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    Yes, it's another Trump thread, and why not? It's been awhile since we talked about the Donald and his recent escapades.

    I posted a thread last July asking what draws people into supporting him, and many people replied they liked the fact he isn't establishment, he tells it like it is, and that he would run government like a successful business. At that time, however, even the conservative-minded people here voiced their belief that Trump would only maintain the lead until a more credible, viable alternative came forward, or until the field whittled down and Republicans would rally around one of the established candidates, instead of splitting the vote that allowed Trump to maintain his lead.

    https://www.adisc.org/forum/showthre...f-Donald-Trump

    Well since that time, and much to everyone's surprise, we've seen the mainstream candidates rise and fall; Carson, Fiorina, Rubio, Kasich, none of them capable of mounting a credible campaign to stop the Trump juggernaut.

    So here we are nine months later, and Trump is still the frontrunner. And worse, the only hope that the establishment Republicans have to get rid of Trump is if they can prevent him from getting enough support to have a majority going into the Republican Convention in July.

    It seems that the more outrageous he becomes, the more his support goes up, while being a frontrunner hasn't encouraged him to develop a platform on foreign policy or referring to 9/11 as 7-Eleven (where first responders were apparently putting out a fire in a Slurpee machine!).

    “I do know what to do and I would know how to bring Isil to the table or, beyond that, defeat Isil very quickly. And I’m not gonna tell you what it is".

    "It's very close to my heart because I was down there, and I watched our police and our firemen down at 7-Eleven, down at the World Trade Center."

    You can't make this stuff up.

    I think the primaries have thrown the Republicans into a state of self-implosion. If Trump goes into the Republican Convention with a majority and becomes the Republican candidate, a lot of conservatives will likely just stay home on election day rather than vote, meaning the Democrats will win. If he doesn't secure the majority and the party elects another candidate, then Trump's supporters won't rally behind the party's choice and stay home, meaning the Democrats will win. If Trump mounts an independent campaign, the vote splitting will allow the Democrats to win. I think the turmoil in the Republican party will need a good decade of analysis and introspection before it can unite together.


    As the race continues, it's becoming clear that Trump is appealing to conservative white men, and continuing his attack on women. Rather than debate policy around health care and equal pay, Trump continues his sexist attacks against Clinton and her supporters, accusing her of "playing the woman card." Not content to stop there, he later stated that Clinton would not even be a contender if she were a man.. He stated to Vox's Liz Plank "The only thing she's got going is the women's card,, she's got nothing else going. And frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don't think she'd get 5 percent of the vote."

    Right! Like being a woman and playing the woman's card is guaranteed to win an election in a country that ranks 95th in terms of female political participation, and has elected zero women presidents in its history. What woman wouldn't want to play the woman's card? It means getting paid less, paying more for personal hygiene products than men, being perceived more negatively than men when being assertive, and having their body parts and choice of clothing subjected to scrutiny when discussing policy. Accusing Clinton playing the woman's card makes about as much sense as 'playing the transgender card' while running for political office in North Carolina!. I think women of all political parties can relate to the sexism Clinton faces. Trump would do well to remember that when he accuses Clinton of playing 'the woman card' he is accusing her of playing 'the half the population' card!


    Honestly, I just haven't seen him identify any policies, perspectives or vision for the country, other than self absorbed narcissism and self promotion. What is it about this guy that taps into the current of credulity? The betrayals of the voters by the Republican establishment,, year after year, no doubt contributed to this, but why this particular candidate as the 'anti-establishment' candidate? His headstrong stubbornness and shallowness makes him a dangerous man to have in the White House, with enemies around the world on the rise, and developing missiles that can deliver nuclear bombs. Just the thought of Trump having the power to appoint justices to the Supreme Court, who will have lifetime tenure and make decisions for decades to come should sober up people taken in by rhetoric.

    A mixed bag of inflammatory rhetoric and political positions, none of which indicate any serious thought pertaining to complex issues, is not a principle. Nor is boasting or cheering for himself. I just don't get it.
    Last edited by Starrunner; 01-May-2016 at 23:08.

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    The problem is that he is saying what the "Joe Six pack" mainstream population thinks.

    The dangerous part is that if he does this in office the outcomes could be problematic.

    I did "support him" at first because I thought he would cause change in the "Status Quo" political arena.

    The whole problem now is that it has yet again turned into an election of two choices Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dumb.

    If things go the way they look right now the choice will be someone that has a track record of mishandling classified documents and doing nothing when the time is critical, or someone that is going to piss the world off and probably start something he will not finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by egor View Post
    The problem is that he is saying what the "Joe Six pack" mainstream population thinks.

    The dangerous part is that if he does this in office the outcomes could be problematic.

    I did "support him" at first because I thought he would cause change in the "Status Quo" political arena.

    The whole problem now is that it has yet again turned into an election of two choices Twiddle dumb and Twiddle dumber

    If things go the way they look right now the choice will be someone that has a track record of mishandling classified documents and doing nothing when the time is critical, or someone that is going to piss the world off and probably start something he will not finish.
    I'm so glad I'm British

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starrunner View Post
    A mixed bag of inflammatory rhetoric and political positions, none of which indicate any serious thought pertaining to complex issues, is not a principle. Nor is boasting or cheering for himself. I just don't get it.
    The easiest way to understand his appeal is to simply acknowledge that a certain percentage of the American population are just so disillusioned with conventional politics that they desire to send a giant "f*** you!" to the entire political establishment, no matter what the consequences may be. It's hardly restricted to the US political right - Bernie Sanders is an unrepentant Socialist, yet he's apparently just as serious a candidate. You could regard it as a form of political nihilism - it doesn't matter that they aren't "serious" candidates, they aren't "establishment" candidates.

    Alternatively, there's a certain percentage of the population who simply don't acknowledge that political issues can ever be "complex", and are thus drawn to someone who promises "simple" solutions.

    Or perhaps the worst situation of all - the point of "Elective Monarchy" has finally been reached, and there are far too many people out there who regard the President as the focal point, and agent of the realisation, of all their hopes and dreams, regardless of his/her actual constitutional role. Cue Maxx screaming in horror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akastus View Post
    Or perhaps the worst situation of all - the point of "Elective Monarchy" has finally been reached, and there are far too many people out there who regard the President as the focal point, and agent of the realisation, of all their hopes and dreams, regardless of his/her actual constitutional role. Cue Maxx screaming in horror.
    Actually ever since Maxx pointed out to me what the Constitution says, I actually no longer think it's all that great of a document like a lot of Americans like to make it to be. There are a lot of things that I feel could and should be changed. Although that, is just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brabbit1987 View Post
    Actually ever since Maxx pointed out to me what the Constitution says
    Which part are you referring to? I'm assuming you aren't talking about the preamble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEsahaettr View Post
    Which part are you referring to? I'm assuming you aren't talking about the preamble.
    Well I have not read the entire thing, so there is no way I could know each thing I disagree with.
    But mainly the parts of what the president's job should and shouldn't be. I also am not a big fan of how the states have a lot of their own control over many aspects of what is and isn't available / allowed.

    The constitution is often held to being something great that everyone should uphold, and to some extent I agree, but I don't think it should be considered untouchable. If we find a problem or something that could be better ... then we should make those changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parcelboy2 View Post
    I'm so glad I'm British
    Don't be too glad. We've got our own fair shair of crazy in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akastus View Post
    The easiest way to understand his appeal is to simply acknowledge that a certain percentage of the American population are just so disillusioned with conventional politics that they desire to send a giant "f*** you!" to the entire political establishment, no matter what the consequences may be. It's hardly restricted to the US political right - Bernie Sanders is an unrepentant Socialist, yet he's a apparently just as serious a candidate. You could regard it as a form of political nihilism - it doesn't matter that they aren't "serious" candidates, they aren't "establishment" candidates.

    Alternatively, there's a certain percentage of the population who simply don't acknowledge that political issues can ever be "complex", and are thus drawn to someone who promises "simple" solutions.

    Or perhaps the worst situation of all - the point of "Elective Monarchy" has finally been reached, and there are far too many people out there who regard the President as the focal point, and agent of the realisation, of all their hopes and dreams, regardless of his/her actual constitutional role. Cue Maxx screaming in horror.
    Back in 1932, Adolf Hitler was the big "Fuck You!" to the conservative political establishment in Germany.
    Donald Trump is this generation's "Fuck You!" political candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brabbit1987 View Post
    The constitution is often held to being something great that everyone should uphold, and to some extent I agree, but I don't think it should be considered untouchable. If we find a problem or something that could be better ... then we should make those changes.
    That's the nice thing about the Constitution though. That it has a mechanism for amendment both enhances it being a living document and has the clear implication that as a document it's imperfect and over time needs to be improved as to stay useful and relevant.

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