Thoughts on cub porn?

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'Cub porn' is a subject that I'm pretty ignorant on, so I wanted to know what you guys think about it.

Is it just another form of pedophilia that should be banned?
Is there a clear distinction between pedophiles and those who create or look at cub porn?
Is cub porn prevalent?
 
This is a pretty delicate topic but I think I'll weigh my thoughts in on this.

1. No it absolutely shouldn't be banned from it's appropriate places. Fictional Anthropromorphic underage characters are just that, fictional. Just because someone likes something that is fictional doesn't mean they're immediately going to make that leap from enjoying something purely fictional to acting it out in a real life scenario.

2.There is a very clear distinction in my personal opinion. Attraction to Fictional Anthropromorphic underage characters, is not in anyway shape or form Pedophilia. This is an unpopular opinion but these characters are purely fictional and do not exist, therefore there is no pedophilia. Creating an environment where people can safely partake in this particular fetish is a good thing so long as it never crosses into the realms of reality.

3. Yes it is.
 
It's disgusting and shouldn't be allowed at all.
 
SnowBlitz said:
This is a pretty delicate topic but I think I'll weigh my thoughts in on this.

1. No it absolutely shouldn't be banned from it's appropriate places. Fictional Anthropromorphic underage characters are just that, fictional. Just because someone likes something that is fictional doesn't mean they're immediately going to make that leap from enjoying something purely fictional to acting it out in a real life scenario.

2.There is a very clear distinction in my personal opinion. Attraction to Fictional Anthropromorphic underage characters, is not in anyway shape or form Pedophilia. This is an unpopular opinion but these characters are purely fictional and do not exist, therefore there is no pedophilia. Creating an environment where people can safely partake in this particular fetish is a good thing so long as it never crosses into the realms of reality.

3. Yes it is.
Let me change the questions:

Currently, porn depicting cartoon children being sexually abused is illegal in most developed countries. Since cub porn is quite similar, the only difference being the anthropromorphic aspect, do you think cartoon child porn should be legal as well?

Does the fact that cub porn is anthro'd make it acceptable? Why?
 
Cereal said:
It's disgusting and shouldn't be allowed at all.

Why so? Simply because you don't like it?


Proeba said:
Let me change the questions:

Currently, porn depicting cartoon children being sexually abused is illegal in most developed countries. Since cub porn is quite similar, the only difference being the anthropromorphic aspect, do you think cartoon child porn should be legal as well?

Does the fact that cub porn is anthro'd make it acceptable? Why?

There's a huge disconnect here. Fictional underage characters is NOT "child porn" it's fictional underage characters. Key word there: Fictional. As in they do not exist and cannot exist,

Look at it this way would you rather someone be fapping to something real and awful, or something that's drawn and harms absolutely no one?

Also the fact that it's anthro doesn't make it acceptable or unacceptable. So long as it's completely fictional and has zero basis in reality.
 
Honestly I'd much rather someone fap to cub porn rather than something thats from real life.

Cereal said:
It's disgusting and shouldn't be allowed at all.
By definition your user avatar is technically "Cub Porn" ... Because it features a cub, on a site for a fetish, being shown in a situation that could be considered an ab/dl fetish situation. Fetish = Sexual. Ab/dl = Fetish.

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And before someone quotes it, no, cub porn is not a gateway to people becoming pedophiles, they either are or aren't. That kind of thing is wired in at birth. If you're a sick fuck who likes to look at children then that's that person's problem. They will be dealt with when required. But cub porn is not real, it harms no one, no it won't "Turn you on" to and sort of CP, and its deferentially not illegal. In fact studies have shown that suppressing sexual urges leads -to those who are fucked up- building up until people do do something stupid. Let the people who do cub porn be, they've done nothing to you or anyone else. That's all I have to say about that.
 
You're normalizing pedophilia by creating an alternative space and labeling it okay due to it's fictional nature and that no one is hurt by it's creation. Yet, it creates a medium of access that allows that behavior to start approaching a grey area. Even trying to say it's the safer alternative for pedophiles to act on urges without acting on them in real life is flimsy at best. It's just creating a format for the behavior to gain a somewhat acceptable momentum with the excuse it's fictional.

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To even claim that not all those who flock to cub porn aren't pedophiles is also a grey area. The content is the sexualization of underage depictions, whether fictional or not.
 
Cereal said:
You're normalizing pedophilia by creating an alternative space and labeling it okay due to it's fictional nature and that no one is hurt by it's creation. Yet, it creates a medium of access that allows that behavior to start approaching a grey area. Even trying to say it's the safer alternative for pedophiles to act on urges without acting on them in real life is flimsy at best. It's just creating a format for the behavior to gain a somewhat acceptable momentum with the excuse it's fictional.

Pedophiles are going to be pedophiles weather you want them to be or not. That's just how they are, wired from birth. It's the same as being gay or straight, you're that way from birth. You don't change your preferences. It's just how you are. No amount of looking at things is going to "Convert" you into liking something like pedophilic material. In fact the mere suggestion that you think that's how it works suggests to me that you're worried on some level of yourself being exposed to pedophilic material and end up LIKING it. Your argument is kind of invalid because it makes no sense. You're using the foundation of the argument for the war on drugs, like "Marijuana is a gateway drug" and "Cigarettes lead to crack" Which as we all know is bullshit. Stop peddling bullshit. I realize that my opinion is probably not going to be enjoyed by many people here but honestly at this point. . . I don't feel bad for sharing my opinion.


Edit*: I also love how you conveniently ignored the statement about your avatar too. Great debating you have going on there by directly addressing the opposing views arguments. *Sarcasm*

Edit* #2: I also love how many people enter into debates without even considering the view of the opposing argument. To debate civilized and like adults one is to be able to respect the opposing view even if they don't agree with it. A topic like this does not deal in absolutes, no conversation about opinions deals in absolutes. If one is not capable of respecting the other opinion then they should not be present.
 
You misunderstand the post by comparing it, but hey. I won't defend pedophiles. My two cents. I'm oooooout
 
Cereal said:
You misunderstand the post by comparing it, but hey. I won't defend pedophiles. My two cents. I'm oooooout

No one's defending pedophiles here, not sure what you're talking about. If you can't see things from the other perspective, why bother debating at all?

Reification Fallacy
 
Does anyone here have any knowledge on law regarding sexual representations of cartoon/animated minors? It might vary between countries, though I would assume that it's broadly similar in developed countries.

I'm curious as to whether it's legal, illegal or just grey area. Knowing about its legality for humans would help to make a decision for anthros.
 
AddyShadows said:
Honestly I'd much rather someone fap to cub porn rather than something thats from real life.


By definition your user avatar is technically "Cub Porn" ... Because it features a cub, on a site for a fetish, being shown in a situation that could be considered an ab/dl fetish situation. Fetish = Sexual. Ab/dl = Fetish.

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And before someone quotes it, no, cub porn is not a gateway to people becoming pedophiles, they either are or aren't. That kind of thing is wired in at birth. If you're a sick fuck who likes to look at children then that's that person's problem. They will be dealt with when required. But cub porn is not real, it harms no one, no it won't "Turn you on" to and sort of CP, and its deferentially not illegal. In fact studies have shown that suppressing sexual urges leads -to those who are fucked up- building up until people do do something stupid. Let the people who do cub porn be, they've done nothing to you or anyone else. That's all I have to say about that.

WRONG. Fetish equals sexual, yes. However, abdl does NOT equal sexual. Do you even know what love is, or how babies act?

This right here is a big part of why we are so misunderstood and often thought of as pedophiles ourselves. Obviously this is not correct and needs to be pointed out every time we are misrepresented like this.
 
So you would then argue that ALL furry porn should be banned here in Sweden then? Because bestiality/sex with animals is illegal here.


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I am not going t weigh in on whats allready being debated , i will make a simple point that a pedophile and pedophilia is actualy a legal designation once a person who has been caught and judged the first time ,its actually as useless as saying committing suicide , you harm yourself or die by suicide ,committing suicide was a legal term from back in the dark ages when it was against the law (we have evolved from that's bad put them in jail to what's really more correctly dealt with by offering them help with whatever in there life they felt so out of control with) so technically no matter your thoughts on cub porn / kiddie porn etc , there are probably a billion people in the world who at some point thought of sex with a minor / cub who dont act on it ,its the ones that do and are convicted at least and god knows hopefully only once that are predicate felons and pedophiles . ABDL is frowned upon but not illegal ,you can go to a mental health proffessional and talk about if you feel it's holding you back in life whereas child abuse be it physical,mental or sexual can be discussed with a proffessional once before being arrested because of mandatory reporting laws , personaly I would prefer a person abusing a child in any way not be jailed immediately for asking for help in stopping the behavior but we have not evolved to that point yet , reaching out for help in stopping what you are or have done should not be a go directly to jail card, I was an abused child in every way physically & mentaly by my father and sexually from a school bus driver I still remember his name and the look on his face when he was convicted and sentenced to a minimum of 5 years, i hold no ill will towards the man but i am not fooling myself with the thought that i was the only one, or that prison was going to change anything in a positive way , prison is punishment, long ago rehabilitation was removed as an option because it costs money, most people who go to prison learn to be better criminals and are mentaly ill from the time there , it's very few people who emerge and put there past behind them because society never lets them of helps them .

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ShortGuy said:
So you would then argue that ALL furry porn should be banned here in Sweden then? Because bestiality/sex with animals is illegal here.

That's an incorrect analogy.

Bestiality (like pedophillia) is wrong because one party is incapable of giving consent on equal terms.

Furry porn (anthro or not) imagines animals having human minds, and are therefore capable of giving consent on equal terms.

Cubs on the other hand do not have fully developed minds, sense of self, and are not independent, therefore they cannot consent on equal terms.
 
I feel like this one is gonna get "out of hand" eventually and get shut down.

Anyway, I watch furry porn but only if they're all adults. Either animated gay furries or a guy in a pursuit doing "the act" with another. But let's not discuss this any further.
 
Slomo said:
WRONG. Fetish equals sexual, yes. However, abdl does NOT equal sexual. Do you even know what love is, or how babies act?

This right here is a big part of why we are so misunderstood and often thought of as pedophiles ourselves. Obviously this is not correct and needs to be pointed out every time we are misrepresented like this.

. . . AB/DL is a fetish. Weather or not you get sexual gratification out of it or not is irrelevant. Your personal opinion that its "not" a fetish is also irrelevant because it is a fetish. Also what does love have to do with this?


fetish
/ˈfɛtɪʃ; ˈfiːtɪʃ/
noun
1.
something, esp an inanimate object, that is believed in certain cultures to be the embodiment or habitation of a spirit or magical powers
2.

a form of behaviour involving fetishism
any object that is involved in fetishism

3.
any object, activity, etc, to which one is excessively or irrationally devoted: to make a fetish of cleanliness


Ab/dl sounds like 3 to me.

Regardless, I can see why you would think it's not a fetish. We would all very much like to say that ab/dl is not a fetish. But, the statement in itself. Adult Baby Diaper Lover

I am a little. Do I get sexual gratification out of being a little? No, I do not. It's still a fetish.

Ab/dl = Fetish
Fetish = Sexual

Weather or not you get gratification out of it or not is not the point. By definition ab/dl is a fetish. Does this mean all fetishes are sexual? Not directly no. But you can still link it. Does Fetish automatically equal bad? No, it does not.

Fetish does not = Bad.

That would label every single person in the world a bad person because everyone has a fetish in some form or another.

The problem you have is the fact that most people associate ab/dl with pedophilia, NOT sexual things. The fact that its sexual has no influence on the opinion of people who are linking it to pedophilia. It's just like people who think petplay and ponyplay is bestiality, or bdsm is whatever the hell 50 shades of grey is, even though we all know its not. It's not the association with sexual that hurts us here, it's the false association of people OUTSIDE of the fetish who are arrogant and are looking to cause trouble by saying its pedophilic. Facts are facts. You can't argue with facts lest you try to look like an opinionated asshole. (Which we know you aren't so yeah. It would be unbecoming.)

Trying to say that my statement is false, only proves to those arrogant people that there is basis in the pedophilic link to ab/dl. Because it looks like we have something to hide. We look defensive and we shouldn't be. We have nothing to hide. Ab/dl has absolutely nothing to do with children and should not be depicted that way. However it is the narrow minded views of a select few people who have loud voices and the biased media in the world these days that would paint a pedophilic target on our fetish. We are not pedophiles, we know this, most other people know this. What does the opinion of a soccer mom who drives a mercedes G wagon in LA with a blog have to do with this? Absolutely nothing. Fuck that person, their biased narrow minded opinion thinking that we're all pedophiles is not something we should even dignify by discussing.

And again, I would like to now publicly state that this thread is a ticking time bomb and should have some sort of moderator intervention before it goes off the rails. I only hope that we can all conduct ourselves like civilized adults before inevitably someone is going to come in here with a butt hurt opinion that sets this topic aflame. I would like to request that everyone who is currently in this thread take a moment to think before typing and try to remain objective before this thread devolves into hate. We're all adults here, we're all civilized, we can have this debate without yelling at each other or throwing around accusations.
 
Here's my poorly thought out take on this. Isn't this sort of like watching Alvin and the chipmunks have sex, or Huey, Dewey and Louie getting it on? Should anyone really care? I would just be amused. In fact, I have seen it on Robot Chicken and that shows nationwide. And yeah, I shamelessly laughed.
 
dogboy said:
Here's my poorly thought out take on this. Isn't this sort of like watching Alvin and the chipmunks have sex, or Huey, Dewey and Louie getting it on? Should anyone really care? I would just be amused. In fact, I have seen it on Robot Chicken and that shows nationwide. And yeah, I shamelessly laughed.

Well you're certainly not wrong. In a very generalized sense that's exactly what it is.
 
Closing because this is likely to get quite heated and because even if we where to allow a thread like this it would be in mature forum, not here.
 
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