They are reminiscent of orchids though... aren't they? Well, at least some Orchids produce the vanilla bean (have I lost my mind?)... never thought of a connection between the two, prior to now though... :chin: Anyway, please know... I/we don't expect perfection... most of us are acutely aware of the human proclivities and upsets... If you're living and learning... you're doing it right... I do have a bias of sorts that relates to a particular fondness of you, I can't entirely explain (I shall hope you don't require an explanation)... anyway, I'm regarded as pretty intuitive... I believe that you are a kindred spirit... I would only ask that you don't bar yourself, anymore than you'd have any of us bared... Si? -Marka