Do you believe in capital punishment and/or abortion

[WBDaddy]

im sorry that i morally oppose the killing of an innocent life

You don't need to be sorry that you oppose it.

You need to be sorry for arrogantly assuming that your religious convictions should somehow define society.

Your religious convictions gave us the Salem Witch Trials, the Spanish Inquisition, and a host of other horrifying abuses of human rights. It's well past time for Christians to do like your leader told you and SHUT THE F*** UP (Mark 12:17) while the REST of us decide how to run things WITHOUT your input for a while.

[redsox]

You don't need to be sorry that you oppose it.

You need to be sorry for arrogantly assuming that your religious convictions should somehow define society.

Your religious convictions gave us the Salem Witch Trials, the Spanish Inquisition, and a host of other horrifying abuses of human rights. It's well past time for Christians to do like your leader told you and SHUT THE F*** UP (Mark 12:17) while the REST of us decide how to run things WITHOUT your input for a while.

was being sarcastic when i said sorry. sorry thought that was obvious to everyone. but anyway, abortion isnt about religion. i know people who arent religious who are against abortion. so its not just christians who are defending life and this thread has nothing to do with religion anyway so you can go spread your hate for christians somewhere else.

[MilesPrower]

Eh, I think the correct term for agreeing with abortion is "Pro-Choice"

To keep it short and simple, I can understand the concept of capital punishment, but it simply isn't feasible. While some of us long for the retributive justice system we once had (eye for an eye, etc.), the main reason why less than ten states participate in using capital punishment is because it's not economically sound. It slows the system down, and they end up spending way more time in prison for what they've done. The only thing that's really moving are our tax dollars being sunk into their meals and living conditions. However, it would be hard to come to both an ethical and efficient solution to the matter of capital punishment, for it would be quite ethically unsettling for prison guards to randomly shoot prisoners.

[BandNerd]

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In regards to abortion, I guess I'm commiting a genocide bigger than the Armenian Genocide, The Holocaust, Rwanda, Bosnia, the Iraqi-Kurdish conflict, and Darfur combined whenever I masturbate, because the average male sperm count is 50 to 150 million sperm cells/unborn children that I brutally murder whenever I tug the tube steak.

I'm also preventing prostate cancer.

Since I am pro-choice, I not only believe that you should choose to be able to have an abortion, but you should also be able to choose not to have one if it conflicts with your morals or beliefs. However, as WBDaddy said, you should not enforce your beliefs on others. It's their zygote/embryo/fetus. Not yours.

[WBDaddy]

Capital punishment is fair, IMO. An eye for an eye. But then, at the same time, death is too easy of an escape. If somebody murders someone, they deserve to rot in prison. Death is the easy way out.

Yeah, except law enforcement should be about two things - alleviating the problem and rehabilitating the offender. Capital punishment falls under the former, because the latter is no longer possible with the given subject.

[the0silent0alchemist]

Redsox kinda answered this, and he is right. The eggs in the supermarket were never a potential chicken, because they were never fertilized by a Rooster's sperm. As for garlic, are you serious? A plant bulb the same as a human zygote?


ALMOST as though in never existed... ...but yet it DID exist! For however short of time, it did exist, and it did have an experience of the world, which you, in your superiority say, you had the right to end... or at least you would have if you were a woman.


I want you to talk to my sister and explain this to her. She had a stillbirth of a child that was just a few months along. Please tell her that you can't miss something you never had or even knew! Especially after she mourned that child for months and even went into depression. No matter the fact that she already had 3 healthy kids. It hurt her just the same as if he/she had been born alive and then passed, and it severely hurt me to watch her hurt like that, not to mention my own grief in losing a niece/nephew. By the way, she did go on to have a 4th child, and all are healthy and range from age 4 to 12, but I know that the one she lost STILL weighs heavily on her mind.



Wait!? Taking into account the sentence I just answered, then just how do you think it effects the mother emotionally? Isn't the emotional part because she just lost a child she 'never had or even knew of in the first place'?

i say well played regarding the chickens egg, im a biologist but ill be honest the birds reproductive system is something i learned in classes ages ago.
i guess it makes sense a hen can make eggs without being fertilized, a girl does the samething, except we call ours menustration

yes, and if it was a stillbirth, and that she was upset over losing it, implies that she wanted it to go full term but it didnt for whatever reason, i dont claim to know the full situation with your sister, so if ive missed a point... oh well...

an abortion implies, generally that you dont want the thing and that perevious attempts to not have another child, morningafter pills, condoms etc have somehow failed.

but even a women who doesnt care about children will probably find the phyical effects of the aortion strenuous, and contraception is , for the most part, the preferred method of not having more children.


and i was talking about the childs feelings. not the mothers. i was responding to the statement about 'imagine if you had been aborted' etc
well if i was aborted i wouldnt be here to ponder whether id like to be aborted or not.

how the mother feels about going through with the procedre is a completely different kettle of fish.

some might regret it, some might not care. some might reconsider whether to abort or not.
to me, its about having the option if you want it.

[BabyJessi]

Another point, at least for Americans about abortion. It may be Unconstitutional. Doesn't the Declaration of Independence of the United States say that all Americans have the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

[AEsahaettr]

uhh yeah it is. think about it, right now you are just a sperm that fertilized an egg

And a heart, and a liver, and a mind, and legs, and hair, and elbows, and eyes, and skin, and arteries, and lymph nodes, and a large intestine, and fingers, and a nose, and a penis (my case, at least), and a spleen, and bones, and veins, and a small intestine, and nails, and knees, and a navel, and toes, and...

[BandNerd]

Another point, at least for Americans about abortion. It may be Unconstitutional. Doesn't the Declaration of Independence of the United States say that all Americans have the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Nobody is an American citizen until they are born. For example, if a child is conceived in America, but is born in Canada, they would be (de facto) a Canadian citizen. Just because you disagree with abortion doesn't mean you should stop others from having the choice.

[AEsahaettr]

Another point, at least for Americans about abortion. It may be Unconstitutional. Doesn't the Declaration of Independence of the United States say that all Americans have the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Yes.

However, citizenship isn't conferred until birth.

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im sorry that i morally oppose the killing of an innocent life

People who believe women should have the right to an abortion also oppose killing innocent lives. Stop making a strawman argument. You're better than that.