Non-DL Friend Says Disposables are Wasteful

Slomo said:

These claims are way off, and only look at half the problem. So what if some soap residue is left on your skin or clothes. That isn't going to affect the environment anywhere near as using more soap and rinsing it off better. What will affect the environment is using up all the fresh water around us. I'd be less concerned about soap residue, and more concerned about our rapidly dwindling underground water reservoir under the west coast (which is affected the most by crop irrigation, and is also running out faster than can be replenished).

And no, hybrids do not cost more in the long run. Once about 10-20 years ago it was nearly a wash. The added cost to manufacturer a hybrid was equally offset by gas costs saved- except added cost has never hurt the environment like burning gas does, so mire fuel efficient has always been better for environmental conservation even if it hasn't been for your wallet. Hybrids have also come a long way to costing less too. My 2016 Rav4 hybrid cost me $30k. Similar suvs cost about $20-25k. Oh, and I save about $25 per week in gas- that's per week. In 10 years that will be a $13k savings. Well below the total cost I'd pay for a non hybrid. AND since I'm burning half the fuel I used to in my old Jeep, I'm doing my conservation part by a lot- while also saving money.

As for the burning of diapers and trash. Show me what power company uses trash to power a turbine, heck most don't even want to use coal anymore due to the dwindling supply and higher cost. Can and do are two different things too, so can means nothing one way or the either if you don't do it anyways.

And wow, your "never run out of oil" claim is WAY off. This is well reported, and we are using it up so much faster than it can be regenerated. Even oil experts agree the age of "easy oil" has been over for decades. We've had to develop fracking and deep ocean drilling just to get at the more difficult to get oil. And guess what, there isn't an expert alive who doesn't agree syria, iraq, and other oil nations absolutely are running out.

Please stop spitting out your claims like they are the truth. You misinformation is not wanted, nkr does it help anyone. Do a little research before you make a clain, and when necessary or asked for then make sure to include those citations. (Of which we are asking for now).

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Crinklebutt said:

those are quite some claims, care to back any of them up with sources, and "do your own research" is NOT a source. YOU make the claims, YOU back them up

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xpluswearer said:

https://www.uschamber.com/sites/default/files/legacy/reports/top10myths.pdf
https://www.thespruce.com/high-efficiency-washer-versus-traditional-washer-1908401
https://healthfully.com/125037-problems-watersaving-toilets.html
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...tric-cars-that-nobody-talks-about-112221.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecl...ch-oil-does-the-world-have-left/#246fec445b1f
Thing is the USA is the number 1 producer of oil now we have left the mideast in the dust so we can now tell OPEC to pound sand and we can set the oil price at fire sale prices to lower gas and oil products prices..
I will cite Wikipedia only if I know that the information therein is accurate and not tampered with since anyone can skew the citation to fit a agenda that I am not in agreement with .
Maryland uses trash to electric power plants and if you do not think that those smokestacks do not have scrubbers on them your mistaken.

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Well sorry I do not subscribe to the modern spoon fed society so I say DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH You have to do the work that I all ready put in why should you benefit from the fruits on MY LABOR! Unless you are willing to pay for it?
Furthermore this is not a class in a school FYI.

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Slomo said:

Lol, not a single one of those links supports your earlier claims, or refutes my counter points. This wasn't even as effective as a bad attempt, it's just sad really.

You also seem to be getting confused the difference between good for your wallet versus good for the environment. They are not the same thing, not even close.

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Ps. That whole "do your own research" comeback is exactly what both of have already been saying to you. It makes you sound childish and uninformed when you are effectively saying bounces off of me and sticks to you. Though who knows, around here that's exactly the image some people are going for.

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xpluswearer said:

CHILDISH REALLY!!!! Sorry I will not do YOUR WORK for YOU! Time for the youth to pull their weight around here like we have had to do earn your stripes. You like others in the internet universe have become lazy by demanding what you are demanding me to give you I weep for the future of this country and the world!!!!

Oh yes they refute exactly what you are saying. Yes it supports what I am saying did you even read them????? Let me guess you wanted wiki citations that only will support your claim lest you know that any fool can rewrite wikipedia to support their claims. For one the oil claim was fully backed up with that citation also with the toilets too and mind you the so called enviromentally friendly hybrid cars.
Oh did you even read the one on the HE washers on how they create health hazards due to the designs and how they actually use more energy than standard washers. let alone the time wasted. Guess you have a hour to wait for a load of clothes to come out of the washer I DONT! I am not going to sit around the fricken house all dang day just to satisfy some friciken tree hugger!
Oh guess you have not noticed that since P & G has taken out the good cleaners from Tide that your clothes have not gotten as clean as they once did huh?
Oh here is a gem you are so concerned about the your health those tree hugging light bulbs have to be disposed of in hazardous waste betcha did not know that did you huh? some green living huh hope you like flaking light bulbs and numerous other toxins. that a standard light bulb will never have.

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Slomo said:

That's so cute. I'm flattered you think I'm still young. And no those links don't refute a thing about what's good or bad for the environment. Only the pocket book and monetary cost, how clean your clothes feel (which actually is better for the environment since we use less soap overally) the piping in your house (which will cost you to fix it but still means less water used and is still better for the environment overall), and electric vehicles (which are still not even hybrids, and talks about the money cost not being worth it while ignoring it's still less gas burned which is still better for the environment).

Oh, and the light bulbs thing. I'm an electrical design engineer. I probably know more about led bulbs than you could ever possible learn. Yes they absolutely do have toxic materials in them. Small quantities, but they add up to be bad for sure. They're "supposed" to be better for the environment overall since they use a tenth of the wattage as an incandescent bulb does. However, that is also only realized when you get a bulb that will last between 50,000 and 100,000 hours of use. That cheap China crap bulbs everyone gets don't last even 5,000 hours- if that. So if you want to be environmentally friendy with those led bulbs, then buy american. Or is what's bad for your wallet somehow also bad for the environment?

Again, not a one of those links refutes the benefits to the environment- regardless of any possible impact to how you personally feel. And again, you keep getting that confused with the actual environment impact versus monetary impact. Going green has almost always cost more green, or did you not ever realise that? Keep trying though, RELAVENT citations still needed.

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xpluswearer said:

Do you want to pay my plumber bills because you want a toilet that flushes a cup of water! because the crap does not go down into the septic tank? How about the appliance repair guy to take the mold out of the front load washer innards and the soap it does not dispense or drain out all the water correctly also.

Those Electric cars you talk about uh okay when you plug that thing in to recharge it that power plant spews far more into the environment than a gas powered car so its a loose loose! Oh since as you claim you use less gas how contrare when state of Michigan ensure it gets its money by ensuring the insurance companies and the secretary of state DMV/RMV collects its hybrid/ electric car surcharge penalties to offset the gas so tell me again why would a person go with a hybrid or electric car huh?
Oh when you get into a wreck with that hybrid car they need to be handled separately than standard autos and scrap. due to the gadgetry and that toilet sized batteries and e waste they produce is far more costly and burdensome and uses more gas than a standard auto to reclaim the resources of that hybrid electric car and then again have huge amounts of e waste. How do I know this I am the grandson of a scrapper and know ALOT about the scrap business.

Electrical design engineer uh okay. Then you know that you MUST call HAZ MAT to dispose of those properly. Odd That I know this from uh what working at the largest Home Improvement warehouse store in the world HOME DEPOT! We must put those bulbs into the haz mat light bulb disposal boxes plus its required to call 3E the haz mat disposal company too if the tree huggers were to ever find a lightbulb in a dumpster in back all hell will break loose with the feds and the tree huggers. Do not think I am right go to your local Home Depot and if the employees there are worth their orange apron they dang well better tell you the EXACT thing I have told you. Now if it was a standard lightblub it can be disposed in a normal trash can. Furthermore if you took the time to read the bulb there is also a 800 number to call and they will send you a haz mat disposal kit to send the bulb back to a contractor of the manufacturer for disposal. So who knows what now huh?

While you are at it call a pulmonary specialist and they will tell you that those new bulbs are a pulmonary hazard and again if they are worth the white coat they were given they would tell you the exact thing I am telling you here. So how are they good for the envrionment now huh?

I also say talk to a oil industry expert and Geologist and they will tell you that oil like gold and silver we have really just scratched the surface as there are wide and vast tracks of lands and seabeds that have yet to be touched for drilling and so I truly hope you are not buying into the nonsense of we have gobbled it all up. Its all a farce to allow socialist buffoons to keep the oil for themselves. You do know its the progressive globalist elites plan all the long to keep the resources for themselves and the rest of us pee-ons will die from this nonsense! Why do you think that power companies have switched to Natural Gas and progressives have mandated the use of corn to be used as fuel ingredient while raising the cost of corn and other food products for what now huh? population control!
When you know coal is endless in supply. Folks in West Virginia and other coal states would rather dig for coal than make computer parts. Just as Upper Peninsula of Michigan folks would rather dig for copper and iron ore and chop down those trees you hug! than make solar panels or Toyota's! Being surrounded by fresh water I am not nor will I ever worry about loosing water so as far as the left coast folks they have themselves to blame by not installing desalination plants on the Pacific coastline to get water from the pacific. Clue is stop trying to build homes in a fricken desert and try to have grass!

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Slomo said:

OMG. Once again you keep focusing on whether or not your own personal expenses are good or bad somehow translates to if it is good for the environment or not. You really just don't get it.

The same with owning a hydbrid. You just don't even have a clue. Let me enlighten you just a little. They don't plug in to anything, duh. Electric cars plug in, we're talking about hybrids. As in they have a hybrid gasoline and electric system, often with a rather small battery that's designed to suppliment a small engine that uses less gas, all while still having the same performance. And fyi, my full insurance is less with this suv than I had with my jeep suv. But once again, that difference in cost doesn't matter because we are talking about what's good for the environment, not about financial costs- of which I have already agreed can be higher when going green (though as I've shown three times now is personally the case for me)

And no sealed system is a immediate danger. And the solid metals used to make leds are safer than the fluorescent lights at your work- especially when they break. Where are you even getting all this from anyways, because you have been grosely misinformed? You'd be more at risk changing a dirty diaper than you'd have changing an led light bulb.

And why are you even going on about how much oil, water, or other resources are left? It's indisputable we are using it all up faster than it can be naturally replaced. How can you even believe using it all up faster is somehow better than environmental conservation is just plain silly. Sure it will make us more wealthy, but it still ruins the planet just that much more faster. Thinking like this is more wastefull than using adult diapers could ever be, and you should feel ashamed for it.

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xpluswearer said:

Personal costs? tell me how a backed up toilet and drain pipes that are clogged not a environmental danger? since your water sipping appliances cannot muster the gumption to flush my crap and the toilet paper that some wacko Clark Howard claims that is perfect for septic systems yet you have to use double in order not to give yourself a prostate exam or a perforated digestive tract because of inferior toilet paper Do not know about you I am not going to injure myself due to environmental friendly toilet paper. or having to buy more and more appliances due to bad designs to save a cup of water!

Indisputable we are using it up fast? again not even the best Geologist in the world has a fricken clue on what we have left. Oddly that the US federal government has all but closed off everything West of the Mississippi River to exploration and mining just look at state of Utah its all but blocked from new mining or exploration due to the land being owned by us taxpayers via the Federal Government. Nevada is another example. The Bush family owns a good swath of Texas via shell companies California is all but closed due to tree huggers. Arizona & New Mexico well between Government research lands and property that is guarded by armed military contractors and the Mexican invasion rendering swaths of land too dangerous to do prospecting let alone set up a mining operation. Let alone Alaska having gold that rivals the Canadian Yukon range.
Look at Greenland where metals & gems are yet to be discovered yet Geologists have said Greenland has massive amounts of unearthed gems and metals and minerals. Wonders what is in Siberia in Russia and in the sandbox of Africa and the middle east that has not been discovered. How deep can we go with machinery? again we are scratching the surface. If we believed that one car would end this planet again look at Hiroshima & Nagasaki and Fukishimia in Japan and Chernobyl in Russia uh oh the earth is still here aint it? Three Mile Island did not wipe out the US did it uh no. Or the Tennessee Valley incident uh no. Gee. I will never be ashamed for a thing in regards to using adult diapers.. Conservation on other things have caused a imbalance in the cycle of life food chain so there ya go. Drill baby drill!

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Slomo said:

Again with your own person plumbing problem and the associate cost? Again with how you personally feel after using too much soap in a shower? And again with financial impacts? Wow you just love to dig in when you have already been proven way off base and simply cannot find any proof of your own to back up how you feel. You also need a few serious lessons about ecology and environment pollution too. Here, these are just the first few google hits to get you started.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/environmental-pollution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution
https://www.encyclopedia.com/earth-...nvironmental-studies/environmental-toxicology
https://www.quora.com/What-is-environmental-pollution-and-its-causes

Your broken pipe is not anywhere enough to cause adverse effects to the overall ecology of the planet. And have you even once stopped to consider this isn't happening to everyone else? More likely than not, your sewage pipes simply do not have the correct slope to them because they were installed wrong. A properly designed system can and will drain a drop of toothpaste, and a massive dump all the same. though, yet, once again.... Your own personal costs and how you feel about getting cleaned has nothing to do with conservation, environmental pollution, or wastefulness in general. Where's the direct link to keep this thread on track?

Here, One simple analogy for you would be; your failing to maintain just one tree, or unwillingness to pay to replace or fix that one tree, does not mean the entire forest has already been wiped out. But keep cutting down a tree, and encourage everyone else to cut one down too will mean the forest will be wiped out before long. Enough said, mic dropped, class is out of session, and I have no further need to keep saying what I've already said. Come back when you actually have some proof to back up your claims. Remember how we keep asking for citations too? You still have yet to give us a single one that backs you up.

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