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Thread: Universalized Health Care

  1. #1
    FullMetal

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    I know this is a very democratic site, but I also know that we have extremely intelligent people with different views. This is mostly for Americans, the question is:

    Are you for or against Universalized Health Care in America and why or why not?

    For the Americans: Just give your thoughts on the subject. Why you think it is a good idea or why you believe it to be a bad idea.

    For not Americans: Do you have Universalized Health Care (Socialized Health Care) in your country? If so, do you like it/think it is working? If not (which I do not think there are any who don't) Do you like your system?

    My take on it:

    Correct me if I am wrong, but America is the only democratic country without Universalized Health Care? That is weird to me. I am all for Universalized Health Care in America. First of, yes, I am an American citizen, born and raised. Secondly, no, I do not want to dismantle America by turning it into a socialist country.

    I do believe, though, that if I am going to die, a hospital should not be allowed to refuse me because of my healthcare (or lack there of.) I think it is disgusting and inhumane.

    I also think it is awful how, if I have to spend ONE night in a hospital without insurance, I would have to pay like $10,000.

    Most people against Universalized Health Care always state that it is a socialist idea and if America does that...then we will become the next Soviet Union? That always makes me laugh...sorry. But I wonder how these people can say that when so many things in America are socialized:

    We have public schools- who teach kids....for free
    Libraries- who you get books...for free
    Firemen- save will save your life...for free
    Police- who will also fight crime for you...wait for it....for free!

    This is crazy...all of these socialized views and we still haven't turned into the second soviet union?!? Obama has to put a stop to those too before Stalin takes over!

    But really, if we have all of those things, and ...I love my free books and free schooling for however many years, why not healthcare, a BASIC human need?

    The thing is, let me give you an example:

    An average family with a husband and a wife and two kids don't have healthcare. The son gets extremely sick one night and has a fever of over 105. Taken to the hospital. Needs to stay there one night for the initial fever and another 2 for follow ups and tests. This could cost the family 10s of thousands of dollars. How are they supposed to pay that? It's just crazy.

    I just think it is a disgrace and really sad that a family can lose everything because one of the member gets sick...it's the human condition!

    Anyway, what do you think?

    FullMetal

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    Darkfinn

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    No more political threads, please! This is just going to turn into another liberal vs conservative mud-slinging match.

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    I am against it mainly for the fear it's another system that can and will be abused.

    Let's say if this sort of thing does happen. Someone might not pay into it yet still get treatment since they are on state welfare which again they aren't paying for either despite being well enough to work. It's just that he doesn't want to go out and get a job since the government is giving him free money to live off of (Yes, that is actually already happening). So here we are paying for this guy to live and get a 25,000 dollar operation and who foot's the bill?
    You me and everyone else doing the "right" thing.

    Also about the school system I don't know about other states but California's SUCKS for many,many,many different reasons. The only socialized part of government that is any good if at all is police and firemen. I am not saying they suck since they put their lives on the line all the time even while they are off duty. However there are some bullshit laws and wasteful spending in their own departments.

    (Edit: Darkfinn if you know how it's going to turn out and don't want any part of it I suggest just avoid topics like this if you don't want to see them personally.)

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    FullMetal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkfinn View Post
    No more political threads, please! This is just going to turn into another liberal vs conservative mud-slinging match.
    You do not need to reply or look at the thread if you do not want to, no one is forcing you.

    Arguments are a good thing, not a bad thing. Fighting, I can agree, is not good, but arguments are constructive and are a healthy way for people to express their views.

    Your comment is a little rude though, I hope you do not come onto others people' threads and say things like that.

    FullMetal

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    I support it. I support something anyway. The current healthcare system is total garbage. And I'm sorry, but a human life is more important than some 52 inch plasma TV. And if the money went to a national healthcare system instead of private insurance companies trying to screw people over, then it might actually be cheaper overall for most people. More people would be covered and it wouldn't be so expensive. Give them the option to keep their own insurance if they really want it though, maybe... unless too many people do that and it hurts the system.

    Fire2box: A human being is a human being. I don't think someone deserves to die or suffer with an illness just because he doesn't have a rich family or a job. And guess what? If he/she is sick, then that person isn't able to work anyway.

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    aj1983

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    I think there's a right way to do Universal Health Care (like in France, Netherlands, etc) and a wrong way to do Universal Health Care (Canada). If the US does decide to go for universal health care go the european way.

    Personally I believe health care should be a human right...but im a left-winger, i think shelter, food, water, education, etc should all be in the bill of rights too :punk:
    Last edited by aj1983; 17-May-2009 at 22:52. Reason: typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShippoFox View Post
    Fire2box: A human being is a human being. I don't think someone deserves to die or suffer with an illness just because he doesn't have a rich family or a job. And guess what? If he/she is sick, then that person isn't able to work anyway.
    I would not stand there and watch someone die regardless of it cost's me money or not to save them. I do have mercy as any decent human should in today's age. However I don't want to make another system that is just going to be ripped off and hemorrhage money which comes from everyone that's hard working. Then they can't afford quality of life since they are being taxed for anything and everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShippoFox View Post
    The current healthcare system is total garbage.
    Nah... It's great. I can go to the doctor anytime I want for $10, any prescription is $5, and if I get seriously hurt, an ER visit is $50. I have access to the best doctors and specialists whenever I need them.

    Oh wait... You mean for the people that don't want to work for a job that supplies excellent healthcare (like McDonalds... Guess what? They're hiring).

    1. The people that can't get healthcare are the exception to the norm, and if the existing Medicare system was reformed (and kicked out all the lazy deadbeats feeding off the system), they would be able to handle those that truly can't work, or afford private insurance on ther own.

    2. The US government is the most inefficient "business" in the country. What makes anyone think that they could run a healthcare system better than any private entity?

    A perfect example of my point is an unnamed member here... He has been out in the working world for 7-8 years, and never aspired to get a job that offered him healthcare. All of a sudden he gets sick, and it's "America owes me a favor", because he didn't have the hindsight to prepare for such an incident. He didn't even have the motivation to research how to get government assistance to pay the med bills, but rather would like a handout.

    That crap irks me.

    There is no reason any able bodied person can't get a job with medical benefits. As long as you can read and write, and put forth some effort, it is entirely possible. Even in this economy. It might not be a dream job, but it will save your ass if you get sick down the road.

    As an American taxpayer that busts my ass to have a good job with excellent medical benefits, and a halfway decent standard of living, it really chaps my ass when more of my pay is ripped from my wallet to pay for others' laziness.

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    I just wrote a paper about the health care in canada... this morning.

    Didja know that canadians live 3 years longer, and has a 20% lower infant mortality rate.

    I think that universalized health care is key to a country, and it needs to be implemented in the US, too. It's not like people are going to get *less* care. It's just that those that don't have it will be able to have access to doctors, tests, etc...

    I think it's disgusting that people are turned away at the hospital door if they are sick just because they don't have insurance. Frankly, I'm disgusted that your president (past ones) hasn't put in place a better health care system yet.



    As an American taxpayer that busts my ass to have a good job with excellent medical benefits, and a halfway decent standard of living, it really chaps my ass when more of my pay is ripped from my wallet to pay for others' laziness.
    Really now? That's extremely closed minded to think that anyone who doesn't have medical benifits is lazy. Sure, there are always going to be people who cheat the system. But - is it really fair to punish a child because their parent is lazy? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a child cannot go to a hospital if there parent doesn't have medical insurance for them. That's horrible, considering you cannot ask a child to go work so they can see a doctor, or a dentist.

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    Aren't the insurance companies already screwing us over? It sure seems that way. Taxes wouldn't matter. People would be paying less overall because they wouldn't be ripped off by insurance companies. So there are already way too many critical problems with the current system.



    Quote Originally Posted by NEJay View Post
    1. The people that can't get healthcare are the exception to the norm
    Your argument became invalid right there. There are TONS of people who don't have healthcare. They can't all just go work at the same place. You make things seem so much easier than they really are.

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