normalizing incontinence to eliminating the stigma

ST50 said:

I think it is slowly happening I mean 10 years ago you would never have seen incontinence products advertised on the TV. It doesn't seem such a big deal as it did.

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Did you miss all the June Alyson and you've got a lot of living to do commercials by depend , sure they are not the Brenda Vaccaro tampon commercials familiar from the 70's but they are out there , I would like to see our diapers advertised in more places then just Readers digest .

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Those depend comparisons to other brands was pretty funny they must wish those commercials never existed because that is depends current reality , collapsing protection that leaks .

I couldn't agree more. A big part of why I even have a Twitter account is just devoted to that.

Nobody said it would be easy. I've been "functionately " incontinent for over 2 decade. A bit easier now than then before but still difficult. I really do think it's easier to shame others into acceptance than it used to be, mostly because most people have a family member or friend that falls into this category. I personally know 3 people who experience some level of incontinence. Some of us experience (notice I never say suffer) a more serious form of incontinence. We all deal with it in our way. I need to wear fairly heavy protection, but that makes me no more or less affected. I feel that regardless of type or severity, it's our cross to bear. So i mess my pants regularly. I'm not in a wheel chair (special condolences to them ) but the fact that most of us are ambulatory should make it more mainstream. That's not to say somebody in a wheelchair is any less affected by incontinence issues. Lord knows they are. Perhaps more so. But I firmly believe that it comes down to the individual. How high we hold our heads and how comfortable we are with a very common condition. I know for a fact that people have noticed I'm wearing a diaper, despite my efforts to disguise the fact. I can say with confidence that few notice or care. Incidently, I've noticed that they are usually the more mature types among us.

Gradually becoming more accepted - perhaps the massive reduction in public toilets has led to more people wearing so they do not pee their pants when they are out

I find it telling that I can find more suitable and helpful products from the ABDL world than from mainstream manufacturers of diapers (or their sellers). In trying to be 'normal' (or is that the point here - it shouldn't matter) I really struggle.

Need some t-shirts to cover your diaper and wear under jeans? Good luck finding anything more than white vest tops that are still a bit see through. Meanwhile Abu for example do diaper suits (not a term I would rather use but nevertheless) they come in some standard colours, pass as t-shirts under clothes, and are well made.

Last lot of t-shirts I tried in 'colours', the only option being black or white, came from a disabled clothing supplier. I don't expect to buy things from a national retailer or in a shopping centre but even online everything is dedicated to the 'care' market or those with 'disabilities' not young or middle aged adults who aren't bedridden or stuck in a nursing home but who may need suitable reasonably discrete attire to help manage their condition.

Bit of a specific example I know.

Guess another example would be the colour of diapers. I know colours and patterns float a lot of people's boats here and hidden under clothes, sure who knows what's printed on your rear. But why aren't diapers just plain white, grey or black to go unnoticed and be more inconspicuous? I'd jump on some printed diapers that were underwear patterned. Not covered in logos and telltale stripes or sizing and absorbency information ... or on the other side of the spectrum baby rattles and paw prints. Just a normal plain pattern you'd find on regular underwear. Goodnites are aimed at teenagers in design. Tena I think have dipped their toe in the women's and men's pull up world with real style underwear (just no good for heavy leaks and expensive). Be nice if there was a fashion brand for diapers maybe. One with no stigmatism. And that considered I don't want my bum labelled "L MAXI TENA". I mean seriously unless you're waiting for a carer to change you and they may be confused having other people to do too why do you need that on the back and front? It's on the packet ... Oh. Nursing homes and such probably need that info so they don't put the wrong products on the wrong people. And so rest my case. What about younger adults not in care?

Closest I've come to premium discretion is Abu Simple if I'm honest. I don't think any mainstream manufacturers do blank diapers.

Some random points here but certainly typifies for me a couple of issues.

thenexus said:

...Goodnites are aimed at teenagers in design...

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I disagree for all the reasons you've listed about adult products. I highly doubt teens want their underpants to be fairies, hearts, helicopters, skateboarders, tinker bell, or superheroes (camouflage might be ok).

Llayden said:

I disagree for all the reasons you've listed about adult products. I highly doubt teens want their underpants to be fairies, hearts, helicopters, skateboarders, tinker bell, or superheroes (camouflage might be ok).

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I have to agree with you there, no matter how decreet I am I just don't like the idea of doodles on diapers, I already don't like that I have to wear them it's even worse when it's full of babyish art -.-
Even as a child the patterns on the youth diapers was something I hated......

Llayden said:

I disagree for all the reasons you've listed about adult products. I highly doubt teens want their underpants to be fairies, hearts, helicopters, skateboarders, tinker bell, or superheroes (camouflage might be ok).

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That may be true, but it does not negate the main point that thenexus is making.

Other and ABU Simple and Dry 24/7, where are the plain white diapers? And at what point will some manufacturer outside of the ABDL world recognizing the need for mainstream clothing that "hides the bulge"? 25 million + adult diaper wearers in America. That is a lot of customers. (And then there is this: diaper companies predict that, by 2020, there will be more adult diapers sold in America than baby diapers.)

Llayden said:

I disagree for all the reasons you've listed about adult products.

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miapeters said:

Even as a child the patterns on the youth diapers was something I hated......

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Sorry guys. I agree with you entirely. I think I just meant that at least there is an attempt (badly) to target different demographics.

kerry said:

Where are the plain white diapers? And at what point will some manufacturer outside of the ABDL world recognizing the need for mainstream clothing that "hides the bulge"?

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This - a million times over.

Would it be too much to get some plain diapers and some clothing that meets the needs of active, otherwise healthy people.

When you think about a diaper most of it is geared towards other people caring for it - the information repeated all over it, the wetness indicators ... I've never used a wetness indicator yet (not saying others might not if you void without knowing) though I find they tend to just change colour because of perspiration more than anything else! The info on it could be shown once, discretely, near the tapes. Crumbs the info is even on the packet I got it from ... I'm not that forgetful!

I'd love it if someone set up a shop online that sold plain, coloured incontinence clothing, perhaps tshirts, jumpers, jerseys, maybe even shirts ... if there was such a thing as a snap crotch that worked for all of the above. Get some licenced designs as options on some of the tshirts too (maybe they stay blank but you can order them to be screenprinted). I dunno. Just feels like there's a huge gap in practical, reasonably fashionable clothing; licensing some drinks/music/movie brands. I can't see why anyone would "back off" from it; it's not perhaps as tricky as trying to licence characters for ABDL wear for example.

Might be going off topic a little now though so apologies

(PS I tried to reply to this twice already and it lost it each time. Boooo).

Maxx said:

Everything my generation does becomes an in thing simply because of our disproportionate numbers. You can thank us for protest marches, long hair, pot, reverse mortgages, viagra, ubiquitous drug commercials, and yes, widespread use and availability of adult diapers now that we're mostly at or approaching 'that age'.

You're welcome.

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No offense but I can't wait till you guys reach that age where pullups aren't enough anymore, and a lot of you need full tapped diapers. Maybe then we'll finally start seeing decent diapers in the stores.....

It's a freaking sin when you can't buy a decent diaper in stores ,but with people willing to settle for pull ups and not putting any pressure on stores to supply what is needed we will continue to pay extra for the privilege of being IC , and dragging cases of diapers around with us because stores don't carry them and running out is not an option .

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thenexus said:

When you think about a diaper most of it is geared towards other people caring for it - the information repeated all over it, the wetness indicators ... I've never used a wetness indicator yet (not saying others might not if you void without knowing) though I find they tend to just change colour because of perspiration more than anything else! The info on it could be shown once, discretely, near the tapes. Crumbs the info is even on the packet I got it from ... I'm not that forgetful!

I'd love it if someone set up a shop online that sold plain, coloured incontinence clothing, perhaps tshirts, jumpers, jerseys, maybe even shirts ... if there was such a thing as a snap crotch that worked for all of the above.

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These are great points. I hate the medical diapers that have all the lines and shit stamped on them. I'm not bedridden and dying here! I'd be buying the ABDL diapers if they weren't so ridiculously expensive and I would love to see some shirts, shorts and pants that were styled for diaper wearers. The problem here is one that's been rehashed many times on this forum. Active incontinent people (hell active people in general) who are middle-aged or younger are a small part of the market, as is the strictly ABDL crowd. Big corporations tend to go toward the higher demand, which is the elderly, hospital and nursing home markets.

I don't use the wetness indicators either because of exactly that even sweat changes them . I buy all my onesies from Kins so I always have either an undershirt or primary shirt that supports my diapers ( her golf/Polo shirts are awesome ) she used to make shorts hut doesn't anymore , I mainly wear "sitter pants" they are higher in the back then the front as I'm in a chair , they also un snap at the sides down to my knees for easy changing , I also buy jeans online that are also geared to us diapered sitters, these are expensive jeans at about $80 ( the sad fact of this is that you add mobility to any product and the price skyrockets ) if kins can turn out a top notch golf shirt for $40 why are pants double that , you guys that can walk definitely have a good deal on clothes , I can't buy off the rack jeans , my normal sitter pants look more like dockers or a casual dress pant, combined with the golf shirt I am business casual .someone really could make a killing with a line of clothes for the needs of diapered people .

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What is BOTOY?

CPDude said:

What is BOTOY?

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I presumed the intention was "botox" but it was a typo. Google searches for "botoy incontinence" prompt "botox".

I think the biggest obstacle to movies and TV shows having incontinent characters is that TV shows and movies rarely address characters even going to the bathroom normally. Books probably have even less instances of characters going to the bathroom. I mean, constipation is something that happens to many people at various times in their lives, but we don't read about a character struggling to pass a bm or see a character on TV or in a movie stuck in a bathroom because they're taking a poo. It's not really a functional character trait or something that adds to a story. Yes, it can be just an off-hand acknowledgement, normalizing incontinence. More often than not, having an incontinent adult character serves to make them seem more "weird" or "dirty" or overall less desirable as a person. I agree that this can be done, and it may do some good, but it may be a long time before any screenwriters or mainstream authors are willing to take up the cause.

Those stories sound a lot like what I'm going for with my sci fi story. The main character is functionally incontinent due to a mental disability that's supposed to be the rarest in the universe and wears diapers to manage it and needs a good level of supervision and care despite being able to pass as fully functional and normal (it works in a weird way unlike anything in our known universe) but that is not the main focus. It is not an ABDL story, but the story of a simple incontinent trans girl turned intergalactic hero as she discovers her true origins and gains a deeper understanding of what makes a personality or consciousness what it is. It seeks to answer the question "are we alone?" It delves into the concept of reincarnation and the multiverse and seeks to understand the nature of black holes beyond our current understanding of them. My story goes into some really deep stuff with an incontinent main character, but again, the condition is not the main focus.

Damn incontinence and struggling for protection for keeping a social life and other type of activities it's quite hard and mostly the products for urinary incontinence are mostly for women.
Unfortunately I wear always discreet underwear because the depend for men are not quite absorbent for bed time, Tena active underwear when I go out for physical activities and Tena stylish underwear with male gards inside of them.
It's very sad coping with incontinence because the urgency of looking for a washroom is holding you back and to accept protective underwear instead of the conventional underwear and then another change in lifestyle.

Diapers are not gender exclusive , nor do they care who wears them for bladder problems , gender assigned diapers were something in children's diapers but not adult , anyone with IC more than a light sprinkle here and there should face reality and put on a diaper , they are designed for the purpose , wearing pull ups is like saying the Titanic would not have sunk if they just had of had someone to put a band aid on the hole.

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