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    Default HEEEEEEEEY KIDS!, ...It's time for the ...*drum roll!!!*

    REALITY CHECK SHOW!!!

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

    With your special guest, Statik!

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

    *crickets chirp*

    CLAP DAMMIT! ;/

    You guys are funny, I just thought you should know that. What's this all about exactly? Well I thought I do a personal weigh in on the whole "ADISC isn't the same anymore" that I'm seeing a lot of lately. It's up to you though, you can either read this oooooooor you can have your templates of topics we usually get because I'll be damned if I don't wear the thickest diaper or most crinkliest or tell every living soul my personal secret. I just couldn't go on another day! *pantspantspants!* Breathe Statik, breathe.

    I'll level with you. There have been many times where I've wanted to leave this place because I get tired of reading the same crap over and over. I refuse to be a copy machine and give people generic advice. I've always been a person of higher standards and it shows in just about everything I do. Come over sometime, it will take you less than a afternoon of hanging out with me to see what I'm referring to. One example, my den is spotless, considering I'm a furry that makes it even more impressive. Trust me I've been to many furry households and their a living nightmare. Everything I do feels like a test to myself as much as I wish I had the choice to not make it so but this is who I am and I've grown to accept that. What choice do I have, right? It's the same principles of the being into diapers or accepting the fact I'm not straight.

    Even when I find myself stuck in the middle of brainstorming a topic that I've worked on weeks that I feel would be a good one to contribute to this community I find myself left with regrets. The whole ratio of "views/comments" is OFTEN in favor of views. I try not to take it too personal and be happy with the fact at least someone took the time to give me their time. And I'm okay with that. It sure as hell beats flamers and trolls like so many other forums are infested with.

    Look around you and look back at this very screen in front of you. Where do you feel more comfortable or confident in who you are? You can't exactly go to work/school and be like "So hey guys, how about them LUVS blowout commercials? Yeah man, I'm gonna pick me up a pack of them!"

    ADISC offers us a outlet, what you choose to do with it is entirely up to you. Even with the flaws of this place and yes let's face it, every place has room for flaws. If it didn't you wouldn't have Moo asking you for suggestions. He's aware of it, I'm aware of it. Despite all that though it's just nice to have somewhere we can freaking go.

    Sure this place has characters but what place doesn't? Hell when I go out for sushi, my plate is full of kinds of characters and that only adds to the experience. Though I swear my food talks to me sometime, something about finding Nemo. He was delicious. *burps* Would you go to a sushi bar though and order all California rolls for your entire meal? NO! (...well at least I hope not)

    Since I'm treading on the grounds on yet another long post like I'm known for I will try to keep this short so I can keep your interest. That being said. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Don't make me get Willem Dafoe up in here to bust out some symbology on this very topic. The ssss-himbolism. I'll do it!

    As always, thanks for your time.

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    Perfect post. Long enough to cover subject, short enough to keep it interesting. Like womens' skirts.

    Anywhow, I know what you mean. I don't really log in anymore just to look through the topics, but more to keep up with a few contacts and some peeps I meet here and there. But hey, lots of things could be solved here if people knew how to do one thing...

    Googling.

    But then again, the majority are teenagers belonging into a generation I like to call "Generation Fail". Not many of them have perfect logic that makes sense. Same goes for the older generations, but still. At least we don't have ALLCAPSGUY.

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    It's true there are a lot of threads on ADISC that are the same old topics come around again, but it's very often asked by new, young members who are thinking about issues for the first time. Is it fair to look down on them for wanting to have discussions most of us had when we were young and naive? Personally, unless I can think of something good to say based on hovering my mouse over the thread title to get the preview box, I tend to leave them alone.

    ABDL is something you are, and if you're lucky something you do. It doesn't require a whole lot of discussion. This is why I tend to do most of my posting on non-ABDL threads.

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    In the years I've been on this site I've seen a large exchange of members, and for that reason more than any other, we see the site change. When I first came on, the site was a lot smaller and we seemed to know everyone. The topics were lively and often stimulating, with some very intellectually challenging members constantly contributing. Reflecting what you have said, statik, many have left, probably for different reasons, but I'm guessing they became bored with the repetition. It's understandable. I stay and contribute because ADISC is a second family for me, and I feel like I'm a part of this membership. I, to a significant degree, need the support I get from the membership, even when it's nothing more than their acceptance and friendship.

    Are there more, "what kind of diaper should I buy" posts? Yes, I suppose, but there are the stimulating posts as well. The topics repeat because the membership changes, new members coming on board and older members losing interest and leaving. It's the nature of blog sites. For me, ADISC is part of my emotional anchor, and sometimes, one of our forgotten members comes back on, and it's like a family reunion. Way cool!

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    You know your right and we deal with the threads that we're given.

    I've been trying to and hopefully been getting better at doing a standard meet and greet whether a troll or a TB/DL/AB/BF/other I try and say hello and get those in the welcome and intros forum to invest themselves a little because if their invested then they take part in a more meaningful way.

    There is a place for the generic advice and usually newbies stumble on that place thinking it's the home button a few times in the first week it's called articles, but as yet no one has made a post or blog worthy and well rounded enough to become the "So you want to try out Diapers for the first time" article and even if someone did how fast would it be out of date things are constantly changing as we know from the are plastic backed disposables doomed thread. If someone can write that post or blog I'll nominate it for article status.

    Then again if it became an article the forum might slowly churn itself into a stand still; think about it we all made one of the repeating threads long in our distant passed, it has sort of become a rite of passage to become a member as has taking your time to get involved with a few of those posts and give your thoughts and feelings on going for the first time to the store or going on-line and picking out a diaper by pot luck. If new members stop having east ice breaker blunders to meet the regulars then they'll never learn to speak up to the experienced members, those posts show the newbies that their contributions are not ignored even by the most experienced members, and lets them feel at home because the experienced members don't cast them off into the deep end and shout why didn't you look up posts and threads on that topic before asking, pretty soon they learn those posts exist and knowing that they weren't sent marauding old threads re-enforces the bonding of the newbie into ADISC.

    There are the occasional genuinely interesting threads, some tick over and new users add to them when they join and old users keep up with them and weigh in their thoughts occasionally but the opportunities for those sorts of threads pass by us far too often. One reply isn't enough to get those threads started while some of the potential threads people just read post one, scan the first page of responses, jump to last page, scan again and if the two ends are very much the same give their feelings on the matter in the uniform manner before walking away; no one ever tries to turn the threads from a poll with wordy answers into something more. I'd say the classic one for this is the 'What is your baby age?' thread, people could discuss why they consider themselves to be 6 years old rather than 5 or 7, and that leads to questions and discussion but instead people just go 'I'm 6' and never come back to the thread.

    Then there are the threads that are controversial, whether by design, like the who do you want to be the president after the 2012 US elections thread (although this will die on a time limit of the election not the arguments), or by accident when someone posts a one line opinion and people jump to the most elaborate arguments without really getting anywhere (damn there have been a few of these come and go over the past 2 weeks alone). And it's no wonder that those threads fade because while they could have become the longer lasting type those who had been arguing refuse to come half way and move passed the tiny problem and back to the main discussion, while those who could join in with new stuff to bring don't want to because they don't want to be forced to pick a side or be stuck in the argument cross fire.

    Even when someone does bring something new the posts are likely to be ignored and the argument continues thanks to quote wars, arguers not reading any posts other than ones where they have been quoted; I feel if they don't come back to the thread to continue the debate without needing repeated quotes (and they're not blue) then they aren't interested enough in the original topic to make it worth arguing with them. Further when attempts are made at reconciliation people see it as a sign of weakness and it is looked upon as that person lost the argument rather than an attempt to move above and beyond it while agreeing to differ on opinions.

    I could go on with this train of thoughts but I feel the point has been made adequately, the garbage is needed for the long term health of ADISC while there is too much self absorption to permit certain things bellossomming into good long term topics and too much bickering over the most minor things to allow the macro-ideas to last.

    I conclude people need to stop worrying and complaining over newbies, give a little more interest in what others are saying and chill out over when posts start to become quoting back and forth.

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    I do understand and agree with a lot that is being said here. Yes, things get repetitive really fast around here. However, this is a community with lots of new members joining all the time. I agree that it is part of the bonding process to be allowed to ask the 'dumb' questions. I would have felt very awkward if somebody shooed me off to search for really old threads when I asked a redundant but innocent question. And yes, an article describing newbie basics would go out of date pretty quickly. While I think it would be a lot faster for newbies to 'do their homework' and find out the info they want to know by actually searching for it, I understand they may actually want a human opinion instead of something from Google, and it's really great that this community is nice enough to be supportive of new people. I think this is why I like this forum as much as I do. It's not full of holier-than-thou jerks.

    I don't expect any amount of philosophical or creative threads here, although I'm pleased when I run across one that is even remotely so. After all, what is this forum about? Diapers and baby stuff, about which there is not a whole lot to discuss sometimes. It would be nice though if, like MCsquared said, people would elaborate on their answers and posts more - maybe give more wiggle room in topic descriptions. That would add much more interest, and possibly spark discussions that have a lot more meaning than just, for example, wondering what your baby age is. Who cares what it is, if we don't know your reasons? Nobody will remember in a minute anyway when they click away from the page.

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    ADISC was good back when it was nascent, there was a sense of hope for something better, but now it's just a narcissistic coterie of elitists. Sheep who play follow-the-leader and hardly think outside the box, giving the impression there's a recipe for posting; a recipe that is followed uncompromisingly to the letter. The lack of personality is tiresome and it's easy to misidentify one user for another, but more significantly it's easy to dismiss posts entirely because they're so predictable. This has led to much attrition over recent years, especially in terms of quality, individualism, panache and ardour. Personal flair and style has greatly diminished and any post I read here may as well have been written by any of the regular forum-goers.

    I enjoyed the characters and Úlan 'back in the day'. There was this peculiar ebb and flow, as if everyone knew their role and was recognised thusly and yet despite being so archetypal, each time they spoke it was very novel, innovative, engrossing and with genuine passion and zeal. Some posts were so instrumental, so... seminal in the history of this forum, that I still recall them and their authors vividly to this day. However, it's with much contempt that I feel this place has become too clinical. Too structured. Too impersonal. Too bland. There's no flair anymore. I feel that if you give an alternative opinion, an opinion that's not expected, then you get reprimanded. I feel that if you don't want to give advice or be helpful, then you're not welcome. ADISC has lost its social capacity. You simply don't feel you should be here if you just want to have fun and enjoy yourself. Its all so rigid that I seriously doubt many people here would pass a Turing Test.

    People may look at this post and see it as a harsh assessment of the forum. And they're right. It is. It's meant to be because, hey, someone needs to be critical at some point. This lovey-dovey circle-jerk needs to break up sometime. The lack of argument and real debate here is disgusting. Is no one here willing to shoot straight down the line and call people out? No one willing to stand up and say "This isn't right!"? Are you all just too scared of retribution? This forum is so far removed from what typical online socialisation is like, that it's both scary and creepy. People are so defined and limited by the rules and guidelines that their own character and individuality suffers. A website should not mould its community to such a large extent as ADISC does. It should simply provide a platform for quality and interesting discussion, and that dynamic should exist with minimal interference from the authoritative figures.

    It only seems reasonable to ask, especially given the nature of this post, why am I still here? I've been around a while. I've done my time here. I've done my part for the forum. There's still a few floating around who could vouch for that. I've seen this place change dramatically and the truth is I feel self-entitled to be critical of the very thing I helped build. The landscape here was, in part, evolved by yours truly and I've earned a place here. You may feel differently - I expect you to - but let me just note that I admit to my arrogance. In saying that, I no longer feel compelled to earn the respect or admiration of the community and as such my contributions now are purely out of self-interest and inconsequential to my existence here, or in my real life. I'm simply here because I can be and I'm just going to enjoy the ride from here on out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmeraldsAndLime View Post
    ADISC was good back when it was nascent, there was a sense of hope for something better, but now it's just a narcissistic coterie of elitists. Sheep who play follow-the-leader and hardly think outside the box, giving the impression there's a recipe for posting; a recipe that is followed uncompromisingly to the letter. The lack of personality is tiresome and it's easy to misidentify one user for another, but more significantly it's easy to dismiss posts entirely because they're so predictable. This has led to much attrition over recent years, especially in terms of quality, individualism, panache and ardour. Personal flair and style has greatly diminished and any post I read here may as well have been written by any of the regular forum-goers.

    I enjoyed the characters and Úlan 'back in the day'. There was this peculiar ebb and flow, as if everyone knew their role and was recognised thusly and yet despite being so archetypal, each time they spoke it was very novel, innovative, engrossing and with genuine passion and zeal. Some posts were so instrumental, so... seminal in the history of this forum, that I still recall them and their authors vividly to this day. However, it's with much contempt that I feel this place has become too clinical. Too structured. Too impersonal. Too bland. There's no flair anymore. I feel that if you give an alternative opinion, an opinion that's not expected, then you get reprimanded. I feel that if you don't want to give advice or be helpful, then you're not welcome. ADISC has lost its social capacity. You simply don't feel you should be here if you just want to have fun and enjoy yourself. Its all so rigid that I seriously doubt many people here would pass a Turing Test.

    People may look at this post and see it as a harsh assessment of the forum. And they're right. It is. It's meant to be because, hey, someone needs to be critical at some point. This lovey-dovey circle-jerk needs to break up sometime. The lack of argument and real debate here is disgusting. Is no one here willing to shoot straight down the line and call people out? No one willing to stand up and say "This isn't right!"? Are you all just too scared of retribution? This forum is so far removed from what typical online socialisation is like, that it's both scary and creepy. People are so defined and limited by the rules and guidelines that their own character and individuality suffers. A website should not mould its community to such a large extent as ADISC does. It should simply provide a platform for quality and interesting discussion, and that dynamic should exist with minimal interference from the authoritative figures.

    It only seems reasonable to ask, especially given the nature of this post, why am I still here? I've been around a while. I've done my time here. I've done my part for the forum. There's still a few floating around who could vouch for that. I've seen this place change dramatically and the truth is I feel self-entitled to be critical of the very thing I helped build. The landscape here was, in part, evolved by yours truly and I've earned a place here. You may feel differently - I expect you to - but let me just note that I admit to my arrogance. In saying that, I no longer feel compelled to earn the respect or admiration of the community and as such my contributions now are purely out of self-interest and inconsequential to my existence here, or in my real life. I'm simply here because I can be and I'm just going to enjoy the ride from here on out.
    I'll get to other replies in all due time but for now I'll attempt to tackle this one. You've posed quite the challenge for me though considering when I was originally putting this together I was debating on how to go about it. I could of easily done this in a serious tone but I felt like if I wanted people to lighten up then we need some kind of humor thrown in. My current head set has been completely thrown off but that's okay.

    I'm still laughing at the thought of being referred to as an elitist even if you weren't pointing your finger at me specifically. The truth of the matter is I'm as humble as they come. I just think you have to understand why this place operates in the way it does. Sheep? Hardly. I don't even count em in my sleep. In a way I feel like your instigating Anarchy, control with no control. Believe it or not I would actually be all for that because I hate any form of censorship but I get why ADISC has to be this way.

    So what exactly does it come down to you ask? The kids. This place exist because of them even if some of us gray muzzles found this place later than others. I'll admit I didn't catch on at first when I joined and the thought of kids being welcomed with open arms on a forum of something that is so personal to me (or even sexual to others) disturbed me quite a bit. The more I lurked though, the more I understood I had nothing to fear. If anything I was jealous I never had such a place when I was their age, when I needed it the most. There is one forum in particular where I can vibe with what you're feeling when you talk about solid roots. Good ol' Lionking.org. Even though the forum was built on a fan base, some of us made it like a second family. The topics were full of interesting and well structured contributions. I loved that damn place. This is not about that though so let's get back on the subject of the kids.

    I personally feel if this place did encourage free thinking and actions with no consequence it would quickly get out of hand. There are plenty of other forums where you can get that sense of being or freedom but here is not the place for it. We have to cater to the needs of what the youngins need. They need to feel safe and welcomed when they first join. I'm sure some of them are scared as hell when they first join or hell even when they lurk for who knows how long. Don't they get enough of that bully mentality already at school to put up with more of it here? Just step back for a moment and try to remember what kind of person you were when discovering all this about yourself. Lack of self esteem perhaps? Shit son! I had none. Throw in the combination of my own parents labeling me as a freak of nature and you have yourself one scared as hell little boy.

    It's my personal belief by keeping to the tradition of a well balanced and maintained forum that this place will continue to grow. Will it ever evolve though? Is that not what we're doing now?

    The ironic thing is you're throwing around this elitist title yet your closing reeks of it. Respect though because at least you admit to it. How's that for ironic? You pose a threat on what I meant to be a good nature post and I counter with some love and kindness thrown right back in your face errrr wait a minute I mean you're an asshole. Happy? ;]

    Oh yeah and "BAAAA!"

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    EmeraldsAndLime

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    Quote Originally Posted by statik View Post
    I personally feel if this place did encourage free thinking and actions with no consequence it would quickly get out of hand.
    I never mentioned no consequences. Just a relaxation of the uptightness and micromanagement that is all too prevalent here. If people need to pull a stick out of their ass to do so, then I encourage them.



    Quote Originally Posted by statik View Post
    Just step back for a moment and try to remember what kind of person you were when discovering all this about yourself.
    Bold statement considering who don't know a thing about me. I was well into diapers before even jumping on an online forum about it. No unease, no personal issues, just naievity. My story is incredibly dull, but nonetheless I'm thankful I never had to struggle with this fetish.



    Quote Originally Posted by statik View Post
    The ironic thing is you're throwing around this elitist title yet your closing reeks of it. Respect though because at least you admit to it.
    Closing? I was just adding some personal wishy-washy bullshit so you'd think I could pass a Turing Test.



    Quote Originally Posted by statik View Post
    Oh yeah and "BAAAA!"
    Smartass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmeraldsAndLime View Post

    Smartass.
    Personality whore. ;D

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