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    Default What is your political viewpoint and why?

    (Title is misspelled should be "political". Asking for a admin's help now.)

    This is 100% simple and easy.

    Rules/guide lines.
    1. Tell adisc what your political party is, if you have one.
    2. Tell us why you prefer that party over others.
    3. No fighting with others or saying their view points are wrong.. This is purely to get to know each other a tad bit better.

    I am fiscal conservative and social libertarian. I believe that people should be able to realitvly do what they wish. Only exceptions are killing people unjustly, drunk driving, texting while driving, etc. Stuff that's really really bad or has been proven to cause nothing but problems. Though if your running away from someone who's trying to murder or harm you, drunk driving is somewhat permissible.

    As for fiscal conservative. I don't think having government programs to help out every thing under the sun is a good idea. We literary spend trills of dollars per year and it's sinking our nation under debt extremely fast. To make enough of a difference I think there has to be massive cuts and yes that will be hard and gut wrenching to do. People may even die because of it see the "gut wrenching" part.

    People will also really fight somethings literary if "their" programs get cut. As soon as we get the debt under control and start bringing it down then i'll be fine doing it on a limited basis. But that's how this whole mess started in the first place give out more money then we're able to take in as government.

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    I'm with ya, Fire2box.

    I'm a social libertarian as well. I believe that you should have the right to do anything as long as you don't interfere with another human being's fundamental human rights. However, I'm also a Constitutionalist, and I realize that the Constitution doesn't protect, for instance, someone's right to do drugs. Therefore, I feel that it's justified if a state illegalizes drugs. Stupid and anti-liberty, but also justified by the Constitution.

    I'm really passionate about my views on economics, however. I'm a laissez-faire capitalist. I believe in the smallest, flattest tax possible, and I believe in no (or very few) government regulations on business, and I believe all social welfare programs should be abolished. This is mostly because I don't feel that the government should forcibly take money from one group of people (the rich, the successful, the intelligent, the competent, etc.) and redistribute it to the poor, the needy, the homeless, the sick, the hungry, the old, the disabled, etc. Such people should have to rely on voluntary charity, not on government force and coercion.

    As for foreign policy, I'm a pretty strict noninterventionist. I believe we should withdraw our troops from Iraq, Afghanistan, and many of the countless other countries we have troops stationed in. I believe we should end all foreign aid to other countries, and I believe we should withdraw from organizations that advocate international law, like the UN. In other words, I think we should just trade (100% free trade) with other countries and not get involved in international conflicts unless they directly involve us (e.g. 9/11).

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    I would be a Libertarian transhumanist with socialist tendency's.
    Libertarian transhumanism is about human enhancement and the right to it via technology, the principles of self ownership and having the freedom to achieve a posthuman state via various ways of technological enhancement.

    For me it stems from my insane passion with technology and the evolution of the humans mixed with technology i think these things will vastly change the political spectrum's of the current world.

    Its a bit simplistic I suppose I need to spend more time studying politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlindBlobfish View Post
    I would be a Libertarian transhumanist with socialist tendency's.
    Libertarian transhumanism is about human enhancement and the right to it via technology, the principles of self ownership and having the freedom to achieve a posthuman state via various ways of technological enhancement.

    For me it stems from my insane passion with technology and the evolution of the humans mixed with technology i think these things will vastly change the political spectrum's of the current world.

    Its a bit simplistic I suppose I need to spend more time studying politics
    You played Deus Ex... haven't you? Or at least Seen ghost in the Shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlindBlobfish View Post
    Its a bit simplistic I suppose I need to spend more time studying politics
    I'm thinking yeah (hoping that doesn't run afoul of the rules...)

    Meanwhile, I'm just a click to the left of Libertarianism myself. I do not believe that corporations of any kind are incapable of behaving in such a way that intrusive regulation by government entities would not inevitably be required. Hence, I believe that the very concept of the corporation should be illegal in a free society, because in a free society, one is always responsible for one's actions and, by extension, one's subordinate's actions. The very idea of the corporation creates a layer of insulation against such responsibility and, as such, undermines the entire libertarian principle of absolute freedom coupled with absolute responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    You played Deus Ex... haven't you? Or at least Seen ghost in the Shell.
    Ghost in the Shell was awesome, though it had no effect on my political positions whatsover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    You played Deus Ex... haven't you? Or at least Seen ghost in the Shell.
    ummm yes I have seen Ghost in the shell not a huge anime fan these days but I did really like it for several reasons :P

    I have read much better sources on transhumanism in fiction and non fiction book novels and various sources. But ghost in the shell is a great way to explain Transhumanism in a simplified way

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    I'm kind of all over the place.

    I'm somewhat of a libertarian in that I think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want, as long as it's not making life harder (to an unreasonable degree) for someone else. In principle I am in favor of government regulation as the private sector has demonstrated over and over again that they'll throw public safety and ethics out the window to save money. In practice, the government is at this point at least heavily influenced by these same private sector corporations, so it's really a moot point.

    I'm generally a fan of social programs, although I think there needs to be a little more focus on fixing the problem vice just keeping people on the system till they die. I'm very much in favor of programs that provide education and job opportunities. I'd rather see twice of my tax dollars go towards educating someone so they can become self supporting instead of just keeping them alive. I'm also a fan of social medicine, but admit that it isn't a perfect system.

    I'm in favor of making all drugs legal. This is obviously a fairly hot topic, but my reasoning is that:
    - legal or illegal, I don't think will make much difference on usage. Maybe a few people on the fence might decide to do heroin if they make it legal, but I think in general anyone who wants to do it is doing it.
    - it would cut out a huge chunk of the drug problem, namely all the crime that surrounds drug trafficking and dealing
    - good source of tax revenue

    Speaking of taxes, I think their should be a flat rate regardless of income. I'm too lazy to dig up the stats, but the amount of money spent processing taxes for _each person_ is absolutely insane. You could probably lower the rates drastically just as a result of dropping all that overhead.

    (for context, I'm Canadian).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoundCoder View Post
    I'm kind of all over the place.

    I'm somewhat of a libertarian in that I think people should be able to do whatever the hell they want, as long as it's not making life harder (to an unreasonable degree) for someone else. In principle I am in favor of government regulation as the private sector has demonstrated over and over again that they'll throw public safety and ethics out the window to save money. In practice, the government is at this point at least heavily influenced by these same private sector corporations, so it's really a moot point.

    I'm generally a fan of social programs, although I think there needs to be a little more focus on fixing the problem vice just keeping people on the system till they die. I'm very much in favor of programs that provide education and job opportunities. I'd rather see twice of my tax dollars go towards educating someone so they can become self supporting instead of just keeping them alive. I'm also a fan of social medicine, but admit that it isn't a perfect system.

    I'm in favor of making all drugs legal. This is obviously a fairly hot topic, but my reasoning is that:
    - legal or illegal, I don't think will make much difference on usage. Maybe a few people on the fence might decide to do heroin if they make it legal, but I think in general anyone who wants to do it is doing it.
    - it would cut out a huge chunk of the drug problem, namely all the crime that surrounds drug trafficking and dealing
    - good source of tax revenue

    Speaking of taxes, I think their should be a flat rate regardless of income. I'm too lazy to dig up the stats, but the amount of money spent processing taxes for _each person_ is absolutely insane. You could probably lower the rates drastically just as a result of dropping all that overhead.

    (for context, I'm Canadian).
    So why bother with income taxes when one can revert back to what was originally authorized in the constitution (excise and tariff) and solve the problem transparently? Let's face it, if a corporation is hit with a tax on revenue, they WILL pass that cost onto the consumer. Why not just tax the consumer and quit with the pretense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlindBlobfish View Post
    ummm yes I have seen Ghost in the shell not a huge anime fan these days but I did really like it for several reasons :P

    I have read much better sources on transhumanism in fiction and non fiction book novels and various sources. But ghost in the shell is a great way to explain Transhumanism in a simplified way
    As much as I like technology I don't really like it to be inside my body. I would however love if my glasses had a HUD display that could show various information and could instantly go dark with the press of a buton. Not to mention take cell phone resed pictures. i know they kinda have this stuff already but not in a small enough device for it to be "cool".

    Also on bodt modifcation, people have put rare earth magnets inside their finger tips so they get a 6th sense of magnetic fields. But still no doctor is going to do implants on those anytime to soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBDaddy View Post
    So why bother with income taxes when one can revert back to what was originally authorized in the constitution (excise and tariff) and solve the problem transparently? Let's face it, if a corporation is hit with a tax on revenue, they WILL pass that cost onto the consumer. Why not just tax the consumer and quit with the pretense?
    In an idea world with a direct chain from producer to consumer this might work. Way too much of business these days is from one business to another. Yes, somewhere there is a consumer, but there are a lot of "chains" where money flows in a huge circle without actually seeing a non-business.

    I'd also add to my original tirade that I think the stock market really needs to be fixed. People don't invest in ideas any more, they use prediction models to try and skim off the top by trading stocks seconds after buying them along a trend. Some argue this provides liquidity, but I think it just funnels _even more_ money to entities which don't actually produce anything but just leach off the economy.

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