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    Ok. This post is about incest. I can understand why male - female incest is looked down upon. Diseases and everything else that can be passed down from carrier to carrier of rare recessive genes, but my question is, why does society look down upon(More than they do normal) same-sex incest relationships? Where is the harm in say, two brothers who are both gay(That's really close, maybe cousins? Even I think that it may be awkward) what is so wrong with that relationship? There is no risk of passing down dangerous diseases... and odds are if you're related there are less chances of spreading contagious STDs...

    It's just a curious conversation that came up in school earlier today, and I was wondering what everyone's opinions on it.

    And... I do realize I've worded it poorly. I'll try and fix it in the morning when I'm not exhausted.

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    Well, this is a good question, and it is late for me as well, so forgive what idiocy I might say. I think for most people, there is the gross factor simply because most guys would not be sexually attracted to their brother, thus they could not understand the desire. And that's exactly what happens with other activities which are outside the social norm such as homosexuality and fetishes like diaper wearing. People tend to accept the things which they have either experienced or could imagine themselves doing. But when some experiences are well outside their understanding or personal desires, they believe it to be somehow, wrong.

    I was an only child, so I can't identify. I did have friends who had brothers, and I really can't imagine them having sex with one another. In almost every case, they were competitive with each other, and often got into arguments with each other. There was one memorable exception to this however.

    My best friend in 8th grade had several brother, two who were twins. I was in their house one day, walking through the twins bedroom, two boys, and they asked me if I wanted to watch them masturbate each other. They were actually younger than I was, so I politely declined, but to this day, I wonder what that would have looked like!

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    I'm going to assume that you mean "consenting adults", since one could argue that the younger sibling is unaware of what's going on and it could be traumatic if he or she is still a child (or even that the older child is still too young, and the younger child matured faster).

    This is something that, while logically I'm aware that there's nothing inherently wrong with this, I have an "ick" feeling about it. This actually was brought up in my ethics class, and a lot of people are willing to have it be illegal solely because they think it's gross, even if it's pleasurable to both involved and doesn't hurt anyone.

    I wouldn't try to legislate against it, but I'd never want to do this with my siblings... I'm just going to go bleach those thoughts from my brain now, thanks. >_<

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    AmbezeSubHealth

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    ( Sarcasm ) The penis and the vagina are sacred but only when used in sacred ways. ( /Sarcasm )
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    As far as I'm concerned incest is not really a medical problem but a social one, in the next 20 or so years we'll be doing prenatal checks for all recessive diseases and either genome modification or justifiable terminations of all children who might suffer due to these diseases. That won't stop there being kids with special needs but it would take a stain off the health, education and welfare systems we have in place.

    I wouldn't date my sister due to social stigma but Charles Darwin married and had children with a woman who was in all likely hood more genetically similar to himself than my sister is to me (his cousin on both parents sides, and his grand parents and great grand parents had closer inter family than would be considered normal in modern society), and there are at least 2 of my cousins I would willingly try to conceive a child with (yes it's weird but I've compartmentalised it and won't act on it any time soon)

    Then there's the Twinning issue as Dogboy said we're intrigued by twins who share a sex life be that masturbatory like his friends brothers or more like what we get from pornography, almost all girl on girl is designed so that the 2 don't just look like sisters but could conceivably be twins

    Although it's a legal issue separated siblings, like those formed by early life adoption, that reconnect and fall in love with each other (whether or not they know of their family ties) are not prejudiced against.

    Which leads us to the siblings that are related, grew up together and may or may not be romantically involved with one another, we find it odd but other sections of society do not.
    A joke told to me by my father and is very offensive: A gypsy girl writes into an agony aunt, "Aunty I think my brothers are gay, I'm 12, one's 14 and the other is 17, I'm still a virgin, what should I do"
    Ok it's a joke, and one in poor taste, but as all jokes it has a basis in truth and their are gypsy populations where incest is not necessarily encouraged but certainly not looked down on.

    Finally the spread of STDs is just as likely with your brother as it is the neighbourhood bike, if one of you has an STD the other will catch it. STDs risks are to do with how many sexual partners you've had and how active they are. You can have sex with 7 virgins and by fairly safe, you have sex with 1 sexually active person who has had partners in the 3 figure range and your risk is astronomically high.

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    StefanHasDiapees

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    I know that everything is 'weird' to somebody, and many of you will disagree with me on this, but I think you'd be surprised how many close-in-age brothers "fool around".

    I can think of at least 3 sets of brothers who I know for sure 'did stuff' together, even though they'd also fight and argue and compete like any other brothers.

    See, when you grow up just one or two years apart in age, and share a bedroom, things just happen. The boys don't even see it as 'gay'. When kids hanging out at the beach go skinny dipping and end up having a circle-jerk, you're only one tiny step away from masturbating each other.

    but again, at that age, it's not even really seen as gay (unless you are caught! Then, you will get called every name in the book). But really, homosexual acts happen way more than one would think between friends, cousins and brothers.

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    I think the reason people couldn't think of doing that is the relationship aspect that siblings have with each other. In Latin, there are 3 different variations of the word 'love' (and I wish I could remember them). Essentially, there was the love of your parents, the love of your brother (or close friend), and the love of your spouse or romantic acquaintance. If you think about for a second, those are 3 VERY different relationships in most people's eyes, and to intertwine any of them seems to almost diminish those sacred bonds between people.

    That being said, I'm not one to judge people for who they love or what they do. However, I don't know if I'd condone incest of any kind and that is based entirely on moral reasoning, not logic. I'm sure it happens and it's none of my business when or how it happens, as long as both members are consenting adults or teenagers around the same age who are consensually exploring their feelings and sexualities.

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    I believe incest is wrong no matter what the circumstance. Just my opinion on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCsquared View Post
    As far as I'm concerned incest is not really a medical problem but a social one, in the next 20 or so years we'll be doing prenatal checks for all recessive diseases and either genome modification or justifiable terminations of all children who might suffer due to these diseases. That won't stop there being kids with special needs but it would take a stain off the health, education and welfare systems we have in place.

    I wouldn't date my sister due to social stigma but Charles Darwin married and had children with a woman who was in all likely hood more genetically similar to himself than my sister is to me (his cousin on both parents sides, and his grand parents and great grand parents had closer inter family than would be considered normal in modern society), and there are at least 2 of my cousins I would willingly try to conceive a child with (yes it's weird but I've compartmentalised it and won't act on it any time soon)

    Then there's the Twinning issue as Dogboy said we're intrigued by twins who share a sex life be that masturbatory like his friends brothers or more like what we get from pornography, almost all girl on girl is designed so that the 2 don't just look like sisters but could conceivably be twins

    Although it's a legal issue separated siblings, like those formed by early life adoption, that reconnect and fall in love with each other (whether or not they know of their family ties) are not prejudiced against.

    Which leads us to the siblings that are related, grew up together and may or may not be romantically involved with one another, we find it odd but other sections of society do not.
    A joke told to me by my father and is very offensive: A gypsy girl writes into an agony aunt, "Aunty I think my brothers are gay, I'm 12, one's 14 and the other is 17, I'm still a virgin, what should I do"
    Ok it's a joke, and one in poor taste, but as all jokes it has a basis in truth and their are gypsy populations where incest is not necessarily encouraged but certainly not looked down on.

    Finally the spread of STDs is just as likely with your brother as it is the neighbourhood bike, if one of you has an STD the other will catch it. STDs risks are to do with how many sexual partners you've had and how active they are. You can have sex with 7 virgins and by fairly safe, you have sex with 1 sexually active person who has had partners in the 3 figure range and your risk is astronomically high.
    The way I spoke of STDs was poorly explained. If you and your brother are both virgins(never had sex of any kind whatsoever) and you weren't born with an STD, the risk factor of gaining one is zero. If your brother DOES have an STD, I have a strange feeling that you would KNOW he had one, seeing as you've been living with him for a long while.

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