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    NDAA Is A Hoax: You Can't Legalize Tyranny - YouTube

    Do you think this is a serious threat? What are your thoughts on the video?

    I do, but I'm 16, so don't go just on my word.

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    I believe this is a very serious threat. I started researching into things like the illuminati and the NWO a few years ago, I believe it is very possible that it could be happening. It is at least something people should be keeping an eye on. It is always good to stay informed, you know what they say "knowledge is power". I imagine what is happening in the US as the beginning of a revolution. Something like the French revolution, I hope. French Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wazzle View Post
    I imagine what is happening in the US as the beginning of a revolution. Something like the French revolution, I hope. French Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It could be Marxist too, although many/most of the protestors may not know what that means. As for Illuminati, I've seen some videos a while ago on the topic, and I can't say one way or another for sure. I think there is definitely some government tyranny taking hold, and quite possibly organized/planned. Whether or not they're a specific organization or psuedo-religious cause I'm rather skeptical. Simple corruption and cronyism are more likely, as well as some use of mainstream media (Murdoch's News Corporation, in particular) to control information/perception and keep the "loyal" politicians in office.

    Although they have legitimate concerns, and I don't doubt the influence of banks and media moguls (some offshore) in the government, some of the claims made by the NWO believers, such as the markings on the dollar bill, were rather far-fetched. Illuminati or not, what we really need to look out for is fascism. Social Darwinism, imperialism, nationalism (also known as "patriotism") and prejudice/racism are core tenants of this dangerous ideology, and all of them are really starting to become prevalent in the U.S. When you start seeing stuff about a "strengthening", "restoring our country" or "purging the weak" in politics is when you really need to worry. I hate to throw that word around, because like "socialism" it's widely mis-used and few people today really understand what it means (other than "what my opponent believes"). It's also hard to find an unbiased or remotely informative article on the topic of fascism since it gets used to describe everything from "big brother" to "government regulation" to "universal healthcare", but I did find this article worth reading.

    Oh yes, the video in question. That kind of behavior from the government is nothing spectacularly new. May I refer you to the Espionage Act of 1917, which is what the government used to suppress the Pentagon Papers (I forget the name of the whistleblower off the top of my head) and tried to use against Julian Assange and Bradley Manning not long ago. The founding fathers knew of government power grabs when they wrote the constitution, and its primary purpose was to limit the power of the government. One example being the right to bear arms; if all else fails the citizens have a way to defend themselves and overthrow the government if it becomes too tyrannical. What's most alarming is the rate at which these constitutional protections are being eroded recently; they've always been put into question, but they're being questioned (and often dismissed by courts) much faster than before in history.

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    Your thoughts on "Governent" Tyranny.

    While I was going through my teacher training in the early 1970’s I read numerous non-mainstream books/essays on the topic (of teaching/education). One by R. Buckminster Fuller, titled “Education automation: freeing the scholar to return to his studies: a discourse before the Southern Illinois University, Edwardsville Campus Planning Committee, April 22, 1961” and another by Neil Postman and Charles Weingartner “Teaching as a Subversive Activity”. The upshot of this book is that, in a free democracy, we need individuals that are able to use critical thinking and logical problem solving in order to discern, rather than being individuals that have learned to recite facts or information.

    My father used to tell me this proverb:
    “You should only believe half of what you see, and none of which you hear”

    In this era of having the internet (errantly called the Information Superhighway, a better description is that it is a Misinformation Superhighway) we need to have “Crap Detectors” to distinguish truth from lie/distortion, fact from opinion/propaganda.

    There are numerous examples of conspiracy theories available on the internet; most of which are outright distortions that support some political ideology or faction.

    First, let’s start the discussion with an accurate definition of the word “tyranny” shall we?



    Quoting Bps:

    “The founding fathers knew of government power grabs when they wrote the constitution, and its primary purpose was to limit the power of the government. One example being the right to bear arms; if all else fails the citizens have a way to defend themselves and overthrow the government if it becomes too tyrannical.”

    The problem with most adherents to this train of thought is that they ARE TYPICALLY ARMED TO THE TEETH and would just love an opportunity and justification to use them in a “Rambo Style” blaze of glory! Who determines when the government has become “too tyrannical” and thereby is justified in using what the Tea parties, Sharron Angle referred to as “Second Amendment Remedies”?

    Take a read of this Opinion Article published in the Harvard Crimson:



    Jared Lee Loughery, the shooter in the Arizona massacre of January 2011, was an example of an individual that was influenced by these notions an acted accordingly. From the cited article above:

    If the Second Amendment exists to allow Americans to shoot tyrants, and if each of us can decide on our own when our government is tyrannical, and who is therefore a legitimate target of attack, then political assassinations are exercises of important political freedoms rather than violent, tragic attacks on our public servants.

    Regarding the video that you posted/linked to: this is classic. The doomsday music track. The voiceover of the ideological cyber/talk radio rightwing bully, Alex Jones. The images of barbed/razor wire surrounded Secret FEMA Camps , wow, WTF?

    There is so much bunk in this video that I could not endure all 12+ minutes.

    Oh BTW, I do think you meant to use the word “Government” instead of “Governent” in your title. I realize that it was probably just a typo.
    Last edited by Diapered Rabbit; 13-Jan-2012 at 23:35. Reason: correct spoilers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diapered Rabbit View Post
    The problem with most adherents to this train of thought is that they ARE TYPICALLY ARMED TO THE TEETH and would just love an opportunity and justification to use them in a “Rambo Style” blaze of glory! Who determines when the government has become “too tyrannical” and thereby is justified in using what the Tea parties, Sharron Angle referred to as “Second Amendment Remedies”?
    Maybe I was unclear, but just to clarify, I don't advocate violent overthrow of the government, I don't own a gun, I don't like guns (or any kind of violence), and I am not looking forward to any kind of opportunity to use my weapons in a "blaze of glory". The 2nd amendment was the first constitutional protection I could think of a concrete example for off the top of my head. By "too tyrannical" I meant the point at which citizens actually have to defend themselves, against a government that blatantly ignores due process and other constitutional protections in the name of a political agenda (e.g. suppression of dissent).

    That said,

    Quote Originally Posted by Diapered Rabbit View Post
    Who determines when the government has become “too tyrannical” and thereby is justified in using what the Tea parties, Sharron Angle referred to as “Second Amendment Remedies”?
    the people make the determination when they've had enough, just like all the other countries that violently overthrew their oppressive government as of late. Who else would make the determination? The problem with the Tea Party isn't that they're an out-of-control group of grassroots activists, but that they're astroturfing vigilantes, getting their marching orders from FreedomWorks and Fox News, who think they're doing the right thing or at least acting in their own best interests (but wrong on both counts). No it's not a good thing, even if somebody else does it.

    No, I don't look forward to it (given our government, and it's military-industrial complex, that will be the bloodiest civil war in history). I just think, with the apathetic/corrupt politicians of today, that's where things are headed, whether you and I like it or not. It's also my understanding that the framers of the constitution, who intended to create a system of checks and balances, had government overthrow in mind when that amendment was written. Maybe I'm misinformed, in which case I implore you to provide evidence to the contrary and enlighten me, but I thought I should clear up that I'm not "armed to the teeth" like some nutcases evidently are.

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    Yes this is a serious threat and is a clear violation of the forth and fifth(with regard to due process) amendments much like the patriot act that preceded it. ( Bill of rights some of your rights if you would like to know them) and we'll just have the see how these laws are enforced to see what other rights they violate. If we're lucky we'll get to see some habeas corpus action and actually violate the body of the constitution (article1 section9)

    As for the the second amendment granting the right to over throw the government. It doesn't take a stance on that either way. A case can be made that that's what the founding fathers had in mind considering they just over threw a tyrannical government a few short years earlier, but supporting evidence is lacking and it just amounts to speculation.

    Now if you want to make a case for over throwing the government it helps to refer back to the declaration of independence or as I like to call it, "a case for over throwing the government."
    Now I can already hear a few of you nay sayers out there, saying nay. Saying "but the declaration of independence isn't a governing document you can't base anything on that".
    If you are saying that your right, at least about it not being a governing document. The declaration does however reflect american principles and ideals and if your going to have a revolution wouldn't you want it to be a principled one.

    Before I digress any further the declaration justifies revolt on the grounds of the consent of the governed that is established in the line following the oft cited "life liberty and pursuit of happiness"
    "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"source
    I believe this is what Bps was getting at in his earlier post


    Quote Originally Posted by Bps View Post
    *snip* That said,the people make the determination when they've had enough, just like all the other countries that violently overthrew their oppressive government as of late. Who else would make the determination? *snip*
    So indeed violent revolution would be justified but I don't think its going to happen. What I would like to see is the tea partyers, the occupy movement people and the rest of the dissatisfied public get together and demand their rights back.

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    It's the pattern of governments to fall into tyranny.

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