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Has anyone seen the Turd Burglar in Netflix yet? There is a section on an adult baby!!
tiny said:OMG! How on earth does a term like that get used on TV in such a random context?
It seems a bit gratuitously homophobic. :-/
Trevor said:It was the nom de crime of the antagonist in the second season of American Vandal. The crimes were scatalogical, so it fit.
tiny said:The character stole people's turds? :-o Okay, but... that doesn't stop the term being offensively homophobic.
If Americans considered liver meatballs a national dish, the film American Pie could have been called Fucking Faggots.
It seems a bit disingenuous for the producers to go out of their way to use a homophobic slur and then hide behind the fact that they don't mean it in a homophobic way. :dunno:
SpAzpieSweeTot said:Okay, I don't understand. Homophobic straight people must have really weird senses of humor, or be really, really stupid. I vote stupid. What does being gay have to do with turd burgling? Seriously? Do they visualize some obscure fishing game? Even if so, why? Imagining obscure fishing takes time, and why would supposedly straight people do that?
SpAzpieSweeTot said:Back on topic, I do think context matters. If they didn't mean it that way, then, in this case, turd burgaler doesn't mean anything mean.
SpAzpieSweeTot said:Here's why I say context matters. One day, my economics professor did me a really big favor. I said if he ever needed anything, and named off a few things, one of them, was bail money. The professor in question was black. Cue white guilt wave. So, what made me think of it in the first place, if I'm racist? My mom had just gone to jail herself, her red-haired, fair skinned, dead ringer for Molly Weasley self.
Trevor said:Within content of the mockumentary, it makes sense. The perpetrator wants to be offensive to victims.
tiny said:[snipped]I'll have to see if I can watch it somehow. Is homophobia a main theme? That would make more sense, I guess.
tiny said:Fishing...?! Whaaaat?! Ha ha! Now I'm really wondering what you're thinking! You must have a mind dirtier than mine!
Burglary in the sexual sense is "entering without permission", i.e. rape. Turd burglary is anal rape.
The term "turd burglar" specifically refers to gay men. The idea being that gay people are sexually degenerate, incapable of forming stable relationships, and would rape anyone given half a chance. "Backs against the wall" and all that.
Sure, context matters. But you don't use a term like "turd burglar" without knowing exactly what it means. And why make a cheap pun over an outdated perception that all gay men are rapists?
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Pfft. You can't beat yourself up over stuff like that. We're all prejudiced -- it's human nature. (And what you said wasn't a result of prejudice anyway). But everyone subconsciously judges people, on behaviour, accent, similarity to themselves, and many other things. So long as you reflect on your instincts and engage your brain, it's possible to say something that might generally be deemed offensive, without causing offence.
My dad referred to black people as "coloured". I cringed when I heard him say it, but he found the word "black" too direct. It didn't bother anyone else -- everything he said and did made it clear that he wasn't racist.
But, the word "coloured" (in the UK at least) just seems outdated. It doesn't come close to the offensiveness of the term "turd burglar".
I'll have to see if I can watch it somehow. Is homophobia a main theme? That would make more sense, I guess.
SpAzpieSweeTot said:If it still hurts you, just think of how much time thinking of stupid, homophobic slurs, takes out of homophobes' days.
SpAzpieSweeTot said:Oh, oh, my. Well, how painful for you, and stupid of them.
SpAzpieSweeTot said:Ouch. I'm sorry. I know this might be hard to believe, but, I really didn't know. Gosh, when I was 12, that was school yard insult material, and that's all I knew.
Trevor said:The mockumentaries are to solve a crime or series of crimes per season at a given high school. Season 2 is not focused on homophobia. I think the intent is to find a name that would be something audacious and offensive that someone young would pick as a name for scatalogical crimes. I suppose for some resonance, they could have used "Mr. Hanky" instead (he is referenced) but he's from 1997 and perhaps not as enduring and topical.
tiny said:It doesn't hurt me! There's nothing painful about having a discussion about the use of language. I just feel bad that gay people have to put up with such ridiculousness. If I were gay, seeing a major TV company propagate a bigoted view of gay people would probably make me feel like a bit of an attack.
Ha ha! To be honest, with the whole "fishing" thing... it's really not that hard to believe you didn't know the meaning of the phrase! :laugh: And don't apologise -- no need for that!
But... Mr. Hanky isn't a bigoted slur intended to cause offence.
Funnily enough, it was the first episode of South Park my dad ever saw, and he was laughing so hard he was crying! Some people might find it funny, some might find it puerile and tedious. But no one's going to be personally offended by it.
NovaDL said:It's not strictly homophobic. It's also a term used for someone who walks in on you when you're using the bathroom.
Springcircle said:Honestly, that phrase is so ridiculous that it's plain silly to treat it as being offensive.
Springcircle said:There's obviously no offense meant in this context either, so why go out of your way to take offense?
Maybe that's part of the issue. It's still mean and angry, but, no where near as bad here.tiny said:I'm starting to think that "turd burglar" is English slang, as I get the impression that Americans aren't really aware of its meaning. :dunno:
SpAzpieSweeTot said:Maybe that's part of the issue. It's still mean and angry, but, no where near as bad here.
SpAzpieSweeTot said:Here, "duh," is pretty much used in place of, "obviously," but, when I said it to my bubbles, he thought I was calling him stupid. Americans usually have to say effing in front of it, to make it really mean. Maybe this is like that.
SpAzpieSweeTot said:A note to Americans, "spunk," isn't liveliness in British, it's a thee letter word. "Fanny," isn't bottom, it's. . . Further forward, and female.
extremecomfy said:Can anyone tell me why Honky Tonks exist but if I call my boss a honky I am fired.