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Thread: Back to the drawing board with Ontario's new sex-ed

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    Default Back to the drawing board with Ontario's new sex-ed

    Just a recap of where things are right now...


    April 20th:
    Changes to sex-ed curriculum raise ire of family groups - Parentcentral.ca


    The province is rolling out a new physical health and education curriculum starting this fall — the first in 12 years — that is based on healthy living and making good choices.

    It includes discussions about relationships and respecting differences — including same-sex couples — in Grade 3. Grade 6 covers the emotional and physical changes of adolescence; teacher discussion points include talking about how wet dreams are natural, and masturbation is something people “find pleasurable.”

    In Grade 7, students learn about delaying sexual activity, sexually transmitted infections (STIs) and how to prevent them, including abstinence. That could spark discussion about oral sex or anal intercourse and how they too can be risky.
    McGuinty wants sex ed to start in Grade 3 - Parentcentral.ca


    Some conservatives groups who are mounting a campaign to get rid of the sex ed program, which see lessons taught as early as Grade 3, are accusing the government of corrupting young minds with sexually explicit material.

    Kids will learn about such topics anyway, whether it’s from their friends or the Internet, said McGuinty.

    By making it part of the curriculum, children will get the information in a venue “over which we have some control,” he argued.

    “Why wouldn’t we recognize that we live in an information age and why wouldn’t we try to present this information in a thoughtful and responsible and open way?”

    April 22nd:
    No sex info for Grade 3s, Ontario says- Politics - Canoe.ca


    Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty pulled the plug Thursday on a controversial new sex-education curriculum for elementary school children in Ontario.

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    Insisting the province was not giving in to demands from religious groups that had vowed a May 10 boycott of schools over the issue, McGuinty said he has heard plenty of criticism about the curriculum during the past 24 hours.


    Two years. Two years of careful research all went down the drain last week after a single day of complaints from the social conservatives (who, I'd like to remind you, didn't do two years of research).

    The Liberal government here in Ontario spent two years researching and planning a healthy sexual-education curriculum for grades 1-8. They're updating something that hasn't been updated in many years. We're living in a different world today - a world with internet and any kind of porn at your fingertips. So we need to raise awareness in kids about the different sexual lifestyles some people have, in order to reinforce acceptance.

    But now it's back to the drawing board because some parents don't like the idea of their kid learning what a penis is in grade 1, or learning about homosexuality in grade 3, or learning about masturbation in grade 6, or learning about STDs and oral sex in grade 7. That whole curriculum is done for now because of protests from religious groups. I'm steamed not just because it didn't go through, but because it's clear I can't trust the Liberal government to get much done in this province if a group of people gets angry.

    Personally, I think it would have been a fantastic idea, and in fact may have even prevented high school kids from drawing penises on their lockers (true story).

    but because something as natural as human sexuality is so demonised, I guess we'll never know...

    Comments? Concerns? Criticisms? Opinions?

    In related news, a senior Tehran cleric recently said women dressing immodestly is what caused the recent earthquakes. In retaliation, women around the world held a 24 hour protest on monday in which they all went topless. It was called Boobquake 2010.
    Last edited by Chillhouse; 27-Apr-2010 at 19:28.

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    LilLillyKitten

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    I think it's inappropriate to teach a 3rd grader about sexual relationships, but that's just me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TygerLily View Post
    I think it's inappropriate to teach a 3rd grader about sexual relationships, but that's just me...
    That exact mentality is where Chillhouse is taking issue. Basically, the Liberal government decided that it was time to stop thinking about what people WANT 3rd graders to know, and instead start dealing with what 3rd graders are already exposed to through movies, TV, the internet and each other, then build a curriculum based on providing correct information on those topics in a way a 3rd grader can understand.

    Hell, when I was in 3rd grade, there were already kids calling each other "faggot" and "queer", and that was in the 80s. If you keep trying to teach kids what you want them to know instead of dealing with what they already know just from the playground, you're going to have a bunch of kids who have a shitload of bad info rattling around in their brains that can lead to some really bad choices.

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    AmbezeSubHealth

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    knowledge never hurt anyone of any age.

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    Mako

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    First off I want to point out to the Americans here that despite the Ontario sex-ed being 12 years old. It is still miles ahead of where America is in it's abstinence only education. So take into account the different tone and standard already set.

    My experience in Ontario was similar to BGI3's except it was more into grade 4 where most of the jokes turned sexual and we became curious about a whole boatload of things. Before then we were content with swears. Now this is before every home had a computer and the internet. It's a different world and it royally pisses me off that social progress is once again being held up due to a bunch of superstitions.

    Kids especially need to be stressed on same sex issues in my province if not my country. Terms like faggots and queer are common insults amongst young elementary aged kids. Though the attitudes in high school in general have improved, it still could use some work.

    The biggest thing they need to change is the "no condoms in school" rule. I'm not sure if this was just our school board, or if it's province wide. But either way boys should be taught how to properly put on condoms. Oral instruction isn't enough, crack out of the zuchinni's and rubbers and let em have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TygerLily View Post
    I think it's inappropriate to teach a 3rd grader about sexual relationships, but that's just me...
    I think there is a difference between teaching about sexual realtionship, relationship, teaching about a "love" relationship and teaching about friendship, and the difference between those last two. Except the sexual relationship, all those things should be thought to 3e graders( in my opinion) so that they understand the different kind of relationship that can exist (and I think learning them about things like that at a young age might make it easier to understand homosexual relationships. From personal experiences I can tell, this is something weird if you learn about it on a later age, no matter how open minded you are)



    Quote Originally Posted by AmbezeSubHealth View Post
    knowledge never hurt anyone of any age.
    Not true, many people have been hurt because of knowing to much, especially children that had to learn hard lessons about life very early. These things can damage someone for live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bgi39jsjw0ggg View Post
    That exact mentality is where Chillhouse is taking issue.
    That's a bingo!

    It's inappropriate to teach 3rd graders about sexual relationships because it's inappropriate to teach 3rd grader about sexual relationships. Very circular.


    Quote Originally Posted by diapersrulez View Post
    Not true, many people have been hurt because of knowing to much, especially children that had to learn hard lessons about life very early. These things can damage someone for live.
    Of course, that's something that's beyond the scope of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chillhouse View Post
    That's a bingo!

    It's inappropriate to teach 3rd graders about sexual relationships because it's inappropriate to teach 3rd grader about sexual relationships. Very circular.
    Just my opinion... I think kids are being encouraged to grow up too fast through that, but I really don't know what it's like to attend elementary schools nowadays.

    When I did, sex-ed occured in 5th grade, and covered mainly puberty. (Boys and girls in seperate classrooms.) The next year, it was again focused on puberty. (From what I recall... don't think we were segregated based upon gender.) Then, in 7th grade, we covered some safe sex material, and in 10th expanded on that even further; abstinance was what was encouraged, but it wasn't the focus.

    I only heard the term "faggot" once in elementary school, and it came from someone who was at least two years older than me. I also remember hearing kids talking about "doing it" although I wasn't quite sure what "it" was at the time... that was in like 3rd grade, I think.

    I just have an issue with it coming up at age 9, I guess; I think that's too young.

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    I've been semi-following this. The newspaper articles weren't as clear as the site was, imo. Toronto Sun is fail...

    Anyway, I thought they meant like SEX sex ed. Like "this is a penis and if you stick it in a vagina a baby may come out". I think that is a bit beyond what a 3rd grader should know. However, upon reading this thread, I think the curriculum would have been great. Teaching about same sex couples in grade 3 sounds beneficial. In my high school it's like "Oh, you're gay? So is everyone and their mom. Get back to work. Fag". Like even the term "fag" and "queer" have almost nothing to do with being gay when they are used. It's just devolved into a derogatory term in general. Like "Yo, that queer cut me off!". I know a guy who used to have open discussions in the middle of class about going to shops to test out flavoured condoms that his "friend with benefits" might like. He probably STILL has those discussions. I live in a pretty accepting place. Heck, a girl was walking around with an "I <3 Yaoi" bag. I'm sure the teachers had NO IDEA what it meant, but c'mon, seriously??? It's almost getting to the point of "Yeah, we get it. You're gay". What would people say if I had a backpack that said "I <3 Girl-on-Girl"?

    Basically, same sex couples are cropping up, and it is becoming more common for them to have kids from previous relationships and adopting. Kids should be taught about the idea of homosexuality as early as possible.

    Sort of ashamed to say my youngest brother got grade 1s swearing when HE was in grade 1, and it never seemed to go away. They call everyone "fag, gay, queer, fucker, bitch, cunt"... and they're six. So the whole "Oh noes, swearing and loss of innocence" is completely lost on them.

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    For me, it is not the schools business to teach my son about sex. I am a very engaged parent and I feel I am the best person to decide when he is capable of understanding sex and reproduction. My father and mother taught me when I hit fourth grade. I was ok with everything except abortion gave me nightmares.

    If they want to offer a yearly sex education class that requires a parent to sign a permission slip for a student to attend. That would be fine with me since it gives me a chance to teach him our knowledge,traditions, and values before. He can then take the class and balance our teaching with the schools and decide for himself what he wants to do.

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