, chiseled-faced, deep-voiced "hunks," as Mom would call such men, who had to have had a lot of other things to be proud of if they were secure enough to admit to having messed themselves so recently.

    I then sensationalized it so much that, by age 19, I just couldn't resist the urge to see what would happen (like, would my "weak" female body just faint from the shock of it?) if I messed my panties when my family was away, then cleaned-up the evidence, and you know what? I may have been sore the rest of the day, since it's hard enough to clean myself when I go in the toilet, but I lived through it! And over the years, I realized, as I did it more and more, that what turned me on was the irony of such a gross thing coming from a female capable of having a child. And by now, I'm entirely Lesbian because I no longer feel that any attraction to any male, especially one cleaner and thus more "boring" than myself, could happen.

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    There's so much about this thread that I want to yell about but I'll just say this

    Poop in a toilet

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