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Thread: The "Ground Zero Mosque" vs reality

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    Okay, here's what makes me angry, sad and depressed - the people arguing against the "ground zero mosque". In case you haven't heard this nonsense, here's a brief refresher:

    A few blocks away from the site of the World Trade Center in New York is a planned 13-floor building that used to be a Burlington Coat Factory. The idea is that it will be a community center with a gym, a culinary school, a theater, a swimming pool, a fitness center, a childcare center, an auditorium, a food court, basketball court, and among other things, a prayer room. A year ago, this was cheered on by pretty much everybody in the area as a wonderful way to revitalize the neighborhood which is considered a little sleazy (there's a stripclub right across the street) and run-down. Unfortunately, some right-wing fucknuts have been making a scene over it, calling it a "victory mosque".

    There have been attempts by Pat Robertson's team of lawyers to stop it, Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin have both made statements that it shouldn't happen, and Fox News has basically been making shit up about it.

    Okay people, this is bad. Cracked Magazine, a comedy website usually devoted to making lists about why boobs are awesome and which obscure piece of 80s childhood nostalgia is most underrated, is actually making more sense on this issue than the American right wing. This is how bad it's become, people. This is how far America has sunk. The juvenile specialists in all things toilet humor, Transformers and vagina-related are making more sense on a political issue than Fox News. It was bad when the Daily Show hit that level, and it was worse when the crazy shit Glenn Beck spouts is more crazy than the in-character stuff said by Stephen Colbert, but this is CRACKED MAGAZINE. They make a web series about a guy who eats nothing but chicken nuggets, eats board game pieces because he thinks they're candy and is barely literate. They have an article posted right now outlining 7 reasons why a zombie outbreak wouldn't happen. AND THEY ARE MAKING MORE SENSE THAN THE RIGHT WING IN AMERICAN POLITICS.

    So this is a message to Fox News, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Rick Lazio, Glenn Beck and anyone who supports any of the above: You should all be deeply ashamed of yourselves. Seriously, are you so lacking in self-awareness that you don't see how ridiculous you look right now? You're arguing against a community center and you can't even list a reason why that is based in reality. This is why you're called racists or bigots - because you argue fervently against stuff like this, with reasons that have no basis at all in the real world. When the crazy crap you spout as your motivation is completely and demonstrably false, we have only two choices. We can either assume that the reasons you ACTUALLY have are so embarrassingly hideous that you don't want to say them out loud, or you're intentionally ignorant on the issues at hand.

    So take a good, hard look at yourself and feel shame. For once, feel shame at the stupid shit you let fall out of your mouths, and for the dumbass shit you let someone cram in to your head.

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    Wow. All I can say is that I agree with your awesome post, and that the right wingers FAIL.

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    I never seen any problem with this before and yet again I am conservative/libertarian. As long as they don't plan to commit terrorists acts, or harbor fugitives or commit any major criminal acts (funding known terrorists is one, right?) I do not freaking give a hell what they do and/or build. That said. "Fox News, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Rick Lazio, Glenn Beck and anyone who supports any of the above" don't all have bad/insane ideas. Though any of them that are trying to make a big deal out of this is just trying to get ratings or gather up support.

    Sorry bgi, but this is one issue we are going to have to agree upon.. i'm sorry if I made fucking hell freeze over. (actually, this is most likely the libertarian in me kicking the conservative's ass.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    Sorry bgi, but this is one issue we are going to have to agree upon.. i'm sorry if I made fucking hell freeze over.
    *gasp!* You should be ASHAMED of yourself! ASHAMED!

    ...*ahem*

    Jokes aside, I haven't found this to be a liberal/conservative issue. While the primary vocal parties on the "against" side are definitely Conservative (Not all of them, though! Thanks, Harry Reid -_-), I find that most conservatives with two licks of common sense remember that this country was founded on religious freedom, and respect that.

    Of course, the mentioned parties do not qualify as having "two licks of common sense" in their discourse on the best of days, so that's probably a bit of a clincher there.

    But, yes, the hypocrisy of the people against the building of this Mosque astounds me to an incredible degree.


    You know what? I was going to summarize the idiocy I've seen on this issue on the "against" side, but I'll leave it be. The commentary from those talking heads and their parrots has been so astoundingly stupid that I feel dirty just considering typing it. I'm sure that those who care enough to have paid attention to this know what has transpired.

    Suffice it to say, I guess, that this issue has brought out "Little Green Footballs" levels of insane derp.

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    OK, as many of you know, I'm Christian, but I think the building is completely OK. If they built a Mosque right over or absolutely right next to ground zero, I'd be a little frustrated and wonder what their motives are. While I completely disagree with Muslims' beliefs (especially the extremists) It doesn't mean we should take away their freedom of religion. I still respect them and view them as equals like everyone else should. From the sound of it, it's not even a Mosque. If it's more than a block away, let them build a huge Mosque if they want. Most Muslims probably don't agree with the 9/11 attacks anyways.

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    It is without question that they have every legal right to do this. It is private property and the first amendment of course protects you to worship to a government recognized deity on your own property. We cannot magically pick and choose when the first amendment or rights in general don't apply. I thought this was silly to begin with. Put a skin bar there...it really doesn't matter.

    Out of all this I'd like to note how much more American society is fearful of Islam now than it was 10 years ago. Isn't that amazing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggy View Post
    It is without question that they have every legal right to do this. It is private property and the first amendment of course protects you to worship to a government recognized deity on your own property. We cannot magically pick and choose when the first amendment or rights in general don't apply. I thought this was silly to begin with. Put a skin bar there...it really doesn't matter.

    Out of all this I'd like to note how much more American society is fearful of Islam now than it was 10 years ago. Isn't that amazing?
    9/11 made us hate Muslims more then Blacks, amazing I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggy View Post
    It is without question that they have every legal right to do this. It is private property and the first amendment of course protects you to worship to a government recognized deity on your own property. We cannot magically pick and choose when the first amendment or rights in general don't apply. I thought this was silly to begin with. Put a skin bar there...it really doesn't matter.

    Out of all this I'd like to note how much more American society is fearful of Islam now than it was 10 years ago. Isn't that amazing?
    If I recall correctly, there's a strip joint kitty-cornered from it, actually.

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    In all fairness, America's been building "ground zeros" next to Middle Eastern mosques since March 2003.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fire2box View Post
    Sorry bgi, but this is one issue we are going to have to agree upon.. i'm sorry if I made fucking hell freeze over. (actually, this is most likely the libertarian in me kicking the conservative's ass.)
    i KNEW there was a reason for sending the devil a pair of ice skates and a beanie a few weeks ago

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