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    Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVI -Times Online



    RICHARD DAWKINS, the atheist campaigner, is planning a legal ambush to have the Pope arrested during his state visit to Britain “for crimes against humanity”.

    Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the atheist author, have asked human rights lawyers to produce a case for charging Pope Benedict XVI over his alleged cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church.

    The pair believe they can exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, when he visited Britain in 1998.

    Benedict will be in Britain between September 16 and 19, visiting London, Glasgow and Coventry, where he will beatify Cardinal John Henry Newman, the 19th-century theologian.

    Dawkins and Hitchens believe the Pope would be unable to claim diplomatic immunity from arrest because, although his tour is categorised as a state visit, he is not the head of a state recognised by the United Nations.
    EDIT on April 21: Some people are getting confused, so; The thread title is a misquote by the paper I linked to. Dawkins didn't say anything about arresting the pope. He said he was giving his full support to the lawyer who was trying to get an arrest warrent on him.
    Last edited by Chillhouse; 21-Apr-2010 at 14:47.

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    Asher

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    ...Sounds a little over exaggerated to me.



    The pair believe they can exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, when he visited Britain in 1998.
    Yea, but Pinochet was a man who led a coup d'etat to take over that government, killing many people and torturing even more. Last time I checked, the Pope hasn't led a coup d'etat to take over Italy... Hell, he wouldn't even have to; he already has his own state and he is the spiritual leader to billion+ people who follow Roman Catholicism.

    But hey, got to give Dawkins and Hitchens an A for effort. ...Most likely not going to work, but they're trying.

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    Now THATS! gonna be interesting, the pope gets arrested! bout bloody time...

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    This sounds like it'll be quite the story. Can't wait to see how it'll turn out.

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    Mako

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    I'm not sure if Dawkins will go through with it. If you remember a few years ago, there was also talk of activists arresting George W. Bush on a visit to Canada for war crimes regarding the illegal war in Iraq. Americans may recall that we built a replica of the Saddam statue in Bush's likeness and toppled it.

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    Well... the Pope will cite "diplomatic immunity", which I think is a cop-out. Personally, I don't know what the RCC was thinking when they elevated this guy to the level of Pope in the first place. He doesn't seem to have a whit of human compassion. He restored into service several holocaust-denying Bishops. He covered up child abuse that had been going on for at LEAST half a century. He meddles in secular politics (violating the Church's 501c tax-free charter). He doesn't even seem to be particularly religious. He leads the Roman Catholic Church with all the passion and spirit of a banking executive. How did this guy get into office?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly Mage View Post
    Well... the Pope will cite "diplomatic immunity", which I think is a cop-out.
    He doesn't have diplomatic immunity; the vatican isn't recognized as an independent state by the the UN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chillhouse View Post
    He doesn't have diplomatic immunity; the vatican isn't recognized as an independent state by the the UN.
    But the UK has recognized the Vatican as a nation, which means diplomatic immunity applies to the Pope when it comes to the UK. There are a few ways around diplomatic immunity, which is where the "universal jurisdiction"/Pinochet thing comes in. If Dawkin's petition is successful, then Bennidict won't be able to claim diplomatic immunity in the UK or the International Criminal Court.

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    These are the things in society today that makes me mad that excommunication doesn't work anymore. I have always had a distaste to Pope Benedict XVI just on the fact that he had to succeed the future Saint John Paul II. I know that if this had even happened in John Paul II's papacy, he would use mea culpa to resolve many issues. Pope Benedict XVI has really done nothing for the world and I can probably see the Catholic World get a new pope in 5-10 years. Spiritual leaders in the world will have some diplomatic immunity regardless of the Vatican City's status as an independent nation because like the Dalai Lama, the Pope serves as the human subservient to God on Earth. In all practicalities, this man can be arrested for making a threat to a worldly figure. But unfortunately as a Catholic, I have felt a personal disappointment in a Pope that many have felt over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk7432 View Post
    These are the things in society today that makes me mad that excommunication doesn't work anymore. I have always had a distaste to Pope Benedict XVI just on the fact that he had to succeed the future Saint John Paul II. I know that if this had even happened in John Paul II's papacy, he would use mea culpa to resolve many issues. Pope Benedict XVI has really done nothing for the world and I can probably see the Catholic World get a new pope in 5-10 years. Spiritual leaders in the world will have some diplomatic immunity regardless of the Vatican City's status as an independent nation because like the Dalai Lama, the Pope serves as the human subservient to God on Earth. In all practicalities, this man can be arrested for making a threat to a worldly figure. But unfortunately as a Catholic, I have felt a personal disappointment in a Pope that many have felt over the years.
    But it DID happen during JP2's papacy. JP2 signed off on the doctrine that is getting Benny in so much trouble, and the sex abuse has been going on for decades. And the Pope is the only spiritual leader in the world that enjoys diplomatic immunity specifically because of the Vatican's status as an independent nation, it has nothing to do with being a spiritual leader.

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