Politically incorrect homophobic observation

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MarchinBunny said:
Differences in languages. The intent is what is important, not the word. If you get offended by the word when you are very well aware it wasn't meant to be offensive and has to do with a difference in language, it means you are taking it to personal.
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Or it means he sits right on the happy little line that used to exist between Asperger's & Autism, and wasn't sure how to take it, so, he went with the way the O.P. took it. How was he supposed to be very well aware?! He has more trouble with that than I do, and that's saying something. We don't do well with differences in language, duh, fact. He is supposed to just sprout neurotypicality, and magically know what the intent of the company was?! He's not Autie to piss you off. That, that right there, is why he usually cops to his ASD every time he posts anything, rather it annoys the absolute tinkle out of those who already know, or not.
 
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SpAzpieSweeTot said:
Or it means he sits right on the happy little line that used to exist between Asperger's & Autism, and wasn't sure how to take it, so, he went with the way the O.P. took it. How was he supposed to be very well aware?! He has more trouble with that than I do, and that's saying something. We don't do well with differences in language, duh, fact. He is supposed to just sprout neurotypicality, and magically know what the intent of the company was?! He's not Autie to piss you off. That, that right there, is why he usually cops to his ASD every time he posts anything, rather it annoys the absolute tinkle out of those who already know, or not.
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Well said. ^^ As someone who myself can be diagnosed as "Aspergian" or not depending on where you decide to draw the line, I get this. The intent of what someone does is vitally important, but it can be easily misread and create unnecessary harm. And it's very easy (to me, at least) to take things too literally. Being from the US, I had never heard the term "Poof" before as a reference to homosexuality. But I was aware that in the UK, "faggots" are a food item. ^^; Misunderstandings always happen, and I think what's most important is how you learn to respond to them and get past them. The key, really, is to not give up and walk away thinking that someone meant to insult or hurt you when they haven't meant to.
 
SpAzpieSweeTot said:
Or it means he sits right on the happy little line that used to exist between Asperger's & Autism, and wasn't sure how to take it, so, he went with the way the O.P. took it. How was he supposed to be very well aware?! He has more trouble with that than I do, and that's saying something. We don't do well with differences in language, duh, fact. He is supposed to just sprout neurotypicality, and magically know what the intent of the company was?! He's not Autie to piss you off. That, that right there, is why he usually cops to his ASD every time he posts anything, rather it annoys the absolute tinkle out of those who already know, or not.
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The thread is talking about it, it's clearly said that it was a difference in language within the next few posts. It's clearly written out for him. Him having asperger's isn't a damned excuse because quite frankly I am high risk for aspergers too ... so what is your damned point? Huh? What is it exactly?

That is exactly the reason why I don't even want to admit I have that damned disorder because everyone who has it uses it as a damned crutch.

Edit: It's called learning and trying to improve yourself. Just because someone has a mental disorder of which I clearly have fucking many. You work toward them because you CAN. You don't jsut give up .. and say fuck it and whatever you do .. just blame it on the disorder and shrug it off.


Edit 2: The reason I said he was very well aware is because the thread spells it out and says so. I assume he knows how to read right? Are you suggesting he didn't read the thread?

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Sapphyre said:
Misunderstandings always happen, and I think what's most important is how you learn to respond to them and get past them. The key, really, is to not give up and walk away thinking that someone meant to insult or hurt you when they haven't meant to.
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That was my fucking point.
 
Point one, I didn't swear at you.

Point two, my point wasn't that you're horrible. I know you aren't. It's that we have to fake it for NTs every time we draw breath, and they don't even bother to think about us at all, and it gets old quickly.
It's this notion of, "Well, you're book smart, so if you don't get this too, it's your fault for not trying harder," when if we tried any harder, we'd be off to the psych ward from burn out.

Point 3, no one deserves to get ripped a new one when making his or her best effort. If you feel like I was, I'm sorry. I guess I just have an instinct to protect one of the few humans on earth I could go into a room with and not feel like I don't belong.

Point 4, maybe not the whole thing, and he's not the only person in history not to, nor is anyone who doesn't read entire threads evil.
 
SpAzpieSweeTot said:
Point one, I didn't swear at you.
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Ya, you are right. I am sorry. I get very ... frustrated when I feel like I am not understood or when I feel like someone took what I said in a bad light when it wasn't meant to be.

Point two, my point wasn't that you're horrible. I know you aren't. It's that we have to fake it for NTs every time we draw breath, and they don't even bother to think about us at all, and it gets old quickly.
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I don't think it's something people purposefully try to do. When you don't have a mental illness that someone else does, it can be very hard to understand it and comprehend the effects it may have on someone. I don't know if that is a good excuse per se, but I do think it's not their fault. Now on the other hand if they are purposfully not even trying to understand, that is a very different story.

It's this notion of, "Well, you're book smart, so if you don't get this too, it's your fault for not trying harder," when if we tried any harder, we'd be off to the psych ward from burn out.
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Keep in mind, my original comment toward him entirely relies on the assumption that he read the thread and knew it had to do with a difference in language. I suppose I should not have assumed he read the entire thread. But if he didn't, then I suppose my comment can just be disregarded. I didn't mean for it be able to be taken as offensive.

Point 3, no one deserves to get ripped a new one when making his or her best effort. If you feel like I was, I'm sorry. I guess I just have an instinct to protect one of the few humans on earth I could go into a room with and not feel like I don't belong.
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It's ok. While I did get frustrated and kind of upset ... it's my fault really.

Point 4, maybe not the whole thing, and he's not the only person in history not to, nor is anyone who doesn't read entire threads evil.
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Yep, as I said, I probably shouldn't have assumed that.
 
MarchinBunny said:
That was my fucking point.
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Woah! Chill out! Seriously, I was only trying to add something that would help others understand things. I'm not attacking you. *hugs* Take it easy, OK?
 
mikejames said:
B) How in hell do you even arrive at this having anything at all to do with homosexuality other than just making it up? "Poof" appears to just be the brand name.
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I'm not making it up. Do a web search for the definition of that word. When I implied that they're making diapers for gay babies... I was pretty sure everyone would realise that I was being obtuse. I mean... How would anyone know if a baby is gay? Can a baby be gay? How would you adapt a diaper so that it was more suitable for a gay baby?!

Maxx said:
It's well known in the U.S. for those of us old enough to be Python fans.
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Heh. I didn't realise the Pythons used that word so much. I wonder how Graham Chapman felt about that -- wasn't he still "in the closet" at that time?

Maxx said:
Side note: I have in fact held the original albatross in my hands courtesy of a backstage visit during an Eric Idle tour.
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Wow. That's so cool! How did you get backstage? Did you know someone? Was it a prize?

Maxx said:
As for the actual topic, it probably refers to the biodegradeable nature of the product. "poof' as in ... magically, instantly gone.
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Interesting... That never occurred to me. I just thought it was because diapers are "poofy"... As in... puffy...

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It's funny. I remember seeing a few gay entertainers on TV in the 80s -- like Julian Clary. Some were pretty funny, and (as a young kid), the nudge-nudge, wink-wink innuendo was outrageous! They were making allusions to being gay (a kind of adult-topic for a kid) and to gay sex (a totally novel concept), and were so mesmerisingly flamboyant.

It was quite a few years later that I became aware that all of these entertainers were, essentially, the same kind of character. I suppose, initially, I subconsciously assumed that that was what all gay men are like. But, as I got older I realised that this was some kind of... pantomime character that "out" gay men were expected to portray on-screen.

It was as if it was socially acceptable to be so outrageously camp that everyone was pre-warned... but there was one gay character to play. And that character had to be so removed from any "real life" traits that they were treated almost like an alien species. And that was considered "progressive"... I suppose it was.

And then... gradually... it was like the whole idea that gay people were real people, living amongst us seemed to take hold... even in the right-wing, formerly gay-bashing tabloids.

It became no longer acceptable for gay people to be trivialised and forced to make fun of their sexuality if they wanted to be on TV.

I never really noticed it at the time... I guess it's hard to see it when you're growing up (and you're not gay so it's not part of your general awareness)...

I remember, when we were in halls at university, someone reaching under a friend's bed and finding a gay porn magazine. My first reaction was, "OMG! How is everyone else going to react?! What should I do?!". Pretty selfish, I guess, to worry more what people would think of me than to consider my friend's feelings... But fortunately everyone laughed and said "it's cool; it makes no difference"... and... I was so relived... and I saw how relieved he was... and realised how wrong it would be to worry more about what people think than to stand up for your friend (even against many other friends).

How much better is it for no one to care?! How much more joyful for everyone to slap each other on the back and shrug it off? Everyone's happy! What could be better than that?!

Since then, a few other friends have "come out" to me -- both male and female. And I almost feel guilty when I say that it makes no difference to anything and I see their relief! I feel like saying, "You don't need my approval!", though I'm really touched that they felt the need to tell me so formally. It's not as if anyone ever confides in a friend that they are heterosexual.

Now, in my fourth decade (*shudder*), finding out whether someone is gay is always a matter of small-talk than any great pronouncement.

We've come a long way, and I love it. What kind of person could ever be morally in favour of persecution and religiously-inspired bigotry? Who would want to hate rather than love?

I dunno... I guess I'm feeling a bit down and it's nice to talk about society has got better over the years. Hoorah! And all that. Now for another beer... *hic*
 
Sapphyre said:
Woah! Chill out! Seriously, I was only trying to add something that would help others understand things. I'm not attacking you. *hugs* Take it easy, OK?
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Ya, sorry. >.<
 
MarchinBunny said:
Ya, sorry. >.<
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No worries, hon. I can get a little carried away myself if I'm not careful. I can get totally annoyed with people and just want to smash them. The trick is to take a step back, and take a breath, and focus more on the kind of person you want to be. That's a better guide for your actions than reacting to feeling angry, insulted, or attacked. Be the person that you want to be, and keep that at the forefront of your mind. It's a lot easier said than done of course. ^^; But I think it's an important goal. It has been for me, anyway.
 
tiny said:
I remember seeing a few gay entertainers on TV in the 80s -- like Julian Clary.
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woah, woah, woah. wait a fecking minute: Julian Clary an entertainer???? where the hell did you get that idea?


only kidding :tongueout:

i can't actually remember 'poof' having any real meaning, other than a bit fem, and it was used only by kids....and people on the telly. 'queer' was the insult, 'poof' was the tease. and if you thought thing's had mellowed, 'dirty queer' is the insult of choice by our muslem brothers (oh, the joys of multi-culturalism).
of course, i was too young to know anything about it all and enjoyed the gaiety of light[in the loafers] entertainment of the 70s and 80s. in fact, i even copied the humour (as in, either fighting or joking your way out of a bad situation). and if anyone here doesn't like that, CHASE ME!!
 
Has anyone tried actually looking at their website and reading the about us link?

It looks like they are in Hawaii, so US English, not UK applies here. I'm bisexual myself and have never heard the term poof referring to gay people. Also, their site specifically states "poof = change".

There is nothing derogatory going in here, and I'm not even sure how catcalling sidetracked this thread but it's a moot point for this topic anyways.
 
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