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    Looking at some hateful comments on a lot of Facebook pages whenever a news story mentions Transgender Identity 90% of the comments seem to bash it, let me get this straight.

    Transgender Identity is completely normal and a part of humanity, what makes me say this? Go have a look at intersex people, biologically there physical sex, hormones and sexual organs is somewhat unique, some people are born males with female organs or develop female organs later on it life.

    Now lets think about it like this, since people can be born with differences in sexual organs compared to there biological sex, than why can't logically people be born the wrong gender?

    Scientifically people with identities that don't match there biological sex tend to have brain structures of those who are cis-gender.

    Most transgender people have always felt there gender, they didn't wake up one day, which makes me think that you're born that way and is somehow related to intersex disorders.

    Example with me I'm transgender, I've never felt correct in this body, I've always had feminine characteristics about me that others lacked, and I've always was loving and sensitive while depression has kind of made me lose my love for society it is still there hidden away for those who deserve it.

    It's most likely a evolutionary trait that was passed down from generation to generation, you have many animals that change there sex and you have many different animals that are in fact hermaphrodites.

    You have gay animals, straight animals, bisexual animals, you have animals born with both organs, etc. Just like sexuality, transgender identity is just as natural.

    It also isn't a mental illness, at a point in the early 70s or 80s homosexuality was seen as a mental illness, but with more research these things change, If you cherry pick your information and use a 30 year old study that contradicts modern studies you're a moron, sorry but yeah.

    If a new study comes along and disproves the old study you don't than use that old study as a way to suit your bigotry.

    Sorry I had to write this, I've got a jackass in my life making my life even harder by making it seem like transsexual is some kind of joke and fad and giving all trans people bad names.

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    The Washington Post had a big article yesterday on intersex individuals. There's a very good book whose author won a Pulitzer prize, the book titled "The Middle Sex". There's actually a lot of funny moments in the book as well as some very frank discussions on what it is to be born with both sex organs.

    As for Facebook and other media sites, they provide a megaphone for all the assholes in the world, people who have so little to offer that they have to bash others so that they can feel important. The best thing to do to such people is to ignore them, because then their only audience is other people like themselves.

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    There are a few different definitions of "normal" out there in the world, but most people seem to subscribe to an intuitive, probabilistic one--that "normal" refers to a majority trait, or one of a small number of cardinal manifestations of a trait. You might label transgender, homosexuality, ABDL, and other such things as "normal" because they're (probably) inevitable consequences of our social and sexual complexities, but the definition of "normal" that you end up with is all-encompassing and meaningless. In the end, it won't sooth your soul. Plus, I'm not generally a big fan of munging definitions just to placate one's inner demons. Try, instead, to think about things a different way: A person is not "normal." Each of us is ABDL and a bazillion other things. Most of those things fit the broadly accepted definition of "normal." Some, like an affinity for diapers, do not. The do-nots aren't inherently bad or good. Ultimately, they're what we make of them.

    Doubtless, when it comes to the Hand of Life, a gender identity difference is a tricky card to play. And the game rules, although somewhat fluid, evolve with painful slowness. Most of the time, your choices will be: Hold that card forever and get pissed at the Dealer, the other players, and the seemingly unfavorable rules; OR, boldly lay it down and move on. It's not fair, I know, but it never will be. Better to be bold and unapologetic than chronically pissed. Your life is worth more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleJess View Post
    Looking at some hateful comments on a lot of Facebook pages whenever a news story mentions Transgender Identity 90% of the comments seem to bash it...
    Don't forget that 99.9% of the population don't visit these pages, and 95% of those who do don't comment. The only people who feel passionate enough to comment are an unrepresentative mix of "genuinely" interested people and trolls.

    And, online, trolls are a two a penny. Or a dime a dozen. I'm not sure of the Aussie exchange rate, but I'm guessing they're pretty cheap over there too. Trolls are everywhere online.

    Transgenderism is a "specialist subject" that is relevant to a niche audience. Trolling isn't. A troll who mocks one thing will get just as much of a thrill out of mocking anything else they don't identify with. So you get an audience of a (relatively) small number of genuine niche visitors, and a million trolls ready to start a fight.

    But they're not everywhere in the real world. Okay, there's a lot of them still, but the anonymous internet gives every idiot a voice. And these troll f***ers are loud. They dedicate hours to being nasty to people they've never met. They don't even care what the reason is -- they don't actually think about it. Just... any argument that makes them feel superior gives them that pathetic fix of endorphins that makes them forget what a loser they are.

    There are lots of people like this, and social media acts as a magnet for them. It's not worth engaging in debate with them... that's what they want. And it doesn't make a difference anyway -- they're nobodies. If you have a message, it ain't worth shouting it at a random f***wit troll.

    I truly hope that you find that real people in the big-wide-world as a whole are typically nice people who don't really care about how you want to live your life. Even online there are nice people (like all the good people on ADISC).

    For your own sanity it's so much better to spend your time in the company of like-minded people. There will always be haters. But you can choose not to engage with them. You can choose to see them as the annoying wasps on a summer's day that they are. Just give 'em a swat and move away. Don't forget how important your own peace and happiness is. Don't forget that you can't change the whole world. (And if you do want to change just a little bit of the world, dealing with these trivialities on social media is a distraction to that goal. There are ways in which you can make your voice more powerful and focussed, if that's what you're looking for.)

    If social media is stressing you out, then... maybe it would be a good idea to try to avoid the kind of hateful comments that you've come across. Or maybe you could try to stop reading and skip to then next comment if you read something unpleasant. Or try to get your head into the kind of person who writes this vitriolic crap and realise that... instead of being angry and upset... you can pity them: for the hate they hold inside, for their inferiority complex that inspires them to hurl abuse at others to make themselves feel better, yet only when they are safe and anonymous, because they are scared, weak, vulnerable, and impotent in real life.

    I dunno, just... remember to make sure that you take ownership of your locus of evaluation! Don't let anyone else tell you what's right or wrong, and don't take other people's judgements to heart. Especially when they're idiots and you're better than them anyway.

    TL;DR: Don't let the buggers grind you down!

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    It' so pointless to talk about what's "normal" and what's not. You can define normal in a statistical way (what the majority of people do is okay) or in a moral way (what should be considered okay). Mostly we see a mix of it. Most people speed but it's not "normal" in an "okay" sense.
    People with gender stuff going on aren't normal in a statistical way..but in a moral way totally fine.

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    I would *never* take to Facebook about my transgenderness. It's way too public a forum for that. And if you haven't been through your privacy settings, I highly recommend you do, because you'll find your posts are public otherwise. Then you'll get trolls and bigots and homophobes knocking on your virtual door to make your life a misery.

    I would also highly recommend you start a new persona on all your social media, now you've transitioned. And keep the fact you're transitioning out of social media, because people (generally) don't want to know.

    As I've said elsewhere, transgender people just want to live - just about all the transgender people I know are "invisible" in society. They don't make a scene of it, or wear a badge (gee, I find it bloody impossible to wear the rainbow "Yes" badge I bought at work, even though there's a _huge_ LGBTI love fest going on at my work (which is awesome, but I want no part of it)) proclaiming they're T*. I've seen a few on the train, and all have quietly looked at each other and done the usual quiet womanly half smile of recognition, then we don't acknowledge each other again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozziebee View Post
    I would *never* take to Facebook about my transgenderness. It's way too public a forum for that. And if you haven't been through your privacy settings, I highly recommend you do, because you'll find your posts are public otherwise. Then you'll get trolls and bigots and homophobes knocking on your virtual door to make your life a misery.
    Mmmm. Yeah, if your Facebook posts are consistently unleashing shit-storms, you're probably being promiscuous with your friending habits and privacy settings. I have a hard time being sympathetic when people talk about being trolled on Facebook. None of us here are in grade-school anymore. The things we discuss online aren't usually at risk of becoming hallway gossip. If the responses you get online aren't what you want, consider reducing the scope of your broadcasts to actual friends, not just incidental acquaintances you might have picked up to pad your friend count. That's the glory of Facebook; you get to choose. (That's also the glory of LinkedIn, because now, when your coworkers send you friend requests on Facebook, you can say, "Nope. Try again over there.")

    I would think that Facebook, if you've set yourself up correctly, would actually be a great place for a coming-out. Finding yourself with an actual LGBT friend is a perspective-changing thing. Acceptance for these sorts of differences doesn't come from debating hypothetical scenarios, it comes from being touched by the Real Thing. If you make an important and deeply personal announcement on Facebook and get blow-back from somebody, just unfriend that person and skip happily on your way. I know that's easier said than done, but it shouldn't be hard. Life's truly too short to allow oneself to be constantly baited and tormented by mean people.

    There's an old Lincoln quote that goes like, "If you go looking for the bad in mankind, expecting to find it, you surely will." That's in full effect here--and really everywhere, on every scale. Look out into the universe and you'll find black holes swallowing up entire galaxies. Whoa! Scary. But then you can zoom back out and realize we're in no danger--from that black hole, anyway. The internet is kind of like that, too. You can peer out into its vast depths and see all kinds of nasty, scary stuff. But you can also zoom out, or choose to look at happier things. For God's sake, just...do that.

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    I don't know that anyone in this world is truly 'normal,' since it is such a subjective term. As a gay person myself, I've always maintained that being gay is not abnormal, it is simply less common in the general population, in pretty much the same way that I am also left-handed.



    As an older gay person who lived through the gay rights movement in Canada, I have said many times that the gay rights movement was 25 years behind the feminist movement, and that the transgender movement is 25 years behind the gay rights movement.

    Decades ago, we experienced homophobia, discrimination in the workforce and housing, and a high risk of violence. We were called deviants, perverts, pedophiles, immoral, and sick. We heard the same vitriol then that is being thrown at transgender people today, that it is a 'mental health problem' or confusion over their sexual identity.

    Similarly to the way transgender people are being treated today, there was a time when gays and lesbians were barred from the military and there were proposed laws to keep us out of public washrooms. Although LGB issues are completely different from being a transgender person, the pattern of hatred, the proposed laws, the misinformation and ignorance of political parties trying to capitalize on votes by denying rights to others, religious propoganda, hate groups, all of them rear their ugly heads to attack a minority, because it gives them a sense of power and fuels their own hatred.

    We've come a long way, baby, but not far enough.

    Here in Canada, same sex marriages were legalized a dozen years ago, and for several decades we have had human rights laws protecting us from discrimination in employment, housing and services. After Trump's recent plans to ban transgenders from participating in the US army, our military Chief of Defense proclaimed that transgenders added value to the military army and in no way detracted from its work. Transgender people were added to full human rights laws and protections. There's still work to do, but our society has managed to move forward together.

    It just seems that some people need to have someone to target and vilify in our society: angry people who need an outlet for their hate. What transgender people experience today often feels like a 'rewind' of the battles the gay and lesbian community had already fought. It will pass. Among our recent advancement is the fact that even the most conservative political parties have finall given up opposing same-sex marriages, recognizing it's a wasted effort that appeals only to their small core base and won't get them elected. The unfortunate result however is that they still need to find another target, and now it is the transgender community which has come under their wrath.

    Having walked this path, I know that transgender activism will win, and probably at a more accelerated rate, since so much groundwork and precedent has already been set by similar previous battles.

    This is a battle that will be won through education, activism, dialogue, courts, courage, joy and tears, and changing hearts and minds.

    In the meantime, you're best to find support and solace with the people who care for you and accept you for who you are. Surround yourself with positivity and focus on the future and all the wonderful transitions it may bring. If you are feeling alone in the struggle, Australia has a number of non-profit agencies for the LGBTQ population. They can support, advocate and provide a sense of family and belonging.

    https://www.beyondblue.org.au/who-do...BoCJRYQAvD_BwE


    One of the things I've found in time is tthat there is nothing that could be more effective in changing a hater's point of view than when someone close to them comes out of the closet. It's easy to hate a stereotype or an imagined perception of how an LGBT person looks or behaves, but when they discover it can be a family member, a friend or a co-worker, it puts a face on the object of their hatred. I've met so many parents and siblings in my time who never cared about gay and lesbian issues or responded negatively to them, however when a family member opened up by coming out to them, it forced them to think abour how narrow-minded they had been.

    We are all in this together.
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