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The sides have always been weak on them, and they would rip, you might be able to wear them for 30 minutes or so, but it probably wouldn't be worthwhile at that point. The sides even rip when children that they made the product for wear them if you read the actual reviews, so someone much larger would be a bad idea.

I dont know why they have not fixed this major problem yet. Also why isn't their larger size isn't as big as GoodNites? I wish that I could go over there and get them to fix this problem. Not for ABDL's, but for parents and their kids. :sad::frown:

12srepaid said:

Also why isn't their larger size isn't as big as GoodNites?

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Fairly simple actually, Goodnites are made to fit up size 14 while Underjams are only made to fit up to size 12. In other words Underjams is only choosing to make their product for children up to size 12, while Goodnites chooses to make their product for up to size 14. Kimberly Clark and Proctor and Gamble do not want to make them any larger because then they would be competing with their size small adult product which wouldn't be a wise business decision.

okmis said:

Fairly simple actually, Goodnites are made to fit up size 14 while Underjams are only made to fit up to size 12. In other words Underjams is only choosing to make their product for children up to size 12, while Goodnites chooses to make their product for up to size 14. Kimberly Clark and Proctor and Gamble do not want to make them any larger because then they would be competing with their size small adult product which wouldn't be a wise business decision.

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I know that, but it still doesn't make sense why UnderJams are smaller than GoodNites. UnderJams should be more competitive with GoodNites.

okmis said:

Fairly simple actually, Goodnites are made to fit up size 14 while Underjams are only made to fit up to size 12. In other words Underjams is only choosing to make their product for children up to size 12, while Goodnites chooses to make their product for up to size 14. Kimberly Clark and Proctor and Gamble do not want to make them any larger because then they would be competing with their size small adult product which wouldn't be a wise business decision.

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Except there's already tremendous overlap on the lower end between Goodnites and Pull-Ups, and to a certain extent, Huggies.

okmis said:

Fairly simple actually, Goodnites are made to fit up size 14 while Underjams are only made to fit up to size 12. In other words Underjams is only choosing to make their product for children up to size 12, while Goodnites chooses to make their product for up to size 14. Kimberly Clark and Proctor and Gamble do not want to make them any larger because then they would be competing with their size small adult product which wouldn't be a wise business decision.

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100% right here, they have crappy adult products to sell, if something better was available, it would create competition, which they don't want to do, they choose to keep those 2 market separated cause they can do crappy adult products, people that needs them won't ever think about complaining about them, they are ashamed that they need these adult diapers, they won't tell everyone they aren't happy with them. But on the other hand, parents that have kids in diapers will clearly scream it on social media and all over the Internet if a product didn't work properly for their kids/babies/toddlers. So its why products designed for babies/toddlers and kids are far much better compared to adult products, on the adult products, they could improve them, but they choose not too since no one ever complains about them, and even if all the AB/DL community started to complain, they wouldn't represent more than 1% of the ones that use the products, so they won't do anything even if we try to tell them about their crappy adult products.

They say that money talks, so if you don't like the way a company makes a product, don't buy it. When the companies profits start going down, they'll have to adapt to the customer demands or risk going out of buisiness.

SorcerorElf said:

They say that money talks, so if you don't like the way a company makes a product, don't buy it. When the companies profits start going down, they'll have to adapt to the customer demands or risk going out of buisiness.

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Kimberly-Clark and Proctor and Gamble are both such large companies that with such large margins on their products that it is next to impossible to have an impact. Even if every person over 18 that used their products voiced their opinion and didn't buy their products it would only be a drop in the bucket. Your options realistically are take it or leave it. K-C and P&G aren't going to care or notice.

okmis said:

Kimberly-Clark and Proctor and Gamble are both such large companies that with such large margins on their products that it is next to impossible to have an impact. Even if every person over 18 that used their products voiced their opinion and didn't buy their products it would only be a drop in the bucket. Your options realistically are take it or leave it. K-C and P&G aren't going to care or notice.

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Except if you are a parent of a baby/toddler/kid in diapers, then, suddenly they are more open to discussion and they want to improve their products if enough parents complain about their products, they do improve them for sure. But for adult incontinence products, they don't give a damn since 99,9% of people that use them wouldn't complain like I said, they are ashamed to have to use them, they won't voice their opinion anywhere about them for sure. Parents of kids on the other hand won't hesitate.

Plus, if their products are bad enough, another company is going to step in and start taking their market share. I've heard that's the case with some ICs who are getting their diapers from ABDL companies since the latter actually care about quality. For P&G and Kimberly Clark, it would probably be cloth diapers or companies like Homest diapers. No company is too big to fail.

okmis said:

Kimberly-Clark and Proctor and Gamble are both such large companies that with such large margins on their products that it is next to impossible to have an impact. Even if every person over 18 that used their products voiced their opinion and didn't buy their products it would only be a drop in the bucket. Your options realistically are take it or leave it. K-C and P&G aren't going to care or notice.

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I do not want P&G or KCC to improve their baby and kids products for adults, especially ABDL's. But I do want them to make improvements for babies and kids, and not just cute designs.

SorcerorElf said:

Plus, if their products are bad enough, another company is going to step in and start taking their market share. For P&G and Kimberly Clark, it would probably be cloth diapers or companies like Homest diapers. No company is too big to fail.

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P&G and K-C obviously have a million other products besides diapers, even if a great deal of people bought something else instead it is just a drop in the bucket because they make tons of money on every other product they sell. If P&G and K-C only made diapers then that would be a different story. Also P&G and K-C will get their products placed in all the big retailers in every country they distribute their products to, so even if they had the worst product they would still get into all the big stores in prime locations on the shelves and still sell a lot of diapers by default.