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Thread: American Consumerism during the Holidays

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    So I was not sure what to title this thread at first or if it should be in this section or off topic. I decided to put it here because of the argumentative nature.

    I just saw a news ad about some store (or restaurant) talking about being open on Christmas. Now I think this is ridiculous along with shopping on Christmas eve and thanksgiving morning and thanksgiving night.

    I am getting tired of extending store hours because people are forgetful/lazy and do stuff at the last minute. Why do people buy uncooked turkeys on the morning of thanksgiving? Or go Christmas shopping thanksgiving night? Does anyone think of the strain this puts on the workers? They have a right to be with their families too. (I wish those wal-mart protesting strike was more successful then what it was to send a message.)

    I feel there is no reason to start super sales on thanksgiving night, then I hear this ad about something being open on Christmas day...

    First I think everyone can play a part by refusing to shop on these days so the companies see it would be unprofitable to be open at such times. You do not even need to write petitions or organize protesting, JUST DON'T SHOP on those days =/

    Early Friday for black Friday is fine.. 5 or 6 am maybe... not all this 2 am 1 am nonsense.

    Links to help people from other parts of the world to understand:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_F...%28shopping%29 (Black Friday info)


    In recent years, retailers have been trending towards opening on Black Thursday, occurring Thanksgiving evening. In 2011, Walmart began its holiday sale at 10 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day for the first time. In 2012, Walmart began its Black Friday sales at 8 p.m. the day before on Thanksgiving; stores that are normally open 24 hours a day on a regular basis started their sales at this time, while stores that do not have round-the-clock shopping hours opened at 8 p.m. Competitors Sears and Kmart will also be opening at 8 p.m. on Thursday night, while Target and Toys "R" Us will be opening at 9 p.m. Other retailers, such as Lord & Taylor are also opening on Thanksgiving for the first time.[41][42]

    A number of media sources began referring to this instead by the name Gray Thursday
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksg...ited_States%29 (Thanksgiving)

    In America it is common to have stores open 24/7, the only time they are not is thanksgiving day for some hours during the day and the whole day of Christmas. This thread was made from an Ad saying there was gonna be something opened on Christmas.
    Last edited by CutePrincess; 21-Dec-2012 at 18:13. Reason: Updated title for clarity

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    Quote Originally Posted by CutePrincess View Post
    I am getting tired of extending store hours because people are forgetful/lazy and do stuff at the last minute. Why do people buy uncooked turkeys on the morning of thanksgiving? Or go Christmas shopping thanksgiving night? Does anyone think of the strain this puts on the workers? They have a right to be with their families too. (I wish those wal-mart protesting strike was more successful then what it was to send a message.)

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    I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand 24/7 opening (actually more like 24/5 20/1 6/1 opening) is handy if like me you keep very irregular hours and have a graving for a particular food stuff at 2 am, and it keeps extra workers in jobs that wouldn't exist otherwise... on the other hand the late night openings, Sunday and holiday trading does put pressure on people's home lives. I wouldn't want to go back to pre-90s trading hours, but bank/public holidays should be given a bit more respect. I have a friend who works in a casino, which is open every day of the year except Christmas Day itself... you don't have to be a Sabbatarian to feel that's wrong.

    Thinking Allowed did an item on Sunday trading / working and "The Weekend" BBC Radio 4 - Thinking Allowed, Decline of the weekend; British riots of 2011

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    I'm not 100% certain on this, but I would assume that the individuals shopping on Thanksgiving night might have had that day off, and not get many other days off, so they have a limited time to shop before Christmas? I do agree that the times that stores are open on Black Friday are pretty early, but perhaps as MsClaraRiddle said, it does offer jobs and hours to people who might not otherwise have them. Some people work extra hours on the holidays to help pay for Christmas gifts.

    However, having worked retail in the past, I most definitely understand your frustrations.

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    I posted this because lately, I think this was happening over last 10 years? or so where stores where pushing opening earlier and earlier on Black Friday. I think it was said this was the first year stores actually opened on thanksgiving night apposed to 12am 1, am and so on.

    Then the breaking point of making me say something about it was hearing something open on Christmas. I was not even talking about 24/7 stores or open on common Sundays but stores that keep pushing being opened around the holidays so much they are now opening on the holiday days themselves even on Christmas.

    Or people buying thanksgiving things ON thanksgiving morning even turkeys then go out Thanksgiving NIGHT for Christmas shopping =/

    Shopping on Christmas eve is another thing that bugs me. Some people celebrate it on Christmas eve for beach of family members then day for a different set ( I did this a lot when I was little) When I got older I was kinda forced to only see my Mom's side.

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    i'm in a sort of 'it depends' mood about this.
    i've always worked shifts and down here at the bottom of society, you only get the minimum number of days off, so there are times when the Xmas holidays can be a hassle, for trying to get everything fitted in between work and normal activities.

    on the other hand, the [annoyingly boring] days when all shops shut over xmas, not to mention their closing at 16:30 on normal days and never opening on Sundays, did bring a sense of closeness and togetherness (since people couldn't go off and do their own thing), a bit like when it snows heavily and everything stops.

    the 'problems' with shops not being open only stems from xmas having become more exploited for commercial reasons and people becoming more gluttonous and used to 24/7 shopping.
    no greed, no need.

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    So help me, when I first saw the subject line I thought it said Circumcision during the Holidays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willnotwill View Post
    So help me, when I first saw the subject line I thought it said Circumcision during the Holidays.
    well, there has to be a cut-off point

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    I know what you mean... I always avoid phoning call centres out of hours if I can. I don't think there's any need to employ someone to be on call at 3am to discuss my opinions on the latest ready-meal. Quality of life is important and I imagine most people would prefer to work during the day, spend time with their friends/family in the evening and sleep at night...

    I make some exceptions for "vital" services... If my broadband went down, I'd want to get that fixed ASAP. And (although I don't drive) 24-hour petrol stations are a good idea.

    But given that most of the people employed in providing out of hours support/shops aren't going to be highly paid, I'd feel pretty guilty about expecting them to be on-hand in "unsocial hours" for something that can wait.

    It's not going to happen, but if everyone stopped phoning call centres and shopping in the middle of the night it would reduce the demand and fewer people would "have" to work a night shift...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ade View Post
    i'm in a sort of 'it depends' mood about this.
    i've always worked shifts and down here at the bottom of society, you only get the minimum number of days off, so there are times when the Xmas holidays can be a hassle, for trying to get everything fitted in between work and normal activities.

    on the other hand, the [annoyingly boring] days when all shops shut over xmas, not to mention their closing at 16:30 on normal days and never opening on Sundays, did bring a sense of closeness and togetherness (since people couldn't go off and do their own thing), a bit like when it snows heavily and everything stops.

    the 'problems' with shops not being open only stems from xmas having become more exploited for commercial reasons and people becoming more gluttonous and used to 24/7 shopping.
    no greed, no need.
    I think people are misunderstanding what i mean T^T. I am not talking about common hours or Sundays (Here you can find 24/7 open stores easily expect for day and evening for Thanksgiving (Some stores are open early and late thanksgiving day) and being off Christmas day. MOST stores that I know of close early on Christmas eve but I seen a few that stay open late that day as well.

    I am talking about store hours on the holiday DAYS themselves. People buying turkeys thanksgiving morning, buying gifts late Christmas eve, and buying late Thanksgiving day for "Black Friday"

    I am pretty sure this has only been a problem for the last 10 years or so. I do not remember stores being open late thanksgiving day 10 years ago. Mostly they opened up around 5/6 am for black Friday. Even back then "Black Friday was not even the busiest shopping day of the year, it was like 5th or something. But then stores started these ridiculous sales and started to open earlier and earlier and this year even opened late Thanksgiving day.

    Maybe this is an American Consumerism problem? is it like this anywhere else part of the world for any store? We do have stores here that is 24/7, 364 days of the year, only off Christmas.

    Anyways I made this thread because of an Ad on T.V. saying there is gonna be a store or restaurant (Did not hear what it was) that is going to be open on Christmas day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willnotwill View Post
    So help me, when I first saw the subject line I thought it said Circumcision during the Holidays.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumerism
    Hope that helps


    Consumerism is a social and economic order that encourages the purchase of goods and services in ever-greater amounts.
    Last edited by CutePrincess; 21-Dec-2012 at 17:56.

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    I don't know if its a problem or not. I don't participate, so I'm not contributing in any way, and it doesn't hurt me in any way I can think of. Yeah, I think the concept is bizarre and reflects poorly on our collective values, but hey, its a free country (more or less.....)

    There are some positives:

    It probably prevents some violence at family gatherings by breaking them up early.

    More employees are needed to man the ramparts, so that's a good thing, despite the odd hours. Management wouldn't do that unless it they were pretty sure money would be made out of the deal.

    All those crazies are frantically driving around while I'm safe at home, so I can safely go shopping the next morning in relatively lighter traffic.

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