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    I'm curious as to how many people on here support socialist, communist or marxist beliefs and why they support them. Personally i am in complete opposition to pretty much any and all socialist, communist and feminist ideas and concepts.

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    Socialism is a term that's hard to define. By American standards, most of Europe is socialist (public healthcare, welfare states, and all that). The political party I normally would support (if I could vote) is the labour party (not at the moment because they don't seem to realise there is a recession on). By some peoples definitions, that is socialist, and by others it isn't. Other peoples definitions of socialism is the far left, from what I've seen on forums.

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    Which aspects of feminism specifically?

    Personally... I think it's a great concept, but unfortunately humans aren't really capable of making it work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TygerLily View Post
    Which aspects of feminism specifically?

    Personally... I think it's a great concept, but unfortunately humans aren't really capable of making it work.
    The major point of feminism that i truly loathe is the fact that it has penetrated the legal system and that it seeks to elevate women to a position of importance above men. I think that equality between men and women is fine, but it must be exactly equal. It seems that feminism has made a mockery of the western worlds legal system, in that should man kill or hurt a woman in self defense he will face the harshest punishment available, while if a woman kills or hurts a man in self defense the courts will be extremely lenient in her punishment.
    I also hate the fact that while women are free to choose to work or to be housewife's they are also able to make extra demands for government benefits as a result of stress or pregnancy and so on.
    There are many other aspects of feminism that i hate but i can't really be bothered going into detail on them right now.

    Out of curiosity, why do you ask?

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    LilLillyKitten

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    I was merely curious... but yes, I agree that feminism has warped the legal system in the US. It took my uncle several years to finally gain custody of his kids, and their mother is a MONSTER.

    You also have to take into consideration that men are far more likely to perpetuate violence against women. (Plus, that isn't a consistent occurrence... women do get charged harshly.)

    Well, benefits are offered for pregnancy for a reason...

    You are talking about radical feminism; the original feminists were actually French and were a lot more rational than today's third wave feminazis.

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    On communism, I think it's a nice idea but we have seen that no human society is capable of making it work, and properly. If there was no corruption and evil in the world, and everyone in the country supported the government and always would do, it would have a chance of working but by definition communism has to be totalitarianist. There will always be angst in a large population, which is when population control and censorship will kick in.

    As others have said, socialism is very different depending on where you are. Euro-socialism I wholly support - I absolutely believe in the welfare state and believe everyone has the right to free at the point of delivery health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanksforallthefish View Post
    As others have said, socialism is very different depending on where you are. Euro-socialism I wholly support - I absolutely believe in the welfare state and believe everyone has the right to free at the point of delivery health care.
    Just a quick point - nothing is free about free health care. It still costs somebody something. Here in Norway, taxes are extremely high (in some cases over 50% of gross income, I pay about 37% on what would barely be considered a "living wage" here) and I would say the care is not what you would find in the States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by closet dl View Post
    Just a quick point - nothing is free about free health care. It still costs somebody something. Here in Norway, taxes are extremely high (in some cases over 50% of gross income, I pay about 37% on what would barely be considered a "living wage" here) and I would say the care is not what you would find in the States.
    The interesting thing is that us in the USA pay just about the same amount of taxes that you guys do, when you take state, local, sales, and all the other small taxes into consideration. Yet we seem to get much less out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by closet dl View Post
    Just a quick point - nothing is free about free health care. It still costs somebody something. Here in Norway, taxes are extremely high (in some cases over 50% of gross income, I pay about 37% on what would barely be considered a "living wage" here) and I would say the care is not what you would find in the States.
    I of course completely understand and realise that there is a cost, which is why I used the phrase free at the point of delivery.

    Compared to the USA, health care in the UK is much cheaper in terms of percentage spent as a percentage of GDP. The US spends 16% of its output on healthcare, whereas the UK spends just 8.4%. You rightly said taxes are higher, but on average and per person health care costs much less when profit isn't a drive, and a universal system with a greater purchasing power.

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    Neither Socialism nor Communism would ever work because people are corrupt, stupid, and greedy.

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